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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #6722
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,324 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Some amount of parties today lads.

    People have thrown the towel in, Easter around the corner too:)


  • #6723
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Got to the stage where it looks like a further reduction is unlikely below 300 a day. Probably looking at it stalling at 400-650 a day. Maybe better weather may help closer to the summer. Lockdown fatigue is just too much for a high percentage of the population, no country is likely to drive this new variant to very low numbers. We are relying now on vaccines it would seem.


  • #6724
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,071 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Rosita wrote: »
    Yeah, it was said recently that but for the B117 variant we should be at less than 50 cases now. The inability to get lower than 500 and the fact that cases have actually risen in the last week despite what you'd assume would be an accumulated benefit after so long at level 5 suggests that Philip Nolan might not be as misguided as some want to believe. Situation delicate enough right now I'd say.

    Does Cork, Kerry, Kilkenny etc not have the B117 variant? Cos those and a few other counties have managed to get very low case wise.

    To me, it looks like there's a few counties continually fcuking up. Offaly, Dublin, Kildare, Meath and Longford have a far higher incidence rate than everywhere else.

    Sure the variant might be having some effect but to me it looks like large outbreaks in certain areas as other counties have managed to get down fine.


  • #6725
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,496 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    tom1ie wrote: »
    So cases go up, does that automatically mean hospital admissions go up? Depends on age demographics I suppose.
    We are stuck in this lockdown until vaccines hit a certain percentage.
    (Not sure what that percentage is as the government haven’t told us)
    Rosita wrote: »
    Almost certainly. The extent to which they'd go up is another matter.

    Not sure that is the case. The additional factor is vaccines administered. That means most vulnerable, would would previously have been at higher risk of hospitalisation, now may not catch it, or if they do their symptoms may be less serious than without the vaccine

    I would guess that's why we have seen infections stabalise around the 500 level but have been seeing drops in deaths, ICU and hospitalisations


  • #6726
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,812 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    quokula wrote: »
    Such a weird use of language, to describe accepting thousands more deaths as "living with" the disease, rather than what we're doing which is actually living with the disease by modifying our behaviours.

    Ireland has one of the highest death rates of vulnerable across the EU.

    An Irish person over 65 is more likely to die of Covid than a Swedish person over 65, or was until recently.

    Our severe mitigation measures may not be as cost effective as we are told


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  • #6727
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Got to the stage where it looks like a further reduction is unlikely below 300 a day. Probably looking at it stalling at 400-650 a day. Maybe better weather may help closer to the summer. Lockdown fatigue is just too much for a high percentage of the population, no country is likely to drive this new variant to very low numbers. We are relying now on vaccines it would seem.

    I agree. We are going to stabilise at a level of infection probably a little higher than we are now. And Europe a good bit higher. Germany, France, italy etc entering a 3rd wave but there is no way they will lock down fully again. There’ll be half hearted curfews, maybe some hospitality closure, but nowhere near enough to bring infections down substantially

    Our collective hope is to break the infection to hospitalisation link, through vaccination. That’s why the AZ fiasco this week was so damaging. And then just get on with things. We’ll have a high level of infection for a long time time come and people will unfortunately die. Vaccinations should prevent hospitalisations and allow for non COVID treatments but we will have to live with it more rampant than we wanted it to be

    There just won’t be appetite for another lockdown. It’s just about mitigating any spikes now


  • #6728
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,931 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ireland has one of the highest death rates of vulnerable across the EU.

    An Irish person over 65 is more likely to die of Covid than a Swedish person over 65, or was until recently.

    Our severe mitigation measures may not be as cost effective as we are told


    Any chance you would back that up with a few stats or articles?


  • #6729
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    George is flapping his wings on the nine o clock news


  • #6730
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    George is flapping his wings on the nine o clock news

    Whats he animated about?


  • #6731
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    titan18 wrote: »
    Does Cork, Kerry, Kilkenny etc not have the B117 variant? Cos those and a few other counties have managed to get very low case wise.

    To me, it looks like there's a few counties continually fcuking up. Offaly, Dublin, Kildare, Meath and Longford have a far higher incidence rate than everywhere else.

    Sure the variant might be having some effect but to me it looks like large outbreaks in certain areas as other counties have managed to get down fine.

    Presumably, variant or no variant, transmission of the infection revolves around behaviour and circumstances. (Dublin, Kildare and Meath strike me as counties with a lot of movement certainly if the busyness of the M50 is a guide.) The variant (as I understand it) is simply more easily transmitted.


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  • #6732
    jhegarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,131 ✭✭✭jhegarty


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Got to the stage where it looks like a further reduction is unlikely below 300 a day. Probably looking at it stalling at 400-650 a day. Maybe better weather may help closer to the summer. Lockdown fatigue is just too much for a high percentage of the population, no country is likely to drive this new variant to very low numbers. We are relying now on vaccines it would seem.

    If the rest of county could follow Cork , Kilkenny or Leitrim today would have been < 100 cases.


