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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #7592
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,320 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    What difference does it make in how they closed whether it was by force or not. The fact is they will be open again and taking mass goers from the south from the 23rd hence making our shower act sooner than later.. It will be great crack watching people go to mass across the border with it all closed here. Mass first pubs next hopefully,

    So a section that chose to close gives it's members a date when they can choose to open and that's going to force the government to open churches and pubs?

    Bit of a reach there.


  • #7593
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-advice-on-working-from-home-travel-to-remain-until-june-nphet-1.4513955

    At this stage the Irish public will lap up anything , if they said ther was to be no easing up until August, the public and media would just compiantly nod ther head - provided the free money keeps rolling in, if that stopped we might get a different re-action.


  • #7594
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    thebaz wrote: »
    No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-advice-on-working-from-home-travel-to-remain-until-june-nphet-1.4513955

    Doesn't say that anywhere in the article.


  • #7595
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    So a section that chose to close gives it's members a date when they can choose to open and that's going to force the government to open churches and pubs?

    Bit of a reach there.

    So when they open in the North it wouldn't have an effect on government policy down here? . We will see who is right .


  • #7596
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,320 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    thebaz wrote: »
    No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-advice-on-working-from-home-travel-to-remain-until-june-nphet-1.4513955

    At this stage the Irish public will lap up anything , if they said ther was to be no easing up until August, the public and media would just compiantly nod ther head - provided the free money keeps rolling in, if that stopped we might get a different re-action.

    Nowhere in the article does it say no relaxation of restrictions though....


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  • #7597
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Nowhere in the article does it say no relaxation of restrictions though....
    VonLuck wrote: »
    Doesn't say that anywhere in the article.

    Exactly. It references WFH and Travel. To be honest it’s pretty obvious there wasn’t going to be any change in advise for either for a while yet, so hardly the biggest shock.


  • #7598
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Nowhere in the article does it say no relaxation of restrictions though....

    well it certainly reads as more of the same , with little indication of relaxation of restrictions.
    Whatever happened to the Living with Covid plan , surely it could be implemted once the vulnerable get vaccinated ?


  • #7599
    Akesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭Akesh


    thebaz wrote: »
    No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-advice-on-working-from-home-travel-to-remain-until-june-nphet-1.4513955

    At this stage the Irish public will lap up anything , if they said ther was to be no easing up until August, the public and media would just compiantly nod ther head - provided the free money keeps rolling in, if that stopped we might get a different re-action.

    In fairness, the media have no interest in facts, it's entertainment and it's about time modern 'journalism' was treated as such. Covid has just brought this into the spotlight. RTE keep setting the bar lower and lower.


  • #7600
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    thebaz wrote: »
    well it certainly reads as more of the same , with little indication of relaxation of restrictions.
    Whatever happened to the Living with Covid plan , surely it could be implemted once the vulnerable get vaccinated ?

    You're deliberately misleading people just to fuel the fire. I don't think anyone expected to be travelling abroad by June and working from home wasn't exactly top priority for getting back to normal. I would prefer that everyone gets back into employment before those already working go back to their offices.


  • #7601
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    VonLuck wrote: »
    You're deliberately misleading people just to fuel the fire. I don't think anyone expected to be travelling abroad by June and working from home wasn't exactly top priority for getting back to normal. I would prefer that everyone gets back into employment before those already working go back to their offices.

    I will say it again - it reads of more of the same - and I am one of the many who has lost my work to this pandemic, and had a horrific toll on my mental health, so less of the jibes.


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  • #7602
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    thebaz wrote: »
    I will say it again - it reads of more of the same - and I am one of the many who has lost my work to this pandemic, and had a horrific toll on my mental health, so less of the jibes.

    exactly it's just more of the same kicking the can down the road, its half the year written off. june becomes July becomes august


  • #7603
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    thebaz wrote: »
    I will say it again - it reads of more of the same - and I am one of the many who has lost my work to this pandemic, and had a horrific toll on my mental health, so less of the jibes.

    What does you having lost your job have to do with you presenting false information?! A lot of people will just read your comment without looking at the article and assume that they're the facts.


