Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Monster249 · 19-03-2021 03:59PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Sorry for your loss. It's a **** time to die, and an even worse time to grieve.

You may have just softened me up, because I don't necessarily disagree with you in the main. I think nphet can be prone to being overly cautious. I remember back in the day when they were slow to introduce face masks as they were worried people would drop their guard and become complacent.

This time around I think they could be looking at allowing small meetings of people in parks and such. Embrace the outdoors. It's safe enough. But I guess they're again worried we'll drop our guard and become complacent again. Maybe they're right.

Yeah I think you're right with their concerns about people becoming complacent but the issue is they already are (evidenced by the stagnation of metrics). It shows they're slightly out of touch with reality.

I've supported (or at least was able to comprehend their rationale) most of the Government's decisions to date but this time, it feels like they've given too much control to NPHET and are disregarding the bigger picture in favour of trying to bring the level of virus down to impossible levels.

mohawk · 19-03-2021 04:01PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

They had a significantly more severe lockdown and their incidence level is now about half that of ours.

If you're calling for us to follow Portugal's lead that means curfews, parks and beaches shut - a genuine stay at home lockdown.

I'm not sure some here have it in them to do that at this stage

The time for that kind of lockdown has passed. It should of happened in January when schools etc are off.

The shorter the restrictions the better the adherence to them.

Boggles · 19-03-2021 04:08PM

Monster249 wrote: »

The first part of your post is rubbish, ICU capacity wasn't completely full at any stage and neither were standard beds.

Again if you calmed down and did a small bit of research before labeling things rubbish it might help.

The majority of people who died didn't get near ICU, that is a simple fact.

A large amount of people who died didn't get near a hospital, again a simple fact.

Monster249 wrote: »

I'm not talking about what we have achieved, I'm talking about them extending the planned easing again despite the success over the last 3 months. What they want in an ideal scenario is not conducive with reality. We have a lower incidence rate than most European countries so how can you sit there and get behind a further extension of current restrictions when we've done as well as can be expected?

Again people have very short memories.

It wasn't long ago we also had the lowest rate in Europe.

Then the wheels came off the fun bus spectacularly.

Monster249 · 19-03-2021 04:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

Again if you calmed down and did a small bit of research before labeling things rubbish it might help.

The majority of people who died didn't get near ICU, that is a simple fact.

A large amount of people who died didn't get near a hospital, again a simple fact.

Again people have very short memories.

It wasn't long ago we also had the lowest rate in Europe.

Then the wheels came off the fun bus spectacularly.

Where are people dying if not in hospitals?

bb1234567 · 19-03-2021 04:13PM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It has all gotten so weird, I was discussing the governments mishandling of these restrictions and how ridiculous it all is with a friend yesterday and he started saying I should be out marching with Gemma etc and the rest of the right wing loons. Some people think you're a nutjob if you even question the government on this.
It doesn't really affect me that much but it is destroying so many people.

Yeh, it's such completely illogical binary thinking. And so many contradictory thoughts from so many people I know, my own mother gives out about restrictions so much and complains about how useless and needlessly restrictive they are with so many other impacts and side effects, yet when she heard there was a march on paddy's day against lockdown she was giving out about them, saying how anyone going to that is a complete tosser/eejit/nutjob. Only a quiet grumble to yourself is allowed in most Irish people's books even if the restrictions are destroying your life.

Multipass · 19-03-2021 04:14PM

Boggles wrote: »

Again if you calmed down and did a small bit of research before labeling things rubbish it might help.

The majority of people who died didn't get near ICU, that is a simple fact.

A large amount of people who died didn't get near a hospital, again a simple fact.

Again people have very short memories.

It wasn't long ago we also had the lowest rate in Europe.

Then the wheels came off the fun bus spectacularly.

In other words the majority of people who died had such a short life span left in nursing homes that it wasn’t worth going to hospital. Still sad, but thanks for the reminder of who is being ‘saved’ and for how long, by shutting down an entire country for more than a year.

Sobit1964 · 19-03-2021 04:17PM

https://www.thelocal.se/20210311/stockholm-school-sends-pupil-home-for-wearing-face-mask/?amp

Meanwhile in Sweden - your kid gets sent home if it refuses to remove its facemask.

Linus stayed at home between Monday and Wednesday before deciding, along with his parents, that the damage from missing school was worse than the risk of not wearing a mask, and returning to school without one on Thursday.

Boggles · 19-03-2021 04:17PM

Monster249 wrote: »

Where are people dying if not in hospitals?

I'll put it do you this way.

1,366 people required ICU treatment to date.

There has been 4,566 probably and possible deaths from Covid.

In Sweden 68% of people who required ICU were 69 or younger out of 5645, and they have reported 13,262 deaths.

It's not just a coincidence that when ICU's fill up mortality increases exponentially more.

19-03-2021 04:18PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Do you think if the health and well-being of everyone in the country suddenly became your responsibility that you'd maybe be a little more cautious in your stated approach?

Perhaps the fundamental difference in opinion in this thread can be boiled down to this question right here.

I never considered the government to be responsible for my health and well-being, nor for the health and well-being of everyone in the country. That would be, quite literally, a nanny state.

Boggles · 19-03-2021 04:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Perhaps the fundamental difference in opinion in this thread can be boiled down to this question right here.

I never considered the government to be responsible for my health and well-being, nor for the health and well-being of everyone in the country. That would be, quite literally, a nanny state.

That isn't a question, it's a bizarre statement.

