Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

17-03-2021 12:21AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Fair enough but this is an anonymous online forum so I’ll take this with a pinch of salt.

The stats make you an outlier if that’s the case

You were very unlucky unfortunately

I wasnunlucky. Luckily don't seem to have any post viral syndrome.

ypres5 · 17-03-2021 12:21AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I ended up needing oxygen after contracting covid-19. I'm young and within normal BMI range.

Disingenuous by you to play down the effect covid can have on all people.

T2DM is a higher risk than obesity by the way.

sorry you went through that but as someone in my early 20s i have a one in a million chance of dying of covid and a one in 20k chance of being hospitalized according to an oxford university calculator so to be honest I just can't bring myself to worry about it

walus · 17-03-2021 12:22AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I ended up needing oxygen after contracting covid-19. I'm young and within normal BMI range.

Disingenuous by you to play down the effect covid can have on all people.

T2DM is a higher risk than obesity by the way.

Did they put you on any particular drugs at the same time?

gozunda · 17-03-2021 12:25AM

niallo27 wrote: »

So people are spending 50% longer in hospital compared to in icu, them figures do not seem right to me.

That quote is taken from gov.ie web site below

Maybe take it up with the contact there?

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/4e25b-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-7-october/#hospital-statistics

normanoffside · 17-03-2021 12:27AM

Graham wrote: »

Iif you have some actual information to post I'd be interested in seeing it.

I'm trying to hoke out the video but on Monday they (NPHET) after weeks of badgering from one particular journalist (Sarah Carey BTW) during the stats update changed the definition of 'hospital admission's to clarify it as an accumulation of people admitted to hospital 'with' covid (not all admitted because of covid) and patients already in hospital who acquired it there.

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 12:27AM

Graham wrote: »

You'll be disappointed to discover the answer:

21.98% of hospitalisations in the last two weeks are in the groups 55-64 yrs and 65 - 74 yrs.

Even if you include all of those under/over 60 in those groups it's not a majority.

Source: HPSC Epidemiology Reports

I can't find that information, send on a link will you. Them figures make no sense.

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 12:30AM

gozunda wrote: »

That quote is taken from gov.ie web site below

Msybe take it up with the contact there?

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/4e25b-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-7-october/#hospital-statistics

I can't find, I'm not saying I don't believe you, it just doesn't make sense to me. How can icu be shorter than a hospital stay.

bb1234567 · 17-03-2021 12:34AM

ingo1984 wrote: »

191 average age 84 died from covid.

94 people, probably young, died from taking their own life. No doubt brought on by lockdown etc.

Shocking stuff.

94 in a 3 month period is pretty normal rate of suicide in Ireland tbf.
2019 - 421 suicides in Ireland , 105 per quarter

Fairly surprised to see suicide rate hasn't increased at least not in the summer of last year anyway , good to hear..one silver lining of it all.

gozunda · 17-03-2021 12:34AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I can't find, I'm not saying I don't believe you, it just doesn't make sense to me. How can icu be shorter than a hospital stay.

Scroll down from the top - i just picked one date from the Google search results.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/4e25b-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-7-october/#hospital-statistics

Currently, the average length of stay of a COVID-19 patient is 20 days in hospital and 14 days in ICU.

As to why an ICU may be shorter than a hospital stay? - I would think that covid patients who end up in ICU either die or get better. Those that get better step down into general care for the remaining portion of their hospital stay. Unfortunately if you don't get better in ICU - then that doesn't happen.

TonyMaloney · 17-03-2021 12:36AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I can't find, I'm not saying I don't believe you, it just doesn't make sense to me. How can icu be shorter than a hospital stay.

Like the regular hospitalisation stats, ICU numbers are probably contained.

To illustrate, if there was 10 in hospital and 5 in ICU it wouldn't mean that there was 15 in total.
10 are in hospital, half of which are in ICU.

Same goes for your stats

FintanMcluskey · 17-03-2021 12:37AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I can't find, I'm not saying I don't believe you, it just doesn't make sense to me. How can icu be shorter than a hospital stay.

