Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

Monster249 wrote: »

Yes? NPHET's job is to be as cautious as possible and if they're given a voice, which they are, of course they're going to be as cautious as possible, overly so.

It's the government who are supposed to balance that with positivity and every other arm of the country which they have monumentally failed to do.

NPHET's job is to advise on a once in a generation pandemic.

That advice is tailored around a remit given to them by governance.

In between cabinet and NPHET are a separate sub committee.

Right now NPHET's remit it to advise on how to get kids back to school and non covid care restarted.

Both have been achieved thus far.

That is reality.

Coillte_Bhoy

Silentcorner wrote: »

People need to start realizing that the last day of the last lockdown is not the end...it is the half way point, over 800,000 now on HSE waiting lists, Unemployment will hit 20% probably higher, housing crisis has been worsened, the local SME industry, the industry that employs people in ever village, town and city is going to be decimated...when we look back at the stats, cases, death rate it will appear to be the biggest miscalculation in our nations history, we will lose another generation to emigration...it is money that the state is borrowing on our behalf, which has to come to an end soon, that is stopping the mass protests, civil disobedience....

Martin doesn't want to speculate what will happen next month? That is simply not good enough....We are being run by the members of one of the most dysfunctional health system in Europe...who are ignoring the WHO, Science and all the other countries that have more relaxed restrictions than we do, in countries with much bigger cities and older populations.

This has been a monumental disaster...all the cheer leading media channels in the State won't protect them from what is coming next!

Which is what exactly?

Boggles

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Which is what exactly?

More online ranting and raving I'd guess.

Coillte_Bhoy

Monster249 wrote: »

I'm not agreeing with the comparison but are you not able to see some similarities? Albeit nowhere near as sinister and not in the same moral arena.

Oh man i shouldnt even dignify this with a reply. It's actually disgraceful you belittling the horrors of the SS, shame on you,

FintanMcluskey

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Which is what exactly?

Didn’t read the post eh

Doesn’t surprise me

Coillte_Bhoy

Monster249 wrote: »

Yes? NPHET's job is to be as cautious as possible and if they're given a voice, which they are, of course they're going to be as cautious as possible, overly so.

A few posts ago you said it was to scaremonger, which is it?

Coillte_Bhoy

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Didn’t read the post eh

Doesn’t surprise me

I did Fintan, i did. Im just not sure who needs protecting? The present Govt? The political class in general? Who?

Monster249

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Oh man i shouldnt even dignify this with a reply. It's actually disgraceful you belittling the horrors of the SS, shame on you,

Hyberbole.

Coillte_Bhoy

Monster249 wrote: »

Hyberbole.

Your post? Glad to hear it

Monster249

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Your post? Glad to hear it

You didn't read my post properly and formed a hyperbolic response. You missed the point where I said I didn't agree with the comparison but enforcing arbitrary guidelines because "it's their job" is the similarity. I'm sorry I wasn't more obvious, I forget that some on here cant (or won't) interpret things properly.

ninebeanrows

We are close.

At last people are beginning to awaken to what they have allowed happen.

Hold tight and i believe sanity will return in a few more weeks.

Stormyteacup

Boggles wrote: »

NPHET's job is to advise on a once in a generation pandemic.

That advice is tailored around a remit given to them by governance.

In between cabinet and NPHET are a separate sub committee.

Right now NPHET's remit it to advise on how to get kids back to school and non covid care restarted.

Both have been achieved thus far.

That is reality.

Sounds reasonable - except that the remit given to NPHET by government was a result of NPHETs advice to government on what remit they should be given, in full knowledge that governments stance was to defer to all advice by NPHET.

Surely by now we are under no illusions of who is directing the management of this crisis.

Monster249

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Sounds reasonable - except that the remit given to NPHET by government was a result of NPHETs advice to government on what remit they should be given, in full knowledge that governments stance was to defer to all advice by NPHET.

Surely by now we are under no illusions of who is directing the management of this crisis.

It's not reasonable for a health advisory body to run the country, regardless of what crisis is ongoing. That's the major issue.

I know you're not saying it is btw.

Coillte_Bhoy

Monster249 wrote: »

You didn't read my post properly and formed a hyperbolic response. You missed the point where I said I didn't agree with the comparison but enforcing arbitrary guidelines because "it's their job" is the similarity. I'm sorry I wasn't more obvious, I forget that some on here cant (or won't) interpret things properly.

Oh i read it properly, i know what you meant and its disgraceful. And yes it is their job, so by your logic any agent of the state enforcing laws or guidelines you dont like can be compared to the SS? I see.

Coillte_Bhoy

Monster249 wrote: »

It's not reasonable for a health advisory body to run the country, regardless of what crisis is ongoing. That's the major issue.

I know you're not saying it is btw.

Indeed and thankfully they are not.