  • #6733
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    john4321 wrote: »
    Any chance you would back that up with a few stats or articles?

    There's an article from October in the time condemning the amount of deaths in nursing homes being higher than all other countries in Europe. People run it out to support this claim constantly.

    If you look in depth we see (since the Swedish example was used) Sweden has more deaths in people over 80 per capita than we have total deaths.

    Sweden has twice our population so you would expect twice the deaths. Our total deaths is 4,500.

    They have 9,130 deaths in people over 80 years of age. Given that Sweden has twice as many people as we do we can say that there's as many deaths per capita in people over 80 in Sweden as we have total deaths.

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1107913/number-of-coronavirus-deaths-in-sweden-by-age-groups/

    Reveals the previous posters claims as made up.


  • #6734
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    Rosita wrote: »
    Presumably, variant or no variant, transmission of the infection revolves around behaviour and circumstances. (Dublin, Kildare and Meath strike me as counties with a lot of movement certainly if the busyness of the M50 is a guide.) The variant (as I understand it) is simply more easily transmitted.

    This is it, the main commuter routes in and out of Dublin are getting busier week by week, from what I can see. Some posters would like to frame that as "fcuking up" as if we're all in Coppers wearing the face off each other. Most of us are trying to keep it together by working.

    We are at the point where the case numbers are largely irrelevant now; recent deaths and hospitals are what matters in my opinion.


  • #6735
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    John Pombe Magufuli, President of Tanzania and famous for instructing tests of coronavirus on goats, papaya, sheep, and all apparently found to be positive for Covid-19, has died in hospital from Corona.


  • #6736
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    The new variants are more serious. think the evidence is now pretty clear. Society does now seem to have desensitized by what is now happening.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1372305355460517891


  • #6737
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Polar101


    biko wrote: »
    John Pombe Magufuli, President of Tanzania and famous for instructing tests of coronavirus on goats, papaya, sheep, and all apparently found to be positive for Covid-19, has died in hospital from Corona.

    Just a few days after the prime minister said the president was healthy, and working very hard. It's almost as if he was lying.


  • #6738
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The new variants are more serious. think the evidence is now pretty clear. Society does now seem to have desensitized by what is now happening.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1372305355460517891

    Luckily we have very few arriving from that country


  • #6739
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The new variants are more serious. think the evidence is now pretty clear. Society does now seem to have desensitized by what is now happening.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1372305355460517891

    Patients in their 20s 30s 40s died before with the old strain. That tweet is based off what that reporter said ,based off what 4 doctors he spoke to said. Is there any Data to illustrate this? How much more deadly if at all is this variant? Directed at the guy who tweeted it
    , he can go a bit overboard at times.


  • #6740
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Patients in their 20s 30s 40s died before with the old strain. That tweet is based off what that reporter said ,based off what 4 doctors he spoke to said. Is there any Data to illustrate this? How much more deadly if at all is this variant? Directed at the guy who tweeted it
    , he can go a bit overboard at times.

    Can't speak to the exact details but broadly things are worse now than they have ever been in Brazil. 7 day averages for cases and deaths are both at an all time high and rising.


  • #6741
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The new variants are more serious. think the evidence is now pretty clear. Society does now seem to have desensitized by what is now happening.

    https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1372305355460517891

    IMO, Bolsanaro has blood on this hands. He needs to go to prison, his handling of the pandemic is so bad, it is criminal.


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  • #6742
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Patients in their 20s 30s 40s died before with the old strain. That tweet is based off what that reporter said ,based off what 4 doctors he spoke to said. Is there any Data to illustrate this? How much more deadly if at all is this variant? Directed at the guy who tweeted it
    , he can go a bit overboard at times.

    Dr Ding has gained a cultlike following on Twitter with his pronouncements. His primary sources are frequently CNN and Bloomberg - its a great big circle jerk of fame seeking second rate hysteria merchants. Much the same as the 'freedom', its the flu bro, 'covid isnt a thing' and antivaxer losers on the other side.

    There are solid points on both sides, nasty individuals like this don't provide any and cause more suffering than would exist if they kept their overly flapping mouths quiet.


  • #6743
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,682 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Dr Ding has gained a cultlike following on Twitter with his pronouncements. His primary sources are frequently CNN and Bloomberg - its a great big circle jerk of fame seeking second rate hysteria merchants. Much the same as the 'freedom', its the flu bro, 'covid isnt a thing' and antivaxer losers on the other side.

    There are solid points on both sides, nasty individuals like this don't provide any and cause more suffering than would exist if they kept their overly flapping mouths quiet.

    He sounds exactly like George Lee!


  • #6744
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    He sounds exactly like George Lee!

    Lest we forget some of the expert sources here's some highlights shamelessly ripped from another poster via WebMD:

    March 2020: No Need to Panic. The Flu is Worse
    March 2021: It’s Worse Than the Flu


    March 2020: Masks Aren’t Necessary
    March 2021: Consider Wearing Two


    March 2020: Asymptomatic Spread is Rare
    March 2021: 40% of New Cases Come From People Without Symptoms


    March 2020: We Don’t Think the Virus is Threat to Young People
    March 2021: Sadly, No.