It does correlate to longer stay in hospital than ICU up to October 2020

Perhaps patients leave ICU and wait in general bed for observation

What I can’t figure out is why Ireland’s ICU survival rate was much higher than other EU countries

https://www.rcsi.com/impact/details/2020/09/intensive-care-units-cannot-cope-with-another-wave-of-covid-19

Published mortality rates from ICUs in Italy, the UK and the United States are higher than here in Ireland – at least 30% of the patients with COVID-19 admitted to ICUs in these countries during surge conditions died. Mortality rates in the UK were extremely high for patients who received invasive mechanical ventilation in the ICU – more than 50% – compared with other countries. In Ireland, we saw a mortality rate of 20.2% for COVID-19 patients admitted to ICUs, according to data from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (correct to 1 August).

It’s either because ICU care in Ireland is one aspect of healthcare in this country that’s the best in the EU or it’s because we admit people to ICU that don’t actually need that level of care and would survive without ICU

Graham · 17-03-2021 12:37AM

niallo27 wrote: »

How about the head of the HSE saying up to 50% of hospital covid cases were contracted in the hospital itself.

How about recent facts..

2.33% or 164 cases in the last fortnight have "Healthcare setting" as the likely source. That includes patients and staff.

gozunda · 17-03-2021 12:43AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Id wager people in their 60s make up the majority of those hospitalisations also look at how many of our hospital cases arose from people contracting covid-19 there while being admitted for something else.

normanoffside wrote: »

I'd guess the majority of hospital patients under 60 'with covid' either presented to hospital for another reason and just happened to test positive or else caught it in hospital when already admitted.

I don't think taking wild stabs in the dark are of any real use in understanding what the actual statistics are.

May I suggest that any such wagering and guessing is better suited to having a flutter on the gg's in Cheltenham

bb1234567 · 17-03-2021 12:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I ended up needing oxygen after contracting covid-19. I'm young and within normal BMI range.

Disingenuous by you to play down the effect covid can have on all people.

T2DM is a higher risk than obesity by the way.

You're a healthcare worker though aren't you, think I remember you saying? Healthcare workers really seem to get much worse bout of illness than their peers in the general population, viral load seems to make a huge difference.

Graham · 17-03-2021 12:45AM

gozunda wrote: »

I don't think taking wild stabs in the dark are if any real use in understanding what the actual statistics are.

Some viewpoints come across better when not unnecessarily inconvenienced by facts.

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 12:48AM

gozunda wrote: »

I don't think taking wild stabs in the dark are if any real use in understanding what the actual statistics are.

May I suggest that any such wagering and guessing is better suited to having a flutter on the gg's in Cheltenham

It's not a wild stab, its a direct quote from the head of the hse.

ypres5 · 17-03-2021 12:50AM

Graham wrote: »

Some viewpoints come across better when not unnecessarily inconvenienced by facts.

like when you claimed the government said they weren't considering a winter 21 lockdown...

TonyMaloney · 17-03-2021 12:50AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Any links, especially your last post. The quote I posted was at the height of hospital admissions. Maybe they have got a control on hospital transmissions and that is the reason for the big drop in numbers.

Vaccines will be helping a lot.

And only make the numbers from the last 14 days more relevant than ever

gozunda · 17-03-2021 12:51AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It does correlate to longer stay in hospital than ICU up to October 2020

Perhaps patients leave ICU and wait in general bed for observation

What I can’t figure out is why Ireland’s ICU survival rate was much higher than other EU countries

https://www.rcsi.com/impact/details/2020/09/intensive-care-units-cannot-cope-with-another-wave-of-covid-19

It’s either because ICU care in Ireland is one aspect of healthcare in this country that’s the best in the EU or it’s because we admit people to ICU that don’t actually need that level of care and would survive without ICU

There are a range of reasons.

But yes ICU patients who get better do step down to a general covid ward in order to complete their recovery.

Also ICU techniques have changed since the beginning of the Pandemic. Less invasive methods of critical oxygen support are now used which are not as invasive or as difficult to manage and with better outcomes.

The other point is that both Italy and the US experienced hospital resources being pushed to the limit - with emergency field hospitals being used in both countries.

