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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7832
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Locotastic wrote: »
    The guidance?

    You know people haven't lost the ability to think independently and make reasoned decisions on their own circumstances?

    Well most people haven't anyway.

    Perhaps the government needs to realise that there's a growing number of people who don't want to listen to their groundhog mantras any more.

    If people want to gather outdoors without masks well that's on them, it shouldn't matter to anyone else. No Gardai came out to haul them away for not listening to guidance.

    I'm fully aware that people have not lost the ability to think independently and ignore public health advice, yes. See plenty of them out there. Mostly why were are still seeing 500+ cases a day.


  • #7833
    Diamondhands
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 ✭Diamondhands


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I'm fully aware that people have not lost the ability to think independently and ignore public health advice, yes. See plenty of them out there. Mostly why were are still seeing 500+ cases a day.

    We're still seeing 500 cases a day because the Government incorrectly thought you can implement perpetual lockdowns and keep the buy-in of the public, you can't.

    This is on them, the blame cannot be on the public.


  • #7834
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Diamondhands wrote: »
    Do you think that's acceptable? Genuine question.

    I'm not happy with but unfortunately we get what we as a population deserve.

    There is some things government have or haven't done that I don't agree with. I do think its essential that health care is prioritised. My parents are older vulnerable people and have had non urgent but routine and necessary testing and appointments cancelled.

    My father has had 2 appointments for a knee replacement cancelled because of hospitals being stressed. Then they won't reschedule them because he is vulnerable so they don't want to being him into hospital.

    My mother needs routine blood tests every 6 months. The hospital isnt bringing people in for blood tests and neither is her gp so she had to pay for someone to call to house to take blood despite being on the medical care.

    My uncle had covid and a heart attack in the last month. The hospital would have sent him to a step down facility for rehab but they are full with excovid patients so they sent him home instead.

    To me the resumption of full medical care is the most important thing. If they can't do that they can't justify any relaxations.


  • #7835
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,190 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    9 deaths, 525 cases

    7 of the deaths March, 2 from February

    7 day average in cases is 497. It was 526 last Saturday.

    7 day average in reported deaths is 8 it was 17 last Saturday.


  • #7836
    Diamondhands
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 ✭Diamondhands


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I'm not happy with but unfortunately we get what we as a population deserve.

    We have done nothing but go along with their restrictions for as long as humanly tolerable, and now you feel berating the population is the right move here? We have done excellently as a population but you cannot sit there with a straight face and expect indefinite compliance with restrictions that have no end in sight.

    People have literally lost their minds.


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  • #7837
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The thing is we have almost the exact same restrictions we had in early January.

    The level of activity is probably 20 or 30 times higher.

    Maybe where you live but where I am level of activity is only a bit more


  • #7838
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,899 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Diamondhands wrote: »
    Yeah how would you feel if you met an elderly person on the 68th meter outside your radius, you'd be having nightmares for weeks.

    Even reading that post is enough to give me the shivers.


  • #7839
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I'm not happy with but unfortunately we get what we as a population deserve.

    There is some things government have or haven't done that I don't agree with. I do think its essential that health care is prioritised. My parents are older vulnerable people and have had non urgent but routine and necessary testing and appointments cancelled.

    My father has had 2 appointments for a knee replacement cancelled because of hospitals being stressed. Then they won't reschedule them because he is vulnerable so they don't want to being him into hospital.

    My mother needs routine blood tests every 6 months. The hospital isnt bringing people in for blood tests and neither is her gp so she had to pay for someone to call to house to take blood despite being on the medical care.

    My uncle had covid and a heart attack in the last month. The hospital would have sent him to a step down facility for rehab but they are full with excovid patients so they sent him home instead.

    To me the resumption of full medical care is the most important thing. If they can't do that they can't justify any relaxations.
    You seem to be ignoring where people are at mentally at this stage. It's been inevitable since we started on this grim path 12 months ago. In their own way they are trying to look after their own health. You may not approve but they are human with their own challenges.


  • #7840
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,083 ✭✭✭gifted


    SPDUB wrote: »
    Maybe where you live but where I am level of activity is only a bit more

    I live in oranmore in galway and the level of activity has increased dramatically in the last few weeks. The amount of traffic on the roads is unreal. Not just at work times but all day. They can't all be going to work throughout the day.


  • #7841
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,300 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Diamondhands wrote: »
    We're still seeing 500 cases a day because the Government incorrectly thought you can implement perpetual lockdowns and keep the buy-in of the public, you can't.

    This is on them, the blame cannot be on the public.


    Given the fact schools have reopened, the amount of businesses that are open compared to last April and general lockdown fatigue, I think these figures are going to be as good as it gets unless they decide to completely change what is deemed essential.


