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Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why did Dara Colleary resign?

Because it could be seen he broke covid restrictions.

Which goes back to our point about Michelle O Neill being under investigation by the PSNI for breaking covid restrictions, yet she hasn't resigned.

Do you think she should?

James Brown

costacorta wrote: »

Yep you’re right there so let the Garda do their job and don’t be listening to Mary the moaner . Wait for the Garda to make a decision and if he is found guilty then yes he should go .

Why?
Will it change what he did either way?

Floppybits wrote: »

Is it or is it showing the public what an arrogant person he is? I suppose it depends on the view point, me I would see as the leader of the country being arrogant and unprofessional and someone out of his depth. Basically rather than face up to the issue he has gone into hiding and hoping this all goes away.

Bratty of MM to react in such a manner.
Basically FF/FG won't deal with or respect anything SF related. Considering how well they did in the election it really speaks to the civil war party mentality.

blanch152 wrote: »

Nothing compared to a criminal investigation into perjury.
Nothing compared to a criminal investigation into membership of the PIRA.
Nothing compared to a criminal investigation into a murder conspiracy charge.

SF leader didn't step aside during those.

Japers, calm down. It's not Eamon Ryan under criminal investigation for something he admitted to.

James Brown

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Because it could be seen he broke covid restrictions.

Which goes back to our point about Michelle O Neill being under investigation by the PSNI for breaking covid restrictions, yet she hasn't resigned.

Do you think she should?

So Leo Varadkar didn't leak a confidential government negotiation document to his pal?

Jinglejangle69

James Brown wrote: »

So Leo Varadkar didn't leak a confidential government negotiation document to his pal?

Huh??

golfball37

blanch152 wrote: »

You can't deny people the right to hold certain views, that is typical of a totalitarian approach, similar to the type of terrorist hold that SF/IRA had over the nationalists in the North, do it our way or get shot.

Leo Varadkar has not been charged with any crime. If he is, then I will consider my view. In my opinion, no crime has been committed.

Nobody is denying you anything even your right to once again bring SF into a reply when it had no relevance.
I don’t believe what he did was a crime either but unlike you I believe he should be turfed out on lack of political ethics alone basis. It’s no way to do politics and he’s a cancer for FG in terms of the floating voter like myself.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Because it could be seen he broke covid restrictions.

Guidelines, with no legal standing. Breaking the official secrets act is on another level.

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Guidelines, with no legal standing. Breaking the official secrets act is on another level.

Well best off we let the Gards decide that one ay.

It's good to live in a country with proper due process and courts.

Not the SF/IRA way of deciding if someone is guilty or not through a kangaroo court.

Jinglejangle69

golfball37 wrote: »

Nobody is denying you anything even your right to once again bring SF into a reply when it had no relevance.
I don’t believe what he did was a crime either but unlike you I believe he should be turfed out on lack of political ethics alone basis. It’s no way to do politics and he’s a cancer for FG in terms of the floating voter like myself.

Lack of ethics!??

That pretty much decimates the whole of the Dail so!!

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Well best off we let the Gards decide that one ay.

Exactly, he needs to step aside until the criminal investigation is concluded.

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Exactly, he needs to step aside until the criminal investigation is concluded.

And Michelle O Neill?

Floppybits

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Lack of ethics!??

That pretty much decimates the whole of the Dail so!!

What a sad statement that is of the Dàil.

Jinglejangle69

Floppybits wrote: »

What a sad statement that is of the Dàil.

I'm not naive.

Jinglejangle69

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And Michelle O Neill?

She's not under criminal investigation of a crime

skimpydoo

blanch152 wrote: »

So Michelle O'Neill couldn't resign when she was under PSNI investigation (I think she still is) because SF's hands are tied because they are in coalition with the DUP.

Of all the bizarre excuses in the world........

I never said Michelle O'Neill should not resign because of the DUP coalition, in fact, I never mentioned it because it has no relevance. I was referring to government policies that SF has to implement in the North because of the DUP coalition.

What about the Government ministers who attended the funeral Of Garda Horkan?

BackOfMyBag

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Denis Naughton resigned because it could be seen he could gain financially by his actions.

you havent been reading up on things . but anyway, what about francis fitzgerald ? how come she resigned ????

James Brown

BackOfMyBag wrote: »

you havent been reading up on things . but anyway, what about francis fitzgerald ? how come she resigned ????

