Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

RandomViewer · 17-03-2021 05:09PM

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Doesn't say much for Fine Gael long term if that's the only voter they've got. 20 years time a lot of them will be dead.

Sure what have they to offer anyone? Elitist pricks that only speak to you when they have too, up to their eyes in crime,

zanador · 17-03-2021 05:21PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Sure what have they to offer anyone? Elitist pricks that only speak to you when they have too, up to their eyes in crime,

I live in a place with multiple council estates, and hap, etc etc. When I moved into a social housing house in a mixed estate (like council but privately managed by a company and a few different rules) a local fg councillor who I've known years was a) surprised I was council because I don't 'sound like it' and because I work and b) had never met anyone in council before. The man is in his sixties and has been a councillor for about 30 of them.

Not saying they're all.like that but when it comes to vulnerable communities we turn to other parties for help - actually wouldn't even occur to me to go to FG councillors at all.

dubrov · 17-03-2021 05:42PM

zanador wrote:

I live in a place with multiple council estates, and hap, etc etc. When I moved into a social housing house in a mixed estate (like council but privately managed by a company and a few different rules) a local fg councillor who I've known years was a) surprised I was council because I don't 'sound like it' and because I work and b) had never met anyone in council before. The man is in his sixties and has been a councillor for about 30 of them.

zanador wrote:

Not saying they're all.like that but when it comes to vulnerable communities we turn to other parties for help - actually wouldn't even occur to me to go to FG councillors at all.

Sounds like a numpty but in fairness, there aren't likely many votes in a council estate for a FG candidate. In the same way, I can't see SF focusing their campaign in Foxrock.

zanador · 17-03-2021 06:03PM

dubrov wrote: »

Sounds like a numpty but in fairness, there aren't likely many votes in a council estate for a FG candidate. In the same way, I can't see SF focusing their campaign in Foxrock.

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

RandomViewer · 17-03-2021 06:14PM

dubrov wrote: »

Sounds like a numpty but in fairness, there aren't likely many votes in a council estate for a FG candidate. In the same way, I can't see SF focusing their campaign in Foxrock.

SDLP lost most of their support up North with notions like that

dubrov · 17-03-2021 06:26PM

zanador wrote: »

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

It's not surprising that voters are drawn towards parties with policies most likely to benefit themselves.

dubrov · 17-03-2021 06:30PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

SDLP lost most of their support up North with notions like that

The SDLP are a left wing party and had strong support in council estates up North. Your comparison makes no sense.

RandomViewer · 17-03-2021 06:56PM

dubrov wrote: »

The SDLP are a left wing party and had strong support in council estates up North. Your comparison makes no sense.

Not bothering to canvass where they thought there were no votes, poster said there would be few votes for SF in Foxrock but I'd would be fairly sure they still did the doors,

blanch152 · 17-03-2021 08:26PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Sure what have they to offer anyone? Elitist pricks that only speak to you when they have too, up to their eyes in crime,

Classy indeed.

Laughable to claim that FG are up to their eyes in crime.

blanch152 · 17-03-2021 08:27PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Most Guards vote for FG, fact

If it is a fact, you will have a link to something to prove it.

Otherwise, it's just a prejudiced opinion.

BackOfMyBag · 17-03-2021 08:36PM

"laughable to claim that fine gael are up to their eyes in crime"

personally i think its even more laughable that they used to think of themselves as being the law and order party !
tax evasion and violent assault, insurance fraud , expenses fraud ,and now there leader has been caught red handed being corrupt and is possibly facing criminal charges and a trial !!!!

there and fianna fails times are both running out, varadkar is being heavily bet upon to be gone before summer I seen today !

Johnthemanager · 17-03-2021 09:03PM

BackOfMyBag wrote: »

"laughable to claim that fine gael are up to their eyes in crime"

personally i think its even more laughable that they used to think of themselves as being the law and order party !
tax evasion and violent assault, insurance fraud , expenses fraud ,and now there leader has been caught red handed being corrupt and is possibly facing criminal charges and a trial !!!!

there and fianna fails times are both running out, varadkar is being heavily bet upon to be gone before summer I seen today !