Here we have managed to largely contain infection rates and haven't required the use of emergency field hospitals. This alone would help explain our better survival rates.

Also shows exactly why we need to keep the lid on this virus.

Graham · 17-03-2021 12:52AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Any links, especially your last post. The quote I posted was at the height of hospital admissions. Maybe they have got a control on hospital transmissions and that is the reason for the big drop in numbers.

Same Epidemiology report.

Google; HPSC Epidemiology report

It's the first result. There's an entire world of facts there, have a read.

You'll either be able to make a much stronger case for your point of view or you'll understand why some ideas aren't supported by reality.

TonyMaloney · 17-03-2021 12:53AM

niallo27 wrote: »

It's not a wild stab, its a direct quote from the head of the hse.

Are you sure it's a direct quote from Paul Reid?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but 50% is a suspiciously round number

FintanMcluskey · 17-03-2021 12:54AM

gozunda wrote: »

There are a range of reasons.

But yes ICU patients who get better do stand down to a general covid ward in order to complete their recovery.

Also ICU techniques have changed since the beginning of the Pandemic. Less invasive methods of criyical oxygen support are now used which are not as invasive or as difficult to manage.

The other point is that both Italy and the US experienced hospital resources being pushed to the limit - with emergency field hospitals being used in both countries.

Here we have managed to largely contain infection rates and haven't required the use of emergency field hospitals. This alone would help explain our better survival rates.

Also shows exactly why we need to keep the lid on this virus.

Perhaps the fact we have a very young population really helped our health service not become overwhelmed

I’m sure having the highest population under 15s in the EU is a real exhaust valve when dealing with Covid

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 12:54AM

Graham wrote: »

How about recent facts..

2.33% or 164 cases in the last fortnight have "Healthcare setting" as the likely source. That includes patients and staff.

This percentage is completely meaningless, the vast majority of cases will not go to hospital or will be near any hralthcare workers. We are talking about actual hospital admissions here. Your figures are interesting though, in the last fortnight we have had about 300-400 hospital admissions, 164 cases came from a healthcare setting. Going by your figures up to 50% of cases were contracted in hospital.

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 12:55AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Are you sure it's a direct quote from Paul Reid?

I'm not saying you're wrong, but 50% is a suspiciously round number

He said up to 50%.

FintanMcluskey · 17-03-2021 12:57AM

Graham wrote: »

Same Epidemiology report.

Google; HPSC Epidemiology report

It's the first result. There's an entire world of facts there, have a read.

You'll either be able to make a much stronger case for your point of view or you'll understand why some ideas aren't supported by reality.

The only change has been now all HCW’s are now vaccinated

No other demographic have had an opportunity for full vaccination like HCW’s have

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 12:58AM

Graham wrote: »

Same Epidemiology report.

Google; HPSC Epidemiology report

It's the first result. There's an entire world of facts there, have a read.

You'll either be able to make a much stronger case for your point of view or you'll understand why some ideas aren't supported by reality.

I opened it and read it, I can't find hospital admissions by age anywhere on it only deaths, just send on the link. It's not that hard.

Graham · 17-03-2021 01:02AM

niallo27 wrote: »

This percentage is completely meaningless, the vast majority of cases will not go to hospital or will be near any hralthcare workers.

you're now saying hospital covid cases (your 50% earlier) wouldn't have been near a hospital?

hmmmmmm

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 01:03AM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Vaccines will be helping a lot.

And only make the numbers from the last 14 days more relevant than ever

I read his post wrong, he quoted total cases. 164 cases from a healthcare setting means transmission levels are still out of control in hospitals.

Sharpyshoot · 17-03-2021 01:06AM

I hope we can have a meaningful st.patty day.

niallo27 · 17-03-2021 01:06AM

Graham wrote: »

you're now saying hospital covid cases (your 50% earlier) wouldn't have been near a hospital?

hmmmmmm

You quoted 2% of total cases. I am talking about hospital admissions only not total cases. What percentage of hospital cases were from healthcare settings. You would make a great politican, great for dodging questions and bit of deflection.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings