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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8012
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    https://extra.ie/2021/03/21/must-see/taoiseach-is-out-of-touch-say-ministers-as-new-poll-reveals-increasing-number-turning-against-lockdown



    Interesting feedback from the cabinet.
    Just showing "de peeple" they are on their side! It's not as if that response to a survey hasn't been long predicted!


  • #8013
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    No other country in the world has travel restrictions in place that I am aware of. At least not for near 7 months.

    There should be NO travel restrictions. Anything less will be disgraceful.

    We need our media to ask serious questions. Why do we feel the need to implement restrictions that no other country is using and that have no science behind them.

    The only reason they are considering lifting the 5km is because they know nobody is following it anyways..: What a mess



    Oh yes they do....

    And btw its not a 'travel restriction' - The 5km here is for exercise only. Everyone is able to go beyond that for a whole host of essential reasons.

    Plenty of countries including the UK and Germany have strict "stay at home" restrictions along with hefty fines and prohibition on travel

    And looks like you're wrong btw

    According to a recent poll over 90% of respondents are observing the restrictions all / most of the time

    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-are-you-still-adhering-to-the-level-5-restrictions-5382680-Mar2021/

    Getting fairly tired of this endless rubbish cheerleading and pot stirring going on when the absolute majority appreciate that case numbers need to be kept down whilst vaccinations are rolled out.


  • #8014
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Went to visit my vaccinated grandparents yesterday. Not one checkpoint on the 30 minute drive each way


  • #8015
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Went to visit my vaccinated grandparents yesterday. Not one checkpoint on the 30 minute drive each way

    That's funny. I can't drive three minutes from my house before reaching what appears to be more or less a permanent checkpoint.


  • #8016
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Went to visit my vaccinated grandparents yesterday. Not one checkpoint on the 30 minute drive each way

    I haven't met a checkpoint since May and I'm in and out of Dublin 3/4 times a week.


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  • #8017
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gozunda wrote: »
    Oh yes they do....

    And btw its not a "travel limits" - The 5km here is for exercise only. Everyone is able to go beyond that for a whole host of essential reasons.

    Plenty of countries including the UK and Germany have strict "stay at home" restrictions along with hefty fines and prohibition on travel

    And looks like you're wrong btw

    According to a recent poll over 90% of respondents are observing the restrictions all / most of the time

    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-are-you-still-adhering-to-the-level-5-restrictions-5382680-Mar2021/

    Getting fairly tired of this endless rubbish cheerleading and pot stirring going on when the abdolute majority appreciate that case numbers need to be kept down whilst vaccinations are rolled out.
    It's really no longer perceived as such and serves as a means of movement restrictions and potentially reduced opportunities for socialising. Sorry to hear that your fellow citizens are causing you such mental angst but you'll get through it, just like them! Hopefully it be with all your relationships intact!


  • #8018
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    https://extra.ie/2021/03/21/must-see/taoiseach-is-out-of-touch-say-ministers-as-new-poll-reveals-increasing-number-turning-against-lockdown

    Interesting feedback from the cabinet.

    The state of the question in that poll ran by the Mail on Sunday :eek:

    The question asked was:
    ‘Is it preferable to have a tougher lockdown, such as the restrictions in place today, if it gets the cases down quicker OR a more relaxed lockdown, such as Level 3, which would have fewer restrictions but which might take longer to get the cases down?’

    Nothing like adding multiple qualifiers to a single question to get a straight answer eh ...


  • #8019
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,186 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Rosita wrote: »
    That's funny. I can't drive three minutes from my house before reaching what appears to be more or less a permanent checkpoint.

    Depends where you are I suppose. I hit 2 check points every time while dropping my child to my mams. They seem to rotate from one side of the road to the other. I haven't seen them set up for both directions. Outside of what seem the permanent ones. I haven't hit any other random ones.


  • #8020
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    gozunda wrote: »
    Eh? Of course it does - that's why we have the restriction in the first place.

    Breaking news- There's a pandemic on - and yes the restrictions are aimed at stopping crowds heading off to popular beauty spots, and similar other destinations and stopping on their way there and back for a sit down supermacs and a use of the jacks and meeting up with everyone else from multiple counties.

