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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8192
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    gifted wrote: »
    Hopefully 4th time lucky for them to get it right but I doubt it. Construction are putting them under fierce pressure.
    The government has nowhere to go, they've no choice. They can't relax measures if case numbers are rising.

    It's tough on the construction sector. The problem is that the stubbornly high figures are coming from somewhere, and that's what's tying the government's hands.


  • #8193
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Lots of people are just ignoring the restrictions now :/

    Thus extending the restrictions.


  • #8194
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    darced wrote: »
    I'm in Donegal and can confirm no one is sticking to restrictions anymore, myself included.

    Any wonder we're getting nowhere then?

    The rest of the country thanks you for your service. :rolleyes:


  • #8195
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,412 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    I see they're now on about a "9% increase in case numbers week-on-week"

    How come they weren't using this metric for the last few weeks when it was reducing?

    And they wonder why people appear to have stopped listening

    I don't know who you are referring to but it was always mentioned in press releases and briefings when there was a percentage decrease week on week.


  • #8196
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Elessar wrote: »
    I'd say this latest increase is more the Paddy's day get togethers getting tested.

    What people (and hopefully government) need to understand is that many of the most vulnerable are vaccinated, at least those who accounted for the most deaths. So increases going forward should not have the same increase in hospitalisations and deaths.

    They won't though.

    We are not even close to having enough people vaccinated to be at that point, and we won't reach that until June.


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  • #8197
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    And there you have it, that's why.

    A country full of selfish ****ing morons. The only thing that will allow the country to open is the vaccines.
    But not till at least June! That's over 3 months.


  • #8198
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,970 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government has nowhere to go, they've no choice. They can't relax measures if case numbers are rising.

    It's tough on the construction sector. The problem is that the stubbornly high figures are coming from somewhere, and that's what's tying the government's hands.

    Yeah they're just going to keep doing the same thing instead. Absolutely ridiculous situation. Either put in place additional measures to reduce the spread to virtually zero or accept a certain level and open up all retail and outdoor sports.


  • #8199
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Elessar wrote: »
    What people (and hopefully government) need to understand is that many of the most vulnerable are vaccinated, at least those who accounted for the most deaths. So increases going forward should not have the same increase in hospitalisations and deaths.

    They won't though.
    True, but we still can't just let it rip through the remainder of the population. We know from evidence elsewhere in the world that if the less vulnerable get infected in large numbers it can still overwhelm the hospitals. That doesn't even take into account the potential large numbers of long-Covid cases which we would see at all ages.


  • #8200
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭gifted


    Curfew time?


  • #8201
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    And there you have it, that's why.

    A country full of selfish ****ing morons. The only thing that will allow the country to open is the vaccines.

    What is selfish about it, it is the failed policy of endless lockdown that has us where we are now. No plan, no common sense no vision.

    A 5K rule only in place because its linked to evictions.

    Construction "closed" while all the builders are off doing nixers instead, mostly on smaller jobs indoors in peoples houses instead of outdoor sites.

    The morons are the ones making the rules and not accepting their mistakes and rectifying them.


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  • #8202
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    Bit optimistic there.don’t you know it’s lockdown 4eva.plenty of money for no one ever to work again.

    I wouldnt be that melodramatic, but agree July is a bit optimistic. If number remain high as they will without a further tightening of restrictions, or climb it is due to schools and they are not shutdown again but let open until their normal summer breaks, then it will take July and August to drive the numbers down. If the vaccine rollout goes more or less to plan, that will help greatly, and we could be back to something like they were hoping to implement from Apr 5th, from early September.


  • #8203
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭UsBus


    Bring in the regional lockdowns again. For the counties that have had less than 5 cases the last while, where is the incentive for them.?, they can't open up or look forward. Seeing other counties with cases rising and no enforcement.

    If you give people nothing to aim for or achieve, then a relaxed attitude is bound to happen. As a resident of a county with very few cases the last while, I don't care about other counties numbers any more. I've done my year of lockdown and it's all been for nothing. I absolutely hate this country now, no hope, no government or future for it..


  • #8204
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    i mean what in the **** did they expect to happen sending the majority of schools back 3 weeks ago, its the only thing they've brought back ffs, Country is run by a bunch of fools


  • #8205
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government has nowhere to go, they've no choice. They can't relax measures if case numbers are rising.

    It's tough on the construction sector. The problem is that the stubbornly high figures are coming from somewhere, and that's what's tying the government's hands.

    Government have backed themselves into a corner alright

    NPHET will totally be apposed to any changes in April


  • #8206
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    I wouldnt be that melodramatic, but agree July is a bit optimistic. If number remain high as they will without a further tightening of restrictions, or climb it is due to schools and they are not shutdown again but let open until their normal summer breaks, then it will take July and August to drive the numbers down. If the vaccine rollout goes more or less to plan, that will help greatly, and we could be back to something like they were hoping to implement from Apr 5th, from early September.

    How can they get any tighter?

    You realise the cases are rising because they haven't eased anything at all to date and people are getting sick and tired?


