Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok fair enough.

Irish Covid is more dangerous than all other Covid’s so we can’t follow the science every other county across the globe is following

Would if be safe to assume you're skipping over countries that are already facing another wave and increasing restrictions?

Great finally get the official report from the EMA that the AZ vaccine is safe.

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

Would if be safe to assume you're skipping over countries that are already facing another wave and increasing restrictions?

Ah, the old lockdown to avoid another lockdown theory.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ok fair enough.

Irish Covid is more dangerous than all other Covid’s so we can’t follow the science every other county across the globe is following

What's your opinion on the manaus variant seeming as you "follow the science"?

JRant

big syke wrote: »

Oh would you cop on.

So if you have a broken leg and cannot drive to your medical appointment and get your partenr to drive is that breaking restrictions?

Examples are given not an exhaustive list.

Less of the personal insults please. I've been nothing but polite to you.

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

Great finally get the official report from the EMA that the AZ vaccine is safe.

Great news.

Fantastic stuff

It’s really good to have insider information on here.

Really separates the wheat from the chaff.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah, the old lockdown to avoid another lockdown theory.

Lockdown to prevent mortality excess? That would be my understanding.

Graham

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ah, the old lockdown to avoid another lockdown theory.

You could have just said Yes, I am conveniently ignoring those countries.

JRant

big syke wrote: »

Its not daft. You just have trouble understanding this i think.

Driving your granny to the doctor isnt on the list because there is no point or need to have a list for every conceivable situation that can arise.

So, it's not on the list, great to have cleared that one up.

JRant

JRant wrote: »

So, it's not on the list, great to have cleared that one up.

Its ok to say "jeez, I was wrong that one, the list was only examples of reasonable excuses and never intended or portrayed as an exhaustive list"

Boggles

JRant wrote: »

So, it's not on the list, great to have cleared that one up.

Put down the shovel FFS.

Coillte_Bhoy

JRant wrote: »

So, it's not on the list, great to have cleared that one up.

Aren't you the poster who didnt give a '****e' about this issue yesterday afternoon? Soemthing changed eh?

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Great news.

Fantastic stuff

It’s really good to have insider information on here.

Really separates the wheat from the chaff.

I just "follow the science" as do you apparently.

Monster249

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you need to be reminded again Fintan that its not about the individual activity, its the suite of activities that are assessed in combination to reduce contacts by a required amount

What an absolute load of ****e. Evidence-based, rational decision-making has left the building.

ypres5

5 blood clots out of 11 million uk doses. real worry there...

Timmy O Toole

ypres5 wrote: »

5 blood clots out of 11 million uk doses. real worry there...

Yes very deeply concerning..

El_Duderino 09

ypres5 wrote: »

5 blood clots out of 11 million uk doses. real worry there...

Well, adjusting for sarcasm, that's exactly what the EU (EMA) said today. They looked at it and decided it's not a problem and it's safe to carry on administering the vaccination.

niallo27

Deleted User wrote: »

Lockdown to prevent mortality excess? That would be my understanding.

Where do we stop though, is it just covid, or should we lockdown for any transmissible disease that could cause excess deaths. Flu causes 300-500 excess deaths, should we stay in level 5 to save these lives too. When do we say, people will die and we have to come to terms with that.

Where's the risk assessment that accounted for potential deaths and other suffering caused by lockdown and the fallout thereof and balanced it against potential Covid deaths?

Have NPHET ever addressed any consequences of level 5 beyond "frustrations"?

Captain_Crash

Timmy O Toole wrote: »

Yes very deeply concerning..

The next 14 jabs are crucial

ypres5

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, adjusting for sarcasm, that's exactly what the EU (EMA) said today. They looked at it and decided it's not a problem and it's safe to carry on administering the vaccination.

it's half a week wasted over nothing

El_Duderino 09

ypres5 wrote: »

it's half a week wasted over nothing

I don't agree that they should have stopped administration. But since we have so little AZ vaccine supply, the 5 days is of little consequence. They shuld make it up in another few days and we'll be back to normal.

Considering that they did stop and the EMA looked into it to see if there was a problem, they reached the conclusion we wanted them to reach, right?

the kelt

niallo27 wrote: »

Where do we stop though, is it just covid, or should we lockdown for any transmissible disease that could cause excess deaths. Flu causes 300-500 excess deaths, should we stay in level 5 to save these lives too. When do we say, people will die and we have to come to terms with that.

Are you mad!!!

Sure only COVID deaths matter.

Now if they relabel The Flu as Covid 19.1235462 variant (b) then yep we can lock down again!

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

it's half a week wasted over nothing

If we had the stringent medication safety checks we have today, thalidomide scandal would have never happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/booming/the-death-and-afterlife-of-thalidomide.html

niallo27

niallo27 wrote: »

Where do we stop though, is it just covid, or should we lockdown for any transmissible disease that could cause excess deaths. Flu causes 300-500 excess deaths, should we stay in level 5 to save these lives too. When do we say, people will die and we have to come to terms with that.

No excess mortality due to flu this year.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/20202021season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week%2010%202021_Final%20V1.0.pdf

Klonker

Deleted User wrote: »

No excess mortality due to flu this year.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/20202021season/Influenza_Surveillance_Report_Week%2010%202021_Final%20V1.0.pdf

But Leo warned that the flu could be back with a bang this winter so we may need future lockdowns to protect the health service.

Klonker

Klonker wrote: »

But Leo warned that the flu could be back with a bang this winter so we may need future lockdowns to protect the health service.

To be honest, if flu season had happened, that along with covid would have collapsed the hospitals.

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If we had the stringent medication safety checks we have today, thalidomide scandal would have never happened.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/23/booming/the-death-and-afterlife-of-thalidomide.html

because medical testing and oversight is the exact same as it was in the 1950s. hasn't changed a bit

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

because medical testing and oversight is the exact same as it was in the 1950s. hasn't changed a bit

That's why the AZ vaccine was deferred to establish a risk- benefit analysis....

I don't know how I could put it any simpler....

Graham

niallo27 wrote: »

Where do we stop though, is it just covid, or should we lockdown for any transmissible disease that could cause excess deaths.

Covid cos you know, the current global pandemic thingy that's going on around you.

If you start a thread about other communicable diseases that you think are hypothetically lockdown worthy, be sure to let me know.