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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #7892
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    This is literally a mash of numbers with no context

    I like the bit where you quarter the mash of numbers to imply that 500,000 becoming infected in a short space of time is actually realistic

    Gerry Killeen stuff

    Add teh fact that it's "with no vaccine effect" ... :rolleyes:


  • #7893
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    There wasn't a single mention of herd immunity in this thread up until a couple of weeks ago, not once. Prior to that it was all about getting the vulnerable vaccinated to protect them from serious illness and death. Now that we have a sizable proportion of that cohort done, suddenly the narrative has shifted to herd immunity and continued restrictions being needed regardless of whether the vulnerable are vaccinated or not.

    That's been the hallmark of the Government attitude & their supporters since last March. They shift the goalposts as needed to suit their agenda and seemingly disregard logic and reason.


  • #7894
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Boggles wrote: »
    R

    Your life "in full" whatever that entails, will resume in due course.

    You mentioned kids and mental health.

    The majority went back to school this week, hopefully in the next 2 weeks or so sports can resume for them.

    Not everything is doom and gloom.

    A full life , inolves a little risk , thats why people enjoy sports such as rugby / boxing and activities like moto sport / surf and such.

    As stated , I am not young, but I care for the long term damage caused to our younger generation of nearly a full year of disruption and lockdowns - I want the younger generation to have a full life.
    and I am so glad that children have returned to school, they seam happy , and that to me is what life is about.


  • #7895
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Hang on. The mantra was the need to get the vulnerable vaccinated to protect them. Now that's not good enough any more so now we need to get everyone vaccinated/herd immunity. Can't wait to see where the goalposts move to next.

    I think you will find that the mantra of 'lets get the vulnerable vaccinated so we can let it rip' or wtte was mainly coming from a select few.

    What the immediate priority is and has been clearly stated - is to vaccinate the most vulnerable – that is older people and frontline healthcare workers first. Then progress to all other cohorts organised by decreasing level of risk.


  • #7896
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    There wasn't a single mention of herd immunity in this thread up until a couple of weeks ago, not once. Prior to that it was all about getting the vulnerable vaccinated to protect them from serious illness and death. Now that we have a sizable proportion of that cohort done, suddenly the narrative has shifted to herd immunity and continued restrictions being needed regardless of whether the vulnerable are vaccinated or not.

    Of course there was, way before vaccines.

    But again this isn't a 6 parter on Netflix, it's reality. Things are fluid.

    Parts of Europe are beginning a new wave of infections and are having to close down again.

    Do you really want to open up, swamp the hospitals again and inevitably have to close down?

    Or should we continue opening up conservatively with prioritizing children and non covid health care whilst waiting a relatively small bit longer before ramping up the vaccine roll out?

    There is no cheat sheet I'm afraid, no easy solutions, just a bunch of shítty options.


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  • #7897
    Flyer1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭Flyer1


    Has anyone from government actually stopped and taken a look around.

    The vast majority don't give a rats about Level 5 - the roads are busy, people are meeting up in and outside of houses, half the country are going around with a fresh fade and a nice perm.

    I did my best to abide by restrictions, I wear my mask when needed, I wash my hands, I make a firm attempt to refrain from licking people as I walk by them in the supermarket.

    Now it's looking like I have to move to another country to get work again because my industry has been destroyed. I left Ireland in 2009 when there was no opportunity, now i'm faced with having to leave Ireland in 2021 because everything I spent the last 12 years working for has been destroyed by government policy. I love my country, I love my people but now I am finding myself wishing that maybe I don't have to ever come back here.


  • #7898
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Boggles wrote: »
    Right now it involves more risk, highly transmissible dangerous disease, etc. You are potential host, now I imagine you are thinking well I am X age and Y fitness so my chances.......Doesn't matter, it's not about you, it's about the collective.

    But again, no one should have to stay at home permanently nor are they being asked to.

    Your life "in full" whatever that entails, will resume in due course.

    You mentioned kids and mental health.

    The majority went back to school this week, hopefully in the next 2 weeks or so sports can resume for them.