  • #7604
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    thebaz wrote: »
    No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/covid-19-advice-on-working-from-home-travel-to-remain-until-june-nphet-1.4513955

    At this stage the Irish public will lap up anything , if they said ther was to be no easing up until August, the public and media would just compiantly nod ther head - provided the free money keeps rolling in, if that stopped we might get a different re-action.

    This still makes me smile, and although I agree with it I believe every citizen should be offered the opportunity, vaccinated or not.
    Nphet will publish “conservative” guidelines in the coming fortnight allowing greater freedom for vaccinated older people to visit and meet others, Dr Glynn said.

    The vulnerable are vaccinated, society has made sacrifices socially and economically that the vulnerable themselves never had to do to protect their elders, and they will get back to normal likely more than a year before every citizen is offered a vaccine.

    I wonder what the 60,000 construction workers laid off long term and many of which are looking for work abroad think reading stuff like that?


  • #7605
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    VonLuck wrote: »
    What does you having lost your job have to do with you presenting false information?! A lot of people will just read your comment without looking at the article and assume that they're the facts.

    Its my interpretation of the article - and I will say it again - to me it reads of more of the same - I even linked the article for people to read (and interpret) - you were the one metnioning employment, and I stated I am one who has lost mine -


  • #7606
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    We can bitch here all we want.Tony houlihan has the country in an iron grip and ain’t letting go anytime this yr.a useless government led by a waste of space In Martin.we’re finished as the so called fighting Irish cause we are going to let this roll on and on


  • #7607
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    VonLuck wrote: »
    You're deliberately misleading people just to fuel the fire. I don't think anyone expected to be travelling abroad by June and working from home wasn't exactly top priority for getting back to normal. I would prefer that everyone gets back into employment before those already working go back to their offices.

    That doesn't really make sense. If people were getting back to their employment in shops, pubs, factories, hotels etc why would you want to stop people going back to work in offices?


  • #7608
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    VonLuck wrote: »
    What does you having lost your job have to do with you presenting false information?! A lot of people will just read your comment without looking at the article and assume that they're the facts.

    Give it a break.


  • #7609
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The vulnerable are vaccinated, society has made sacrifices socially and economically that the vulnerable themselves never had to do to protect their elders, and they will get back to normal likely more than a year before every citizen is offered a vaccine.

    I wonder what the 60,000 construction workers laid off long term and many of which are looking for work abroad think reading stuff like that?

    The deeper you dig, the crazier it gets , have to tune out now - even interacting here depreses me, society has turned on each other. Happens here, and in the real world , people are divided and angry.


  • #7610
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    That article poses an interesting dilemma for the government. The EU are going to allow travel without quarantine within the member states as long as people are either vaccinated or have a negative test. NPHET are saying no to that. So where does that leave us as citizens of the EU exactly?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7611
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    JRant wrote: »
    That article poses an interesting dilemma for the government. The EU are going to allow travel without quarantine within the member states as long as people are either vaccinated or have a negative test. NPHET are saying no to that. So where does that leave us as citizens of the EU exactly?

    You could bring a case probably but it'll take so long to get sorted what would be the point.


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  • #7612
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    thebaz wrote: »
    The deeper you dig, the crazier it gets , have to tune out now - even interacting here depreses me, society has turned on each other. Happens here, and in the real world , people are divided and angry.

    Me too. I'm off now. I can only take a few minutes of this before I get really down.
    I feel so powerless against this dogmatic self important crowd of medicos and their government lackeys.
    We can't protest. The media love the status quo, so they're no help. I am no radical but I wish there was a way to express my anger and despair.
    I actually think a national strike is what's required. But I bet the unions are probably as bad as the Shinners on this.


  • #7613
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    thebaz wrote: »
    Its my interpretation of the article - and I will say it again - to me it reads of more of the same - I even linked the article for people to read (and interpret) - you were the one metnioning employment, and I stated I am one who has lost mine -

    Well in fairness you explicitly said "No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-" and then linked the article. Not exactly an interpretation but an expression of fact.
    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    That doesn't really make sense. If people were getting back to their employment in shops, pubs, factories, hotels etc why would you want to stop people going back to work in offices?

    How does it not make sense? I said that I would prefer the unemployed to get back working before worrying about people being stuck at home but employed. I didn't say anything about not wanting people going back to their offices.


  • #7614
    Deusexmachina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,294 ✭✭✭Deusexmachina


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Well in fairness you explicitly said "No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-" and then linked the article. Not exactly an interpretation but an expression of fact.



    How does it not make sense? I said that I would prefer the unemployed to get back working before worrying about people being stuck at home but employed. I didn't say anything about not wanting people going back to their offices.

    My patience with semantics and finger pointing is long gone. Take a hike.


  • #7615
    thebaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,883 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    VonLuck wrote: »
    Well in fairness you explicitly said "No relaxation of Restrictions until end of June :-" and then linked the article. Not exactly an interpretation but an expression of fact.

    **** sake, its a public internet forum, not a court of law.
    Besides I never said it was fact , its my interpretation.


  • #7616
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    titan18 wrote: »
    You could bring a case probably but it'll take so long to get sorted what would be the point.

    More of a thought exercise really, particularly around people getting massive fines going to the airport. Sure, the government set the rules here but can they supercede EU directives?

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7617
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,655 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Jesus, the amount of medics playing Inspector Clouseau is getting out of hand.
    The briefing heard a number of examples of recent extended outbreaks in the mid-west. In one, six households were hit as a result of inter-household mixing, resulting in more than 20 cases.

    “It’s what happens when people visit each other for cups of tea, a beer or a chat, and aren’t protected,” said public health doctor Dr Mai Mannix.

    One of the cases brought the disease into their workplace, resulting in five more cases. One of those cases brought it home where the rest of the household was infected.

    In a second example, one case caused 30 others in a healthcare setting. One of these cases was brought home and spread to the family, and to other members of the extended family via a funeral.

    In a third case, involving 40 cases in a workplace setting, Dr Mannix said there appeared to have been slippage, when staff congregated at smoking breaks, which encouraged the wider spread of the virus.

    If journalism was still alive in Ireland, somebody would ask why is our vulnerable death rate so high when compared to other countries, in spite of Ireland having longer and more suppressive community mitigation measures


  • #7618
    VonLuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,466 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Deusexmachina wrote: »
    My patience with semantics and finger pointing is long gone. Take a hike.

    You asked a question, I answered. Now you tell me to take a hike? Can't even have a civilized debate anymore!
    thebaz wrote: »
    **** sake, its a public internet forum, not a court of law.
    Besides I never said it was fact , its my interpretation.

    What I'm getting at is that a large part of unrest is related to misinformation. People reading random things online, whether it's a comment on Boards, a tweet from some randomer or a post from a Facebook group and it being taken at face value. No one does their own research and end up being blinded by confirmation bias, almost seeking out bad news to reinforce however they're feeling.


  • #7619
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Jesus, the amount of medics playing Inspector Clouseau is getting out of hand.



    If journalism was still alive in Ireland, somebody would ask why is our vulnerable death rate so high when compared to other countries, in spite of Ireland having longer and more suppressive community mitigation measures

    That example and Dr Wallet from earlier in the week are only going to stop people from divulging information to these clowns. Why would anyone volunteer any info now if there's a chance it's going to end up in a national press conference. It completely undermines the entire test and trace process.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7620
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,236 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    VonLuck wrote: »
    You asked a question, I answered. Now you tell me to take a hike? Can't even have a civilized debate anymore!



    What I'm getting at is that a large part of unrest is related to misinformation. People reading random things online, whether it's a comment on Boards, a tweet from some randomer or a post from a Facebook group and it being taken at face value. No one does their own research and end up being blinded by confirmation bias, almost seeking out bad news to reinforce however they're feeling.

    The biggest source of misinformation is actually the government these days. Multiple mixed messages from an assortment of ministers. MM and Leo saying one thing to the public and then giving the party faithful a different message.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #7621
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    JRant wrote: »
    The biggest source of misinformation is actually the government these days. Multiple mixed messages from an assortment of ministers. MM and Leo saying one thing to the public and then giving the party faithful a different message.

    Very true, like the no covid in schools


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