  • #8207
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government has nowhere to go, they've no choice. They can't relax measures if case numbers are rising.

    It's tough on the construction sector. The problem is that the stubbornly high figures are coming from somewhere, and that's what's tying the government's hands.

    The figures are high because of the increased transmissibility of the new variants. Restriction levels that were appropriate and effective in the past need to be higher now unfortunately, not lower, to control transmission rates.


  • #8208
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    I think she's been misquoted slightly, she mentions low level restrictions being in place for a few years, but the BBC and Sky seem to have taken that to include social distancing. I'm not sure that's what she meant.

    The thing that a previous poster mentioned - international travel - is something we should all be more wary of going forward, even if we were to eradicate covid. There's a chance this was actually a man-made virus - which means that guess what? Nature still owes us one.

    But i imagine people will just go mad booking holidays to make up for the last couple of years. If they can.


  • #8209
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,538 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    11521323 wrote: »
    How can they get any tighter?

    You realise the cases are rising because they haven't eased anything at all to date and people are getting sick and tired?

    except for the one huge bloody obvious sector they reopened


  • #8210
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    i mean what in the **** did they expect to happen sending the majority of schools back 3 weeks ago, its the only thing they've brought back ffs, Country is run by a bunch of fools

    Cases where hovering around 500 with the schools closed for 3 months.

    Schools staying open are the most important sorry.


  • #8211
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Open up Munster


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  • #8212
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hmmm wrote: »
    The government has nowhere to go, they've no choice. They can't relax measures if case numbers are rising.

    It's tough on the construction sector. The problem is that the stubbornly high figures are coming from somewhere, and that's what's tying the government's hands.

    Is there any scope to seriously up our tracing ability? Ridiculous to suggest it this far in but we're clearly not breaking chains very well. We have 350,000 civil servants, surely you could put that resource to better use. Put GDPR to one side for once.


  • #8213
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,200 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    except for the one huge bloody obvious sector they reopened

    So what?

    Do you want to keep everything like schools closed until everyone is vaccinated????


  • #8214
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    The figures are high because of the increased transmissibility of the new variants. Restriction levels that were appropriate and effective in the past need to be higher now unfortunately, not lower, to control transmission rates.

    You can't hammer the public with more restrictions because you'll lose more people who are still adhering to the current ones.

    You need to realize humans have limits.


  • #8215
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    I expect a bit of a spike in the next week following st Patrick's day meetups. If cases stick around the 700-800 mark I don't see any retail opening for months. Anyone else fear the same?


  • #8216
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    11521323 wrote: »
    How can they get any tighter?

    You realise the cases are rising because they haven't eased anything at all to date and people are getting sick and tired?
    Numbers are rising because people are having more contacts, and you think the answer is to relax restrictions so that people can have more contacts?

    It doesn't compute. We're past risk reduction measures now (e.g. encouraging more outdoor activities) because numbers are rising - we should have done that weeks ago, but at the time people were shouting at everyone outside their houses to "stay at home", and people were cheering on the Guards for turning back hikers going for a walk on a mountain.

    We seem to swing between lockdown mania and "open the floodgates".


  • #8217
    Windmill100000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭Windmill100000


    Sorry, double post.


  • #8218
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    The figures are high because of the increased transmissibility of the new variants. Restriction levels that were appropriate and effective in the past need to be higher now unfortunately, not lower, to control transmission rates.

    So what further restrictions do you suggest?


  • #8219
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    If schools are responsible there would be a rise nationally. The rise is only in certain counties.

    The Government is facing collapse the way things are going. No communication, no attempt to trace these outbreaks, no focusing on the actual reasons for the rise in cases. Just “stay at home indefinitely”. More and more people are tuning out every week. They have lost the country and compliance is only lessening.

    A collapse in Government with it being the end of Micheal Martin’s political career is the only realistic way out of this at the minute. And as a bonus it might finish off the Green Party for another 10 years and get that fool out of the Department of Transport


  • #8220
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    hmmm wrote: »
    Numbers are rising because people are having more contacts, and you think the answer is to relax restrictions so that people can have more contacts?

    It doesn't compute. We're past risk reduction measures now (e.g. encouraging more outdoor activities) because numbers are rising - we should have done that weeks ago, but at the time people were shouting at everyone outside their houses to "stay at home", and people were cheering on the Guards for turning back hikers going for a walk on a mountain.

    We seem to swing between this lockdown mania to "right open the floodgates".

    If you give the people something, they'll give you something back. Giving them nothing, you're going to get absolutely nothing back.

    People advocating for more restrictions literally have zero understanding of human nature. It's scary.

    Cases will rise, we need to deal with it. That's living with Covid.


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  • #8221
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Windmill100000 wrote: »
    I expect a bit of a spike in the next week following st Patrick's day meetups. If cases stick around the 700-800 mark I don't see any retail opening for months. Anyone else fear the same?

    I'm now worried we won't see any changes until June, the thing is retail isn't actually dangerous if you can keep a door open to keep fresh air in and are strict about masks and numbers in the shops. But they are still worried about the social aspect and the increased mobility it may bring.


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