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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8102
    ArthurDayne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    Whence this right you speak of ?

    In what way ?

    Hi Natterjack, don’t believe I’ve interacted with you on here before.

    The right to free movement within the State is an unenumerated right under the Irish Constitution — meaning that it is not mentioned explicitly in the Constitution but is nonetheless recognised by the Irish courts as being a constitutional right flowing from Article 40. Unenumerated rights have the same weight as explicit rights in Irish constitutional law. This particular constitutional right was recognised in the very important Irish Supreme Court case of Ryan v Attorney General [1965] 1 I.R. 294. If you google that casename and citation you should be able to find the case — let me know if you can’t find it.

    Like all rights, it is subject to qualifications and must co-exist and be counter-balanced with other rights (such as we are seeing in the Covid crisis, where the imposition of restrictions impinging on the constitutional right to move freely within the State are seen as necessary because of the public health crisis). However, restrictions on rights even for valid or understandable reasons must be proportionate.

    It is this question of proportionality where the debate lies — not in the existence of the constitutional right itself or the fact it is being impinged. There just seem to be one or two posters trying to give a “no big deal” impression about the travel restrictions and I just think this is not a correct or honest basis on which to have the debate about the proportionality of the measures.


  • #8103
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Ease some things. I agree on the resumption of construction and outdoor meetings, 5km out to 20km preferably, but adjusted nonetheless. That's all, other things can come at intervals after that. Cases are going to rise anyway but hospitalisations will be a far better indicator. They really can't rely on people to respect these restrictions until May.

    You didn't hear it from me but all of the above already happening. People won't view it as any relaxation as there are quite a few doing these. Along with outdoor training sessions and non essential shops being 'open'.

    Just seeing the type of traffic on the roads every morning would indicate that construction is back to almost normal levels. Where I am anyway.

    Society will decide how long these restrictions will stay in place, and they are already turning against them through individual behaviours, I mean it's completely impossible to heavily enforce any of these restrictions on a large scale.


  • #8104
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    So making it doubly impossible to have any relaxations of restriction from Apr 5th. The compliant must pay for the sins of the non compliant.

    There isn’t going to be much relaxing of the lockdown because of one man.the most useless Taoiseach we ever had in Martin.nphet knew he’s crap and have him by the short and curlys.


  • #8105
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Locotastic wrote: »
    I haven't met a checkpoint since May and I'm in and out of Dublin 3/4 times a week.

    There’s often one on the quay in Dublin just after Houston station


  • #8106
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Is there many cases in that county?

    There was 30 yesterday, It went crazy just before Christmas, a little before the whole country did


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  • #8107
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Gael23 wrote: »
    There was 30 yesterday, It went crazy just before Christmas, a little before the whole country did

    Interesting, just checked and we've had total of 35 cases in my county over the past fortnight :eek: just shows why there should be differing levels of restrictions regionally, for those who want to follow them anyway.

    In other news, quarantine starting from next week https://www.thejournal.ie/mandatory-quarantine-4-5387798-Mar2021/


  • #8108
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    https://extra.ie/2021/03/21/must-see/taoiseach-is-out-of-touch-say-ministers-as-new-poll-reveals-increasing-number-turning-against-lockdown



    Interesting feedback from the cabinet.

    Just going back to this post from earlier. I can't believe the cabinet haven't discussed or even been in a position to discuss the level of restrictions.
    One of the most important era's in governance, certaianly since the banking crisis and they don't see fit to discuss the evolving situation or how the public compliance is going. And these are the so called leaders of the country, what a shambles.


  • #8109
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Qiaonasen wrote: »
    Quite likely looking at restrictions for the next few years. The more we mix the more likely we get a problematic variant.
    For some context. Historially many virus pandemics have lasted 2-3 years. Others have lasted a decade or two. We just have to wait and see. Either way we just have to get over it. It's an act of nature.

    Also the whole of Europe is only now getting the UK variant so it's gonna be a hell of a summer on the continent.

    A decade or two????!!! Please elaborate!!


  • #8110
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Locotastic wrote: »
    You didn't hear it from me but all of the above already happening. People won't view it as any relaxation as there are quite a few doing these. Along with outdoor training sessions and non essential shops being 'open'.

    Just seeing the type of traffic on the roads every morning would indicate that construction is back to almost normal levels. Where I am anyway.

    Society will decide how long these restrictions will stay in place, and they are already turning against them through individual behaviours, I mean it's completely impossible to heavily enforce any of these restrictions on a large scale.

    Making things official along with a map of indicators on when other changes could occur should steady things a bit. If it only seems to be 3-4 weeks away enough people will resist. The big challenge for government will be when we get the so-called vulnerable done. If that's in May, there will be no holding a lot of people back.