    Will some people ignore these restrictions? Yes they most likley will. But that's the usual diehards who listen to no one

    But the 5 km restriction does not prevent people from travelling for essential purposes.

    And nope its not all 'fellow citizens" by any means- just a few who still don't understand the basics or ar least are using them to stir ****e.
    We are at a point where people will cease to comply. Diehards is a very blinkered view of them. The "diehards" I hear from are looking out for their mental health, meeting people outside casually and getting their families out of the house to places where they can get fresh air.


  • #8021
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    gozunda wrote: »

    But the 5 km restriction does not prevent people from travelling for essential purposes.

    Yeah, some people seem to think that the 5k thing means they have to stay in their bedroom.


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  • #8022
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    Oh yes they do....

    And btw its not a 'travel restriction' - The 5km here is for exercise only. Everyone is able to go beyond that for a whole host of essential reasons.

    Plenty of countries including the UK and Germany have strict "stay at home" restrictions along with hefty fines and prohibition on travel

    And looks like you're wrong btw

    According to a recent poll over 90% of respondents are observing the restrictions all / most of the time

    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-are-you-still-adhering-to-the-level-5-restrictions-5382680-Mar2021/

    Getting fairly tired of this endless rubbish cheerleading and pot stirring going on when the absolute majority appreciate that case numbers need to be kept down whilst vaccinations are rolled out.

    Just to pick up one thing in your post. The UK might have a theoretical ‘stay at home’ order. The reality is that most have forgotten it even exists and there are no practical limits on travelling anywhere in the country for exercise, nor to vacation nationwide if an Airbnb or hotel has decided to open (which many have) - just a cursory question asking “is your stay essential” and with no follow up. I know because my sisters have been doing it.

    So the UK is indeed very different to Ireland in the reality of the restrictions, whatever might be written down on some paper. It’s a running joke that the pronouncements by sturgeon a week ago that the ‘stay at home’ order was being lifted were met with a general response of “is that order still in place”?!

    International travel wise, it’s effectively the same as Ireland (but, again, apparently less enforcement of the travel prohibition), but domestically is very different. Can’t speak for Germany though.


  • #8023
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    is_that_so wrote: »
    We are at a point where people will cease to comply. Diehards is a very blinkered view of them. The "diehards" I hear from are looking out for their mental health, meeting people outside casually and getting their families out of the house to places where they can get fresh air.

    Not sure what happened there. Managed to delete my post :D

    That's the thing. The absolute majority are observing restrictions.

    People and families can get out and about - the 5 km does not stop that at all.

    And those who I refer to are not the occasional person who does so - its the ones who observe no restrictions whatsoever becsuse they know better apparently.


  • #8024
    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,844 ✭✭✭✭MEGA BRO WOLF 5000


    is_that_so wrote: »
    We are at a point where people will cease to comply. Diehards is a very blinkered view of them. The "diehards" I hear from are looking out for their mental health, meeting people outside casually and getting their families out of the house to places where they can get fresh air.

    Or as the media call them. "Far right".


  • #8025
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Just to pick up one thing in your post. The UK might have a theoretical ‘stay at home’ order. The reality is that most have forgotten it even exists and there are no practical limits on travelling anywhere in the country for exercise, nor to vacation nationwide if an Airbnb or hotel has decided to open (which many have) - just a cursory question asking “is your stay essential” and with no follow up. I know because my sisters have been doing it.

    So the UK is indeed very different to Ireland in the reality of the restrictions, whatever might be written down on some paper. It’s a running joke that the pronouncements by sturgeon a week ago that the ‘stay at home’ order was being lifted were met with a general response of “is that order still in place”?!

    International travel wise, it’s effectively the same as Ireland (but, again, apparently less enforcement of the travel prohibition), but domestically is very different. Can’t speak for Germany though.

    Crucially hairdressers are now open in Germany!


  • #8026
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Just to pick up one thing in your post. The UK might have a theoretical ‘stay at home’ order. The reality is that most have forgotten it even exists and there are no practical limits on travelling anywhere in the country for exercise, nor to vacation nationwide if an Airbnb or hotel has decided to open (which many have) - just a cursory question asking “is your stay essential” and with no follow up. I know because my sisters have been doing it.