So God forbid, if you or a member of your family are involved in an accident that requires care, where do you go?

FintanMcluskey · 19-03-2021 04:22PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/i-would-take-the-astrazeneca-jab-taoiseach-1098852.html

The Taoiseach has said he would have no issue taking the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine if he was offered it.

Inspirational stuff

Considering thousands of his citizens have already taken it, I’m not sure why he feels the need to say such tripe

19-03-2021 04:23PM

Monster249 wrote: »

The first part of your post is rubbish, ICU capacity wasn't completely full at any stage and neither were standard beds.

Its not rubbish. Many of the cases in elderly residents of nursing homes were kept and managed in nursing homes and were never referred to a hospital.

My own mother was one of them. Before we even got the result of her covid test back we were told if she tested positive, she would not be referred to hospital as she would not be considered a "priority".

mikekerry · 19-03-2021 04:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/i-would-take-the-astrazeneca-jab-taoiseach-1098852.html

Inspirational stuff

Considering thousands of his citizens have already taken it, I’m not sure why he feels the need to say such tripe

Tripe is the only thing that comes out of his mouth

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-03-2021 04:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/i-would-take-the-astrazeneca-jab-taoiseach-1098852.html

Inspirational stuff

Considering thousands of his citizens have already taken it, I’m not sure why he feels the need to say such tripe

You dont think there might be some hesitancy after this week? i dunno, doesn't bother me, id take it, dont see what harm it does for MM to say it.

hynesie08 · 19-03-2021 04:27PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/i-would-take-the-astrazeneca-jab-taoiseach-1098852.html

Inspirational stuff

Considering thousands of his citizens have already taken it, I’m not sure why he feels the need to say such tripe

Probably because he was asked....

19-03-2021 04:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

That isn't a question, it's a bizarre statement.

So God forbid, if you or a member of your family are involved in an accident that requires care, where do you go?

Being responsible for a tax-funded health service is quite a different proposition to being "responsible for the health and well-being" of everyone in the country.

Boggles · 19-03-2021 04:29PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Probably because he was asked....

Can you imagine if he refused to answer it as Fintan is advocating?

FintanMcluskey · 19-03-2021 04:29PM

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You dont think there might be some hesitancy after this week? i dunno, doesn't bother me, id take it, dont see what harm it does for MM to say it.

Well then plonk him on a stool and jab him in front of the camera

I find it amusing the consistent defence of MM

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-03-2021 04:30PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

You know them being invented isn't enough, they have to be manufactured and distributed.

Its no wonder these idiots are so frustrated if they are this naive

Monster249 · 19-03-2021 04:30PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'll put it do you this way.

1,366 people required ICU treatment to date.

There has been 4,566 probably and possible deaths from Covid.

In Sweden 68% of people who required ICU were 69 or younger out of 5645, and they have reported 13,262 deaths.

It's not just a coincidence that when ICU's fill up mortality increases exponentially more.

Okay so I'll ask again, where are people dying in Ireland? Nursing homes? If that's the case we have those vaccinated.

WallyGUFC · 19-03-2021 04:30PM

Boggles wrote: »

I'll put it do you this way.

1,366 people required ICU treatment to date.

There has been 4,566 probably and possible deaths from Covid.

In Sweden 68% of people who required ICU were 69 or younger out of 5645, and they have reported 13,262 deaths.

It's not just a coincidence that when ICU's fill up mortality increases exponentially more.

With Covid rather than from Covid surely?

Boggles · 19-03-2021 04:32PM

Monster249 wrote: »

Okay so I'll ask again, where are people dying in Ireland? Nursing homes? If that's the case we have those vaccinated.

And based on the actual factual information I just gave you what conclusions can you now draw from it?

Coillte_Bhoy · 19-03-2021 04:35PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well then plonk him on a stool and jab him in front of the camera

I find it amusing the consistent defence of MM

Its not case of defending him at all, just dont know why that statement bothers you enough to post, what harm has it done?

Boggles · 19-03-2021 04:35PM

WallyGUFC wrote: »

With Covid rather than from Covid surely?

"Related To" officially. But I think you knew what I meant.

And don't call me surely.

Boggles · 19-03-2021 04:36PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Well then plonk him on a stool and jab him in front of the camera

I find it amusing the consistent defence of MM

You'd be straight on here ranting and raving about how he skipped the queue.

Monster249 · 19-03-2021 04:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not rubbish. Many of the cases in elderly residents of nursing homes were kept and managed in nursing homes and were never referred to a hospital.

My own mother was one of them. Before we even got the result of her covid test back we were told if she tested positive, she would not be referred to hospital as she would not be considered a "priority".

Okay so these individuals are mostly vaccinated now so they shouldn't factor into decision making regarding the reopening.

Allinall · 19-03-2021 04:44PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/i-would-take-the-astrazeneca-jab-taoiseach-1098852.html

Inspirational stuff

Considering thousands of his citizens have already taken it, I’m not sure why he feels the need to say such tripe

He was asked a question and answered it.

What did you expect him to say? "No comment" ? :rolleyes:

Windmill100000 · 19-03-2021 04:53PM

Allinall wrote: »

He was asked a question and answered it.

What did you expect him to say? "No comment" ? :rolleyes:

Quite simply, damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

19-03-2021 04:53PM

Can anyone direct me to the analysis of the human and economic cost of lockdown yet?

PTH2009 · 19-03-2021 05:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Can anyone direct me to the analysis of the human and economic cost of lockdown yet?

Don't worry we have the magic money tree of Tir Na Nog

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