  • #8111
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    2009/2010 I thought was the worst in my life when my mother and two beloved aunts died. Yet I had the great succour of relatives and friends which carried me through. I thought 2015/2016 was a particularly tough one too when a close relative died, I underwent two major surgeries, spent time in ICU, weeks in hospital, had a broken foot and a string of other conveniences as well. Yet again with the great support of friends and relatives I was literally carried through this. However 2020/2021 is, in one way, proving one of my worst ongoing nightmares as I live alone and have had bothersome health issues which didn't get properly addressed because of the Covid scenario, and this time there is no succour as everyone else is in a similar situation. It was initially said "we all in this together" but the fact is we are all in this very much individually.


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  • #8112
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Qiaonasen wrote: »
    Quite likely looking at restrictions for the next few years. The more we mix the more likely we get a problematic variant.
    For some context. Historially many virus pandemics have lasted 2-3 years. Others have lasted a decade or two. We just have to wait and see. Either way we just have to get over it. It's an act of nature.

    Also the whole of Europe is only now getting the UK variant so it's gonna be a hell of a summer on the continent.

    This virus has been around for one year and we've administered 450 million vaccine doses for it already.

    These vaccines are proven to at the very least prevent hospitalisation and death, regardless of the big bad variants.

    So why would this go on for longer than 2 years, nevermind "decades"?


  • #8113
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    This virus has been around for one year and we've administered 450 million vaccine doses for it already.

    These vaccines are proven to at the very least prevent hospitalisation and death, regardless of the big bad variants.

    So why would this go on for longer than 2 years, nevermind "decades"?
    Another UK expert is on the years crusade.

    People may need to wear face coverings and socially distance for several years until we return to normality, a leading epidemiologist has predicted.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56475807


  • #8114
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Another UK expert is on the years crusade.




    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56475807

    I think she's been misquoted slightly, she mentions low level restrictions being in place for a few years, but the BBC and Sky seem to have taken that to include social distancing. I'm not sure that's what she meant.


  • #8115
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    This virus has been around for one year and we've administered 450 million vaccine doses for it already.

    These vaccines are proven to at the very least prevent hospitalisation and death, regardless of the big bad variants.

    So why would this go on for longer than 2 years, nevermind "decades"?

    Look at Israel. Normal life has basically returned. When a high proportion of people in Europe and here are vaccinated the situation will be obviously much different. International travel is a bit more complicated and may take longer.


  • #8116
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    I think she's been misquoted slightly, she mentions low level restrictions being in place for a few years, but the BBC and Sky seem to have taken that to include social distancing. I'm not sure that's what she meant.

    Agreed.

    I'm expecting significant numbers to wear masks in crowded areas (restrictions for a year or two and voluntarily after that) and to have limits on international travel based on variants of concern for 2-5 years. Probably until we are all fully vaccinated with a booster for variants.


  • #8117
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,272 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    360 in hospital

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #8118
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    If we don’t vaccinate 3rd world countries this will be around for years with worse variants than we have now


  • #8119
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Probably because of a backlog, but this must be the highest one day tally in quite a while.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1373689996629135364


  • #8120
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    360 in hospital

    328 yesterday. What happened? I know there's very few discharges over weekend but this is something else.


  • #8121
    redarmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭redarmy


    2 further deaths.

    769 new confirmed cases.


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  • #8122
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,524 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    769 new cases, 2 deaths.

    Not unexpected. Was an under reporting of around 200+ in the last few days


  • #8123
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,169 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    So it’s going up again.


  • #8124
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,339 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Was there any backlog lately? Seems very high compared to recent figures


  • #8125
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,559 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    If we don’t vaccinate 3rd world countries this will be around for years with worse variants than we have now

    There's zero evidence that there'll be worse variants than we have now. Literally none.


  • #8126
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,524 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Was there any backlog lately? Seems very high compared to recent figures

    Yup 200+ in the last 2 days


  • #8127
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    328 yesterday. What happened? I know there's very few discharges over weekend but this is something else.

    No discharges at the weekend. Wouldn’t get too concerned


  • #8128
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Was there any backlog lately? Seems very high compared to recent figures

    Swabs over the last two days was 250 higher than cases.


  • #8129
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,524 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Breakdown by County

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1373690187709046790?s=19


  • #8130
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,414 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    I think she's been misquoted slightly, she mentions low level restrictions being in place for a few years, but the BBC and Sky seem to have taken that to include social distancing. I'm not sure that's what she meant.

    I heard her on the BBC and she clearly said low level measures like facemasks and social distancing.


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  • #8131
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    328 yesterday. What happened? I know there's very few discharges over weekend but this is something else.

    There was a post during the week that said they've adjusted their parameters for hospital numbers. Not quite sure on the specifics though.


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