    So the UK is indeed very different to Ireland in the reality of the restrictions, whatever might be written down on some paper. It’s a running joke that the pronouncements by sturgeon a week ago that the ‘stay at home’ order was being lifted were met with a general response of “is that order still in place”?!

    International travel wise, it’s effectively the same as Ireland (but, again, apparently less enforcement of the travel prohibition), but domestically is very different. Can’t speak for Germany though.

    I don't reckon its theoretical at all.

    It seems more stringent than anything here :eek:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52106843

    As for foreign travel restrictions- in the UK that's actually been made illegal

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice

    With bigger fines
    Passengers who are identified by police as attempting to travel internationally for reasons that are not currently permitted will be asked to return home and risk being fined for breaking the rules.

    The fines start at £200 and soar to a maximum of £6,400.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56295486


  • #8027
    ArthurDayne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    gozunda wrote: »
    Oh yes they do....

    And btw its not a 'travel restriction' - The 5km here is for exercise only. Everyone is able to go beyond that for a whole host of essential reasons.

    Plenty of countries including the UK and Germany have strict "stay at home" restrictions along with hefty fines and prohibition on travel

    And looks like you're wrong btw

    According to a recent poll over 90% of respondents are observing the restrictions all / most of the time

    https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-are-you-still-adhering-to-the-level-5-restrictions-5382680-Mar2021/

    Getting fairly tired of this endless rubbish cheerleading and pot stirring going on when the absolute majority appreciate that case numbers need to be kept down whilst vaccinations are rolled out.

    It is a travel restriction. There are Garda checkpoints stopping vehicles at which citizens can be subject to sanction if they are not travelling within the parameters of what is permissible — and anything outside those parameters can de deemed unlawful and subject to penalty or hindrance by the police. That is by very definition a travel restriction. Whether one agrees with the necessity of it or not, there is no point trying to call a spade a football.

    As for this poll, is this what we are reduced to? It is literally insane to take a poll at face value about adhering to restrictions when (1) the very restrictions make impossible many of the things people would otherwise be doing and (2) people are under the threat (both real and perceived) of social and legal censure if they do not adhere with the restrictions. I mean, Christ above, I disagree with the nature of our restrictions wholeheartedly but even I probably still abide by them “most of the time” because I can’t just magic things open and I don’t fancy being in a shebeen when the peelers make an entrance. I would venture that when people say “most of the time” they are probably referring to the fact that half the country seems to try get out and about at weekends and younger people seem to be calling round to friends’ houses. I live in Dublin — it’s happening all the time. As the weather improves, more people will be meeting up in parks and heading to houses and even then they could still probably justify saying that they abide by the restrictions “most of the time”.


  • #8028
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The LOK-down worked but failed with Dublin, simply because it's too big. The 5km, as crude and annoying as it is, largely ties people to a location. Making it regional means a lot more movement. Haircuts unfortunately come under that close proximity indoors. What the restrictions remind us is the limit of where PCR and contact tracing can get you. We do need other tools, but there are none available.

    So keep all the Dubs in. That's my point essentially, regional approaches. Tell people in Dublin and similar areas to stay the **** where they are. Let us get on with things.

    The last time hairdressers were open in Sligo, the local numbers were the same as they are now if not higher. It's just overboard imo.


  • #8029
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 wrote: »
    Or as the media call them. "Far right".

    You mean just the few who observe no restrictions whatsoever becsuse they know better apparently?

    Are they far right? I dunno ...


  • #8030
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    I don't reckon its theoretical at all.

    It seems more stringent than anything here :eek:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-derbyshire-55560814

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-52106843

    As for foreign travel restrictions- in the UK that's actually been made illegal

    https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice

    With bigger fines



    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56295486

    If you want to argue with people with personal experience, then fine. I’m done. Just saying how it is in realty in the UK


  • #8031
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,819 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Rosita wrote: »
    Yeah, some people seem to think that the 5k thing means they have to stay in their bedroom.

    That does somewhat explain the refrain of "give us freedom and let those who want to stay hiding under the bed".


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  • #8032
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ArthurDayne wrote: »
    It is a travel restriction. ...


    OK lets say it's a " travel restriction" - a 'travel restriction' which allows people to exercise within a 5 km radius but does not stop anyone for travelling for a plethora of essential purposes

    And you dont like the poll because it asks people about things they shouldn't be doing like - I dunno attending a 'shebeen' as per your example

    My bad ...


  • #8033
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    From the very start it was the mantra "we are in it together". It would not be fair on those living in Dublin etc to see other people in the country acting normally..

    Tough


  • #8034
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,282 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    So keep all the Dubs in. That's my point essentially, regional approaches. Tell people in Dublin and similar areas to stay the **** where they are. Let us get on with things.

    The last time hairdressers were open in Sligo, the local numbers were the same as they are now if not higher. It's just overboard imo.

    Should we keep everyone who is not living here not to come in too ? All those essential workers and frontline staff who work in Dublin but cant afford to live in Dublin .I know of nurses travelling from Wexford, Cavan, Meath , Wicklow , Louth to work so should we dirty Dubs tell them not to come while we stay ***** here in our cesspit
    Or should we keep them here living in tents and not let them home so Sligo can go get their hair cut


  • #8035
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    gozunda wrote: »
    You mean just the few who observe no restrictions whatsoever becsuse they know better apparently?

    Are they far right? I dunno ...

    I think 'far wrong' would be more appropriate for them.


  • #8036
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If you want to argue with people with personal experience, then fine. I’m done. Just saying how it is in realty in the UK

    You'll excuse me if I take official sources on an anonymous forum ;)


  • #8037
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    So keep all the Dubs in. That's my point essentially, regional approaches. Tell people in Dublin and similar areas to stay the **** where they are. Let us get on with things.

    The last time hairdressers were open in Sligo, the local numbers were the same as they are now if not higher. It's just overboard imo.

    I live and work in Dublin, and I agree with you. Keep Leinster in Level 5. But Connacht and Munster can open up.

    Or alternatively use all the vaccine supplies in Dublin, allowing Dublin to go to level 1, with the rest of the country in Level 5.

    Either is ok with me. Though the second option might be slightly less popular outside Dublin.


  • #8038
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Should we keep everyone who is not living here not to come in too ? All those essential workers and frontline staff who work in Dublin but cant afford to live in Dublin .I know of nurses travelling from Wexford, Cavan, Meath , Wicklow , Louth to work so should we dirty Dubs tell them not to come while we stay ***** here in our cesspit

    No you wouldn't - 'Dublin and similar areas'. They should all have a similar restriction - the numbers probably tell the story. No-one is commuting to work from Leitrim to Dublin or even from Leitrim to Galway. So ease the restrictions in low-numbers, low-density areas.
    If people have all the benefits of living in urban areas then occasionally they have to live with the drawbacks.

    Ultimately i think the gov. is too lazy to do this, with the vaccine slowly rolling out.

    Also there is already a 5km restriction in place so i'm not sure of your point? - you are being asked to stay in your 'cesspot' as it is unless you have essential purposes. My scenario wouldn't change that.


  • #8039
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,819 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    If we are giving the Dubs special treatment surely we can all agree they get a 10 year ban from the Football Championship?

    :P


  • #8040
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,623 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Staines was on WLR in Waterford this morning saying the schools need to be closed.....causing panic of course.


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  • #8041
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,282 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    No you wouldn't - 'Dublin and similar areas'. They should all have a similar restriction - the numbers probably tell the story. No-one is commuting to work from Leitrim to Dublin or even from Leitrim to Galway. So ease the restrictions in low-numbers, low-density areas.
    If people have all the benefits of living in urban areas then occasionally they have to live with the drawbacks.

    Ultimately i think the gov. is too lazy to do this, with the vaccine slowly rolling out.

    Also there is already a 5km restriction in place so i'm not sure of your point? - you are being asked to stay in your 'cesspot' as it is unless you have essential purposes. My scenario wouldn't change that.

    What has the 5kms got to do with essential and front line staff commuting to Dublin to work ? No idea what your point is .


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