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  • #7842
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    SPDUB wrote: »
    Maybe where you live but where I am level of activity is only a bit more

    It would definitely be interesting to see a comparison of mobility January vs now in different regions of Ireland.


  • #7843
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    I'm fully aware that people have not lost the ability to think independently and ignore public health advice, yes. See plenty of them out there. Mostly why were are still seeing 500+ cases a day.

    Believe it or not there are people living relatively regular lives right now who have not contracted or passed on covid.

    You can be careful without hiding under you bed for eternity and tutting at others who have the audacity to want to live normally.

    I would trust that the majority of people are capable of making sensible decisions for themselves.

    Of course there are those who couldn't be trusted but they won't be following any of the guidance anyway.

    So what are the benefits of these restrictions at this point?

    I think it's quite pointless at this stage.


  • #7844
    Diamondhands
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 ✭Diamondhands


    prunudo wrote: »
    Given the fact schools have reopened, the amount of businesses that are open compared to last April and general lockdown fatigue, I think these figures are going to be as good as it gets unless they decide to completely change what is deemed essential.

    For sure, it's not getting any better. The Governments inability to understand things on a human level is baffling.

    We're not bots they can code to carry out certain tasks.


  • #7845
    SPDUB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,351 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

    My mother needs routine blood tests every 6 months. The hospital isnt bringing people in for blood tests and neither is her gp so she had to pay for someone to call to house to take blood despite being on the medical care.
    .

    That appears to be an individual hospital issue as I know St James's is doing blood tests and I believe Tallaght is doing them as well


  • #7846
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You seem to be ignoring where people are at mentally at this stage. It's been inevitable since we started on this grim path 12 months ago. In their own way they are trying to look after their own health. You may not approve but they are human with their own challenges.

    I understand that but its just going to mean that the restrictions will be extended.

    We will have longer restrictions with a smaller part of the population following. There will be very little movement in restrictions on April 5 imo.


  • #7847
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I understand that but its just going to mean that the restrictions will be extended.

    We will have longer restrictions with a smaller part of the population following. There will be very little movement in restrictions on April 5 imo.

    Which is exactly why less and less people are following them. They keep telling us oh it will be May and then June or maybe August, to hell with that nobody is going to listen anymore.

    They understand nothing about human nature, that's clear.


  • #7848
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I understand that but its just going to mean that the restrictions will be extended.

    We will have longer restrictions with a smaller part of the population following. There will be very little movement in restrictions on April 5 imo.
    They will still need to signal something that looks like a change. If it's just an announcement of revisiting it on May 4th they will absolutely lose compliance. I think they can get away with moving the 5km and allowing outdoor activities. Other things can be called a phased plan.


  • #7849
    Diamondhands
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 ✭Diamondhands


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I understand that but its just going to mean that the restrictions will be extended.

    We will have longer restrictions with a smaller part of the population following. There will be very little movement in restrictions on April 5 imo.

    The mass acceptance of mediocrity from the Government says a lot about how they've managed to make a balls of things repeatedly & have stayed in power. It's always someone else's fault.

    The Government have pushed the lockdown button too frequently, losing public buy-in. That is apparently the public's fault for not holding firm a little while longer.

    The Government failed to address ICU capacity throughout the last 12 months, again, this just means we need to hold firm longer than every other country.

    The Government have failed to communicate clearly and do everything at a snails pace, again, this is the populations fault somehow.

    How people are quite happy and accepting of this perpetual bull**** is staggering.


  • #7850
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    Diamondhands wrote: »
    How people are quite happy and accepting of this perpetual bull**** is staggering.

    I'd be more worried about this than covid tbh these days, this will effect people for years afterwards.

    It's shocking, it's like some people have been effectively brainwashed.


  • #7851
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    There is some things government have or haven't done that I don't agree with. I do think its essential that health care is prioritised. My parents are older vulnerable people and have had non urgent but routine and necessary testing and appointments cancelled.

    My father has had 2 appointments for a knee replacement cancelled because of hospitals being stressed. Then they won't reschedule them because he is vulnerable so they don't want to being him into hospital.

    My mother needs routine blood tests every 6 months. The hospital isnt bringing people in for blood tests and neither is her gp so she had to pay for someone to call to house to take blood despite being on the medical care.

    My uncle had covid and a heart attack in the last month. The hospital would have sent him to a step down facility for rehab but they are full with excovid patients so they sent him home instead.