Monster249

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Oh i read it properly, i know what you meant and its disgraceful. And yes it is their job, so by your logic any agent of the state enforcing laws or guidelines you dont like can be compared to the SS? I see.

It's not laws that I don't like, it's stuff like the 5k rule that has no scientific backing or logical reasoning, just an arbitrary rule implemented and enforced without question. Again I'm not agreeing and I think it's a huge stretch but there is a similarity there.

Im not belittling anything so stop with that line of accusation please, you're extrapolating and making assumptions that are just wrong.

Monster249

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Indeed and thankfully they are not.

But they are? They're the ones communicating with the public and any advice is blindly followed by the leaders of the nation. You're an idiot if you can't see that and I literally have nothing else to say to you.

As long as they don't touch my gold plated public sector pension.

Although, it's important to max out the additional voluntary contributions too.

Boggles

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Sounds reasonable - except that the remit given to NPHET by government was a result of NPHETs advice to government on what remit they should be given, in full knowledge that governments stance was to defer to all advice by NPHET.

Surely by now we are under no illusions of who is directing the management of this crisis.

Nope.

The Department of Health publish NPHET's sometimes rather lengthy and quite detailed letters to governance.

You should read them.

NPHET are purely advisory, the relevant departments, Covid sub committee and cabinet make the decisions.

You are equating the cabinet with accepting NPHET's advice which they don't always with NPHET running the show.

That's not reality.

Monster249

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

The Department of Health publish NPHET's sometimes rather lengthy and quite detailed letters to governance.

You should read them.

NPHET are purely advisory, the relevant departments, Covid sub committee and cabinet make the decisions.

You are equating the cabinet with accepting NPHET's advice which they don't always with NPHET running the show.

That's not reality.

If you truly believe the Government will ever act against NPHET again, discussing anything with you is a lost cause.

Boggles

Monster249 wrote: »

If you truly believe the Government will ever act against NPHET again, discussing anything with you is a lost cause.

They did just 2 weeks ago.

NPHET advised the return of just the Junior and Seniors, It was the governments decision to send back the first 4 years.

Now that may seem like a small thing, but in reality in means 100,000s of more daily contacts.

Scale.

CalamariFritti

Boggles wrote: »

Paul didn't claim 80% of restaurants.

Thought that was implied. Besides, even if it was 'only' 50%, so what? Its going to be a massive cull.

Monster249

dalyboy wrote: »

Question :
How is that the government going against NPHET ?

Don't get sucked in, it's futile.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

As long as they don't touch my gold plated public sector pension.

Although, it's important to max out the additional voluntary contributions too.

Fair play.

The divide in Irish society has never been so vast

Aph2016

Page after page seeing Boggles justify the lockdown continuing is increasing my blood pressure. Take a day off Tony.

Dutchboy352

Aph2016 wrote: »

Page after page seeing Boggles justify the lockdown continuing is increasing my blood pressure. Take a day off Tony.

He's entitled to post his opinion even if you don't like it

Stormyteacup

Boggles wrote: »

Nope.

The Department of Health publish NPHET's sometimes rather lengthy and quite detailed letters to governance.

You should read them.

NPHET are purely advisory, the relevant departments, Covid sub committee and cabinet make the decisions.

You are equating the cabinet with accepting NPHET's advice which they don't always with NPHET running the show.

That's not reality.

Well you’re of course entitled to continue to believe that NPHET have operated independently of the knowledge their sway has held over much of public opinion.

An advisory committee with full knowledge that any recommendations that they publicly announce will pressure government into accepting those recommendations. Government have been vocal throughout on deferring to NPHET advice.

The reality for me is that they have used the natural initial fear in the population, of what was twelve months ago a potentially deadly virus, to ensure their advice is predominant in determining government policy, and so rendering their narrow remit a success, to the great detriment of other serious issues.

Dutchboy352

Boggles wrote: »

They did just 2 weeks ago.

NPHET advised the return of just the Junior and Seniors, It was the governments decision to send back the first 4 years.

Now that may seem like a small thing, but in reality in means 100,000s of more daily contacts.

Scale.

Exactly it's a big call for NPHET and the gov to take and it makes rubbish of the whole narrative about Tony running the show some on Twitter spout

FintanMcluskey

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

Exactly it's a big call for NPHET and the gov to take and it makes rubbish of the whole narrative about Tony running the show some on Twitter spout

Haha.

You would think Ireland is leading the way with children going back to school with this stuff.

It’s a big call

Yeah well done NPHET, global leader on this point

MOR316

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

Exactly it's a big call for NPHET and the gov to take and it makes rubbish of the whole narrative about Tony running the show some on Twitter spout

Whether people like it or not, whether people want to admit it or not, Tony Holohan comes across as a narcisstic egotist!
He picks his media appearances to further his image and avoids the hard questions.

Facts!

If this ever ****ing ends, watch his next move...