Isn't there a current senator who assaulted a sleeping man with a bar of chocolate at a music festival?

Isn't he also awaiting trial for another serious assault?

smurgen · 17-03-2021 09:04PM

BackOfMyBag wrote: »

"laughable to claim that fine gael are up to their eyes in crime"

personally i think its even more laughable that they used to think of themselves as being the law and order party !
tax evasion and violent assault, insurance fraud , expenses fraud ,and now there leader has been caught red handed being corrupt and is possibly facing criminal charges and a trial !!!!

there and fianna fails times are both running out, varadkar is being heavily bet upon to be gone before summer I seen today !

And all of that is the stuff that we know about with a media that is sympathetic to them. Imagine we had journalists that held them to the same standards as other parties. There'd be alot unearthed.

Rows Grower · 17-03-2021 09:12PM

Johnthemanager wrote: »

Isn't there a current senator who assaulted a sleeping man with a bar of chocolate at a music festival?

Isn't he also awaiting trial for another serious assault?

This is beyond the beyond stuff.

James Brown · 17-03-2021 09:38PM

smurgen wrote: »

And all of that is the stuff that we know about with a media that is sympathetic to them. Imagine we had journalists that held them to the same standards as other parties. There'd be alot unearthed.

They either don't realise or don't care about the knock on effect their cronyism has on society.

smurgen · 17-03-2021 10:01PM

James Brown wrote: »

They either don't realise or don't care about the knock on effect their cronyism has on society.

They realize. It's arrogance,narcissism and greed.

Johnthemanager · 17-03-2021 10:47PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

This is beyond the beyond stuff.

I take it you know the story?

jpfahy · 17-03-2021 10:54PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Most Guards vote for FG, fact

Actually Guards have traditionally voted FF as they always gave pay increases whereas
FG did not

Rows Grower · 17-03-2021 10:54PM

Johnthemanager wrote: »

I take it you know the story?

First I heard of it was on here tonight.

I don't think I want to hear the details to be quite honest.

Johnthemanager · 17-03-2021 11:02PM

Rows Grower wrote: »

First I heard of it was on here tonight.

I don't think I want to hear the details to be quite honest.

Vile stuff. Party of law and order indeed.

markodaly · 17-03-2021 11:54PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Most Guards vote for FG, fact

Source? :pac:

markodaly · 17-03-2021 11:57PM

James Brown wrote: »

Yes, based on facts.

What facts?
Show us these 'facts' where FG or Leo or the government exercise editorial control over the Irish Times or RTE.

I would suggest it's an opinion ..

Oh, so now its not a fact, merely an opinion, an unproven one at that and these false.

OK, good to know at least you have nothing to back up your statement.

Johnthemanager · 18-03-2021 01:30AM

markodaly wrote: »

What facts?
Show us these 'facts' where FG or Leo or the government exercise editorial control over the Irish Times or RTE.

Oh, so now its not a fact, merely an opinion, an unproven one at that and these false.

OK, good to know at least you have nothing to back up your statement.

Mark Tighe reported in The Times in August of last year, that a representative of Denis o brien had rang someone in INM to take "whatever steps are reasonably necessary" to prevent a story about Phil hogan being printed in that weekends independent.

Denis o brien is fine gaels sugar daddy, as was seen with all the "deals" he did with Michael lowry etc and the massive amounts of money he donates to the party.

James Brown · 18-03-2021 01:49AM

markodaly wrote: »

What facts?
Show us these 'facts' where FG or Leo or the government exercise editorial control over the Irish Times or RTE.

Oh, so now its not a fact, merely an opinion, an unproven one at that and these false.

OK, good to know at least you have nothing to back up your statement.

If you read back its all there. Not reposting chief.
I'd stated an opinion based on the facts. Thats how people roll.
Seriously you are looking foolish. Best read back before trying to get involved.
The opinion referenced wasn't even mine

markodaly · 18-03-2021 03:08AM

James Brown wrote: »

If you read back its all there. Not reposting chief.

I did read back and no, there is no proof available or posted to support the claim that FG/Leo/Government have editorial control over RTE or the Irish Times.
None.
Nada.
Not a bit.
Zilch.
Zero.
Not any....

Stop trying to 'pretend' something was posted or happened when you know well that its fairytales.

You can of course remove all doubt by posting up some proof. Otherwise, we are all aware of the fact that there is none available.

markodaly · 18-03-2021 03:12AM

Johnthemanager wrote: »

Mark Tighe reported in The Times in August of last year, that a representative of Denis o brien had rang someone in INM to take "whatever steps are reasonably necessary" to prevent a story about Phil hogan being printed in that weekends independent.

Care to link to this story?

massive amounts of money he donates to the party.

That isn't true at all by the way.

10000maniacs · 18-03-2021 04:21AM

jmcc wrote: »

This is a live criminal investigation into the activities of one Leo Varadkar who was taoiseach and admitted leaking a confidential document to his friend. The results of the Garda investigation will be submitted to the DPP. Your leader is the subject of a criminal investigation. He's not quite the honourable FG type, is he? Otherwise he would have had the decency to have stood down while being investigated.

Regards...jmcc

Why didn't Mary Lou demand Gerry Adams stand down while the PSNI arrested him and were investigating him re a crime: Jean McConville’s murder in 2014?
Double standards?

caveat emptor · 18-03-2021 06:22AM

Anyone saying there was no material benefit in the action of sharing the document needs to read this letter.
That is a very clear and specific threat to Fine Gael and by extension Leo.

Sharing the document was clearly intended to diffuse this threat.

The fact it's even being debated shows how corruption is endemic.

https://twitter.com/pohara/status/1372155473034612740?s=20

McMurphy · 18-03-2021 08:04AM

10000maniacs wrote: »

Why didn't Mary Lou demand Gerry Adams stand down while the PSNI arrested him and were investigating him re a crime: Jean McConville’s murder in 2014?
Double standards?

There's some fairly obvious differences in the two scenario's.

Adams denied any involvement in the Jean Mcconville saga (and was subsequently deemed to have no case to answer), whereas Leo has admitted to his actions - hence why the investigation was upgraded to a criminal one, and charges might be forthcoming.

Also, it goes back to the well used analogy - would you leave a carer in charge of your elderly parents or your kids if they were accused of beating them?

The real double standards here are why others resigned for misleading the Dail, and Leo hasn't. The most comparable example of course being the last FG Tanaiste (justice minister at the time) who resigned for misleading the Dail.

Leo thinks he's of different stock though apparently.

Obviously there's the little fact that Michaél was threatening to bring down the govt last time if the Tanaiste didn't walk. This time Michaél knows if the Tanaiste walks, the govt will also likely be brought down but the polls aren't friends of his own or his coalition partners right now.

Party before country..

Brendan Bendar · 18-03-2021 10:04AM

McMurphy wrote: »

There's some fairly obvious differences in the two scenario's.

Adams denied any involvement in the Jean Mcconville saga (and was subsequently deemed to have no case to answer), whereas Leo has admitted to his actions - hence why the investigation was upgraded to a criminal one, and charges might be forthcoming.

Also, it goes back to the well used analogy - would you leave a carer in charge of your elderly parents or your kids if they were accused of beating them?

The real double standards here are why others resigned for misleading the Dail, and Leo hasn't. The most comparable example of course being the last FG Tanaiste (justice minister at the time) who resigned for misleading the Dail.

Leo thinks he's of different stock though apparently.

Obviously there's the little fact that Michaél was threatening to bring down the govt last time if the Tanaiste didn't walk. This time Michaél knows if the Tanaiste walks, the govt will also likely be brought down but the polls aren't friends of his own or his coalition partners right now.

Party before country..

I think Michael has more on his plate for the running of this country rather than worrying whether LV ‘walks’ or not.

Some folk actually have a genuine concern for their country dude.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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