    Not everything is doom and gloom.


    Personally I am way beyond caring about "the collective" they are not my concern.


  • #7899
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    thebaz wrote: »
    A full life , inolves a little risk , thats why people enjoy sports such as rugby / boxing and activities like moto sport / surf and such.

    As stated , I am not young, but I care for the long term damage caused to our younger generation of nearly a full year of disruption and lockdowns - I want the younger generation to have a full life.
    and I am so glad that children have returned to school, they seam happy , and that to me is what life is about    .

    And the majority returned to school, like I said.

    So very week, you'd agree?


  • #7900
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Personally I am way beyond caring about "the collective" they are not my concern.

    Good for you, your apathy will not open up anything faster though.


  • #7901
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    Boggles wrote: »
    And the majority returned to school, like I said.

    So very week, you'd agree?

    I said at the bottom of post I am delighted they have returned to school.


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  • #7902
    Hector Savage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    gozunda wrote: »
    So you think it's all a big conspiracy?

    Seriously though only those living under stones don't know that "vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level" It's been well explained many times.

    So moving on from that, therefore lets stay locked up forever even when entire population has had their 2 doses ... because "vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level"


  • #7903
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Monster249 wrote: »
    The cases aren't very high though. And even if they were, there has to be a point of acceptance here when we have to let things play out. we can't stay in lockdown forever because cases aren't getting any lower than they are now and that's a fact.

    People are sick and tired of restrictions and the stagnating markers of disease incidence prove that.

    They are higher than they were on the 20th of December.

    Id agree, a point would come where we would just have to let it play out, if there wasn't a highly effective vaccine that's going to resolve things in a short while.
    Imagine what history would write.
    "we decided as a country to let things play out and accept the extra two thousand deaths rather than wait just a couple more weeks because people cant live in lockdown forever"


  • #7904
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Boggles wrote: »
    Of course there was, way before vaccines.

    But again this isn't a 6 parter on Netflix, it's reality. Things are fluid.

    Parts of Europe are beginning a new wave of infections and are having to close down again.

    Do you really want to open up, swamp the hospitals again and inevitably have to close down?

    Or should we continue opening up conservatively with prioritizing children and non covid health care whilst waiting a relatively small bit longer before ramping up the vaccine roll out?

    There is no cheat sheet I'm afraid, no easy solutions, just a bunch of shítty options.

    Getting out via herd-immunity was first touted in this thread over 11 months ago.

    The OP was looking to do it via letting it spread, but I'm sure with hindsight would rather do it with vaccines now that they're available.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113034372&postcount=459


  • #7905
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    thebaz wrote: »
    I said at the bottom of post I am delighted they have returned to school.

    I know, So it's a good week.


  • #7906
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Boggles wrote: »
    Good for you, your apathy will not open up anything faster though.

    And your support will probably keep things closed longer... you must be delighted


  • #7907
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Boggles wrote: »
    Good for you, your apathy will not open up anything faster though.

    Quite the opposite in fact.


  • #7908
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Boggles wrote: »
    Of course there was, way before vaccines.

    But again this isn't a 6 parter on Netflix, it's reality. Things are fluid.

    Parts of Europe are beginning a new wave of infections and are having to close down again.

    Do you really want to open up, swamp the hospitals again and inevitably have to close down?

    Or should we continue opening up conservatively with prioritizing children and non covid health care whilst waiting a relatively small bit longer before ramping up the vaccine roll out?

    There is no cheat sheet I'm afraid, no easy solutions, just a bunch of shítty options.

    Nope. Search the history of the thread. Not a single mention until the start of March. And now we have posters screaming and shouting about herd immunity all of a sudden.

    Also why would the hospitals be swamped if the people who make up the substantial majority of hospitalisations are vaccinated?


  • #7909
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    And your support will probably keep things closed longer... you must be delighted

    My support?

    :pac:

    What do you want me to do, don horns and animal skin and attack the LA?