****e at her job and lied.

James Brown

skimpydoo wrote: »

I never said Michelle O'Neill should not resign because of the DUP coalition, in fact, I never mentioned it because it has no relevance. I was referring to government policies that SF has to implement in the North because of the DUP coalition.

What about the Government ministers who attended the funeral Of Garda Horkan?

It's different because Covid number 19 said Charlie and chums were a great bunch of lads and should stroll on.
There was a shinner at that funeral too, so it's a weird one alright.

Neither Flanagan not MON should resign IMO. Funerals are a sensitive thing, different from a Golf piss up. Certainly different from leaking a confidential government document to your pal.

markodaly

James Brown wrote: »

The facts are there. Remember I said it's for you to form an opinion? Kinda my whole point.
I do not have a signed and notarised declaration from the Irish Times or RTE stating they are biased, no :rolleyes:

Again, you have nothing but a belief and opinion.

Remember, the claim was not that media show some bias, the claim is that the Government/Leo/FG exert editorial control over RTE and the Irish Times.

Some claim, but no proof, which I guess makes that clam false.

markodaly

maccored wrote: »

theres a difference in being accused of something, then investigated and proven to be innocent than doing actually something that you admit to, then having the legality of doing it being investigated .

... while that person in the latter is still innocent until proven guilty.

skimpydoo

James Brown wrote: »

It's different because Covid number 19 said Charlie and chums were a great bunch of lads and should stroll on.
There was a shinner at that funeral too, so it's a weird one alright.

Neither Flanagan not MON should resign IMO. Funerals are a sensitive thing, different from a Golf piss up. Certainly different from leaking a confidential government document to your pal.

I totally agree that neither Flanagan nor MON should resign. Just pointing out the hypocrisy when complaining about the Bobby Storey funeral whilst forgetting about the Garda Horkan funeral.

boardise

Floppybits wrote: »

What a sad statement that is of the Dàil.

Isn't the Dáil a reflection of Irish electorate ?

blanch152

skimpydoo wrote: »

I totally agree that neither Flanagan nor MON should resign. Just pointing out the hypocrisy when complaining about the Bobby Storey funeral whilst forgetting about the Garda Horkan funeral.

Two very different occasions and two very different funerals.

One was a political stunt marking the departure of a criminal thug, the other was a solemn State funeral for a Garda.

If you can't tell the difference, there is something weird going on.

maccored

markodaly wrote: »

... while that person in the latter is still innocent until proven guilty.

the point is that AGS are investigating the legality - we all already know he's guilty of sharing the info.

maccored

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And Michelle O Neill?

leo admits to what he's done. O'Neill disputes the claims against her. theres a difference.

jmcc

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

And Michelle O Neill?

Funny how you FGers already act like it is a United Ireland when it comes to SF. Obviously the plan for your merger with the DUP is well underway.

Regards...jmcc

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Two very different occasions and two very different funerals.

One was a political stunt marking the departure of a criminal thug, the other was a solemn State funeral for a Garda.

If you can't tell the difference, there is something weird going on.

Both were shows of force,

skimpydoo

blanch152 wrote: »

Two very different occasions and two very different funerals.

One was a political stunt marking the departure of a criminal thug, the other was a solemn State funeral for a Garda.

If you can't tell the difference, there is something weird going on.

Both funerals were wrong in my opinion. If one of my family members died, the funeral would be small unlike the two above. Why one rule for them and another for us?

smurgen

Did he resign yet? Oh has he further degragated Ireland inc's brand?

skimpydoo

FFG never wanted SF to be the main opposition party as they would finally be held to account. They are now in a new world where they are finally being held to account, and to combat this all they can do is deflect and say blah blah blah funeral, blah blah blah Northern Ireland. When members of FFG first entered the Dail, they carried sidearms, so why are they quick to bring up the IRA and not mention their own violent past including O'Duffy's Blue Shirts.

smurgen

skimpydoo wrote: »

FFG never wanted SF to be the main opposition party as they would finally be held to account. They are now in a new world where they are finally being held to account, and to combat this all they can do is deflect and say blah blah blah funeral, blah blah blah Northern Ireland. When members of FFG first entered the Dail, they carried sidearms, so why are they quick to bring up the IRA and not mention their own violent past including O'Duffy's Blue Shirts.

They want to talk of the past because it's a useful deflection. They're bleak now and their future is negative.but their future doesn't need to be our future thankfully. There's always hope.