    March 2020: We Don’t Think the Virus Stays in the Air for Long
    March 2021: Check Your CO2 Levels and Ventilate Because This Virus Definitely Hangs Around in the Air

    The 'professional' reporting on this pandemic has been a sham, government handling has been a sham, and social media hysteria has demonstrated that facebook and its nasty ilk are not a force for social good.

    Its a shambles which hopefully will soon be over with vaccinations arriving in increasing quantities - but we all need to take a long hard look at how we process information and why our 'leaders' have as much of a clue as the average boards.ie poster.


  • #6745
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    Dr Ding has gained a cultlike following on Twitter with his pronouncements. His primary sources are frequently CNN and Bloomberg - its a great big circle jerk of fame seeking second rate hysteria merchants. Much the same as the 'freedom', its the flu bro, 'covid isnt a thing' and antivaxer losers on the other side.

    There are solid points on both sides, nasty individuals like this don't provide any and cause more suffering than would exist if they kept their overly flapping mouths quiet.



    If you want to see how dramatic that fella is look at his coverage of the now forgotten Mink Covid issue.

    https://twitter.com/search?lang=en&q=mink%20(from%3ADrEricDing)&src=typed_query

    All dramatic and then a sudden stop. He's a doom monger and best ignored. He just moves from headline to headline.


  • #6746
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    wes wrote: »
    IMO, Bolsanaro has blood on this hands. He needs to go to prison, his handling of the pandemic is so bad, it is criminal.

    I don`t know if there is capital punishment in Brazil but if there is he deserves to be executed for crimes against the state and potentially the planet.


  • #6747
    noplacehere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    titan18 wrote: »
    Does Cork, Kerry, Kilkenny etc not have the B117 variant? Cos those and a few other counties have managed to get very low case wise.

    To me, it looks like there's a few counties continually fcuking up. Offaly, Dublin, Kildare, Meath and Longford have a far higher incidence rate than everywhere else.

    Sure the variant might be having some effect but to me it looks like large outbreaks in certain areas as other counties have managed to get down fine.

    Kildare I know of a creche in Naas currently closed as a young relative just tested positive. Anecdotally there’s issues in the schools in Naas too and spread to/from all those depending on who you talk to


  • #6748
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,573 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Beasty wrote: »
    Not sure that is the case. The additional factor is vaccines administered. That means most vulnerable, would would previously have been at higher risk of hospitalisation, now may not catch it, or if they do their symptoms may be less serious than without the vaccine

    I would guess that's why we have seen infections stabalise around the 500 level but have been seeing drops in deaths, ICU and hospitalisations

    I would have thought we're seeing a drop in deaths, ICU and hospitalisations primarily because we're still dealing with the effects of cases persistently coming down since the thousands in January.

    We brought those numbers down consistently, so we'll still be seeing a fall in those metrics as a delayed consequence of that for a little while longer - what we're seeing now is less a reflection on what is happening right now, more a reflection of a few weeks ago, due to the lag between infection, hospitalisation, ICU admission and deaths. It mightn't be that far away - Nolan pointed out at the last briefing that the average number of people being admitted over the last few days had stabilised, as opposed to continue to decline day on day.


    If cases begin to rise again from here on in, as sure as night follows day, we'll see a rise again in hospital admissions etc after that lag period. It might be less dramatic as vaccinations have more of an impact, but at the moment it's the cohorts, aside from HCW, who may not have even made it as far as hospital, even if they had Covid, who have been vaccinated.

    Equally, I wouldn't be confident that we've seen a stabilisation at 500 either - I'll be thrilled if we continue to avoid a rise in cases, but, logically, one would think if there's more interaction going on there's going to be a rise in cases - and there seems to be more and more going on every day. But, maybe, I'm a pessimistic fool.


  • #6749
    Sobit1964
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭Sobit1964


    Arghus wrote: »
    If cases begin to rise again from here on in, as sure as night follows day, we'll see a rise again in hospital admissions etc after that lag period.

    If a sizeable percentage of the cohort which have been hospitalised to date are vaccinated and thus don't present symptoms requiring hospitalisation. Wouldn't it require a substantial rise in case numbers to make up this number from those less likely but still possible to attend hospital?

    Looking at the numbers, possibly many multiples of cases?


  • #6750
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,573 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Sobit1964 wrote: »
    If a sizeable percentage of the cohort which have been hospitalised to date are vaccinated and thus don't present symptoms requiring hospitalisation. Wouldn't it require a substantial rise in case numbers to make up this number from those less likely but still possible to attend hospital?

    Looking at the numbers, possibly many multiples of cases?

    Yes, but we don't have enough people vaccinated right now - it's mainly HCW workers, care home residents and the very oldest - to not come under pressure again if there's a rise in cases in the short term.


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  • #6751
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1372341536336322566/photo/1

    Bizarre but very consistent Western pattern of COVID proceeds..wonder will we avoid it


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