  • #7910
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    So moving on from that, therefore lets stay locked up forever even when entire population has had their 2 doses ... because "vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level"

    A point will come when Ireland has vaccinated all citizens, Summer 2022 likely, and then someone will realise we need to start vaccinating the vulnerable again.

    Gona be a long few months until some of the chaps on here realise we need to start living with Covid pronto, before the economy collapses entirely


  • #7911
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    And your support will probably keep things closed longer... you must be delighted

    Understanding why restrictions are necessary is far from being delighted at the prospect.


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  • #7912
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    A point will come when Ireland has vaccinated all citizens, Summer 2022 likely, and then someone will realise we need to start vaccinating the vulnerable again.

    I see we're back in the fact free zone again.


  • #7913
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Graham wrote: »
    Understanding why restrictions are necessary is far from being delighted at the prospect.

    Looks very like supporting and encouraging them to me...

    In Ireland they are failing, simple as that.


  • #7914
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,680 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    RobitTV wrote: »
    Many of the Independent TD's seem to be speaking much differently compared to the mainstream parties

    Lockdowns should be applied at a local level – TD Verona Murphy

    The government should look at lifting restrictions in local electoral areas free of Covid-19, according to Independent TD Verona Murphy.

    The Wexford TD said that a plan is needed beyond the current Level 5 restrictions that are in place.

    Irish Independent

    Purely populism to drum up a few votes from frustrated locals, there's no joined up thinking in that at all.
    Open up in Wexford and Verona would be back on in a couple of weeks complaining of the influx of Dubs in the area.


  • #7915
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Hector Savage wrote: »
    So moving on from that, therefore lets stay locked up forever even when entire population has had their 2 doses ... because "vaccines aren't 100% protective on an individual level"

    Nope. The question has already been answered

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116626753&postcount=7965


  • #7916
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Also why would the hospitals be swamped if the people who make up the substantial majority of hospitalisations are vaccinated?

    It’s time we got a breakdown of the data of the exact profiles of those in ICU

    Age, BMI underlying conditions etc

    Enough of the anecdotal 6 foot 5 inch 22 year olds who were fit as fiddles and ended up in ICU

    Give us the info to risk access if we are vulnerable or not

    If the information isn’t easily available get Detective Mai Mannix on the case, a mighty Doctor for uncovering the truth


  • #7917
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Nope. Search the history of the thread. Not a single mention until the start of March.

    But there was no mention of herd immunity 5 minutes ago, according to you?
    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Also why would the hospitals be swamped if the people who make up the substantial majority of hospitalisations are vaccinated?

    That's exactly where we seem to be going with it.


  • #7918
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Looks very like supporting and encouraging them to me...

    Yes I support them and encourage people to adhere to them because....

    I understand why they are necessary......

    Does that mean I'm delighted at the prospect...

    No. I like my freedom every bit as much as everyone else. The fastest way I can see it returned is to get things under control quickly.


  • #7919
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,499 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Boggles wrote: »
    But there was no mention of herd immunity 5 minutes ago, according to you?
    .

    What are you on about? There was no mention of herd immunity in this thread until a couple of weeks ago. Now it's everywhere.


  • #7920
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    It’s time we got a breakdown of the data of the exact profiles of those in ICU

    Age, BMI underlying conditions etc

    Enough of the anecdotal 6 foot 5 inch 22 year olds who were fit as fiddles and ended up in ICU

    Give us the info to risk access if we are vulnerable or not

    If the information isn’t easily available get Detective Mai Mannix on the case, a mighty Doctor for uncovering the truth

    Jaysus for someone who claims not to watch that Cook Book Grifter you do parrot an awful lot of his nonsense.


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  • #7921
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Graham wrote: »
    Yes I support them and encourage people to adhere to them because....

    I understand why they are necessary......

    Does that mean I'm delighted at the prospect...

    No. I like my freedom every bit as much as everyone else. The fastest way I can see it returned is to get things under control quickly.

    I disagree, the lockdown is failing, people dont care as much as you... there needs to be a rethink and a drive to get the vaccine in country and distributed.


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