    To me the resumption of full medical care is the most important thing. If they can't do that they can't justify any relaxations.
    SPDUB wrote: »
    That appears to be an individual hospital issue as I know St James's is doing blood tests and I believe Tallaght is doing them as well
    To reiterate what SPDUB said, the resumption of normal scheduled hospital procedures depends on each individual hospital. Those still with a large number of Covid patients will likely be slower to resume their services.

    I'm surprised to hear neither your mother's hospital or GP would give her an appointment to have blood taken, if it is scheduled every 6 months. Any hospital outpatient dept phlebotomist would gladly take them if they had the request form from the GP. I don't know of any surgery in our catchment area that is too busy to take bloods. We're as busy as ever and have been for months.


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  • #7852
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Is it just my imagination or has there been significantly less cases vs swabs the last few days?


  • #7853
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    The government failed to get an adequate track and trace system in place. It's been a year
    Failed to get enforced hotel quarantine in place . It's been a year
    Failed our nursing and care homes resulting in our vulnerable being wiped out over the past year
    Failed workers in high risk environments (meat plants)

    That's just to name a few

    Instead they enforced a never ending lockdown on its citizens . The harshest restrictions in the world . The public followed these restrictions for a year with great success . Cases came down , hospital and ICU came down . This was down to the public sacrificing their social life , mental health and their finances

    A year on with a new variant lockdowns don't have the same affect as they previously had . The chickens have come home to roost for the government . They have no plan other than mass vaccination . This has been delayed due to the EU supply

    So there was only one thing to do . Blame the public . And people here are doing the same

    It's shameful


  • #7854
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,945 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    Or just break that particular rule. It's barely breaking it if it's only 100m outside.

    Don't be absurd! :pac:


  • #7855
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Locotastic wrote: »
    Which is exactly why less and less people are following them. They keep telling us oh it will be May and then June or maybe August, to hell with that nobody is going to listen anymore.

    They understand nothing about human nature, that's clear.

    And this is precisely the attitude that will have us in restrictions way longer than necessary.

    To hell with that attitude indeed

    Shin


  • #7856
    Diamondhands
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 27 ✭Diamondhands


    shinzon wrote: »
    And this is precisely the attitude that will have us in restrictions way longer than necessary.

    To hell with that attitude indeed

    Shin

    "to hell with those pesky humans"

    You can't ask people to indefinitely remain locked down longer than any EU country when you've made a complete and utter balls of everything on your end. People will eventually get tired of it.

    Humans gonna human, if you will.


  • #7857
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Diamondhands wrote: »
    "to hell with those pesky humans"

    You can't ask people to indefinitely remain locked down longer than any EU country when you've made a complete and utter balls of everything on your end. People will eventually get tired of it.

    Humans gonna human, if you will.

    I like to think humans care about humans, apart from few exemptions.

    The other part I don't get at all. But maybe my English is too weak to understand "indefinitely locked down longer than any other...."

    Maybe people will eventually get tired of clowns breaking simple guidelines..
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    Hit the switch to keep the lights on.



  • #7858
    PokeHerKing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Locotastic wrote: »
    They understand nothing about human nature, that's clear.

    Thats because they're all lizards


  • #7859
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,129 ✭✭✭jackboy


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Maybe people will eventually get tired of clowns breaking simple guidelines..

    That is the governments fault. Some people have never followed the restrictions and some have been effectively exempt from the restrictions. That on top of the fact that some of the restrictions have no impact on the virus spread and other essential restrictions are not being applied, such as hotel quarantine for incoming travellers. All of this together indicates that our politicians are incompetent, but is anyone really surprised when we only elect them to fix potholes and get us medical cards.


  • #7860
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    That is the governments fault. Some people have never followed the restrictions and some have been effectively exempt from the restrictions. That on top of the fact that some of the restrictions have no impact on the virus spread and other essential restrictions are not being applied, such as hotel quarantine for incoming travellers. All of this together indicates that our politicians are incompetent, but is anyone really surprised when we only elect them to fix potholes and get us medical cards.

    Or that some people will do whatever the hell they want, regardless. As has been said here more than once people have very different perceptions of risk.


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  • #7861
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    I like to think humans care about humans, apart from few exemptions.

    The other part I don't get at all. But maybe my English is too weak to understand "indefinitely locked down longer than any other...."

    Maybe people will eventually get tired of clowns breaking simple guidelines..

    Non-compliance is built into models of advice, though.

    If I remember correctly, there were many scientists at the beginning of the pandemic recommending against premature lockdown on the sensible and pragmatic grounds that compliance is likely to reduce over time. Timing, in other words, is crucial.

    That principle was sound then, and it's sound now.

    The question is: why have NPHET jettisoned this principle in favor of the precise opposite - namely, premature and prolonged Lv. 5 lockdown with no immediate hope of remission?

    The answer to that I do not know.


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