Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

gozunda

niallo27 wrote: »

In terms of mortality rates though it is, it's the same with icu admissions. Nearly every hospital admission leaves hospital relatively quickly.

A quick check on that - shows that for example in October 2020 - the average length of stay of a COVID-19 patient was 20 days in hospital and 14 days in ICU. I wouldn't necessarily call that quick tbh.

BigAndy21

I'm not taking any vaccine. I'm not anti vax by the way, these new ones are experimental gene therapy never tried before so your basically a guinea pig. Think i'm grand dealing with a virus with a 99% if not more survival rate.
Madness, pure and utter madness when I think about it haha.

ypres5

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I don't want to get ahead of myself, but you might just be on the cusp of understanding the problem.

Id wager people in their 60s make up the majority of those hospitalisations also look at how many of our hospital cases arose from people contracting covid-19 there while being admitted for something else.

gozunda

ypres5 wrote: »

you do realize how big a chunk of the population under 65 is though? and people being admitted to hospital doesn't immediately translate to them fighting for their lives in hospital

Eh? Where was it said that it did? What it does show is that the 50% under 65 who were admitted to hospital were sick enough to require hospital admission and care in specialist covid units. Many required additional resources such as supplemental oxygen and clinical treatment to recover from the virus.

And again an increasing number of patients over and under 65 being admitted means that health care resources quickly come under serious pressure. Especially where significant numbers of health care staff are being infected as a result of the higher risk of infection working with Covid-19 patients.

niallo27

AlekSmart wrote: »

Perhaps ,to the more nuanced and lucid mind of the Mathematician or "Modeler",the numbers make perfect sense.

The population of the World is c.7.9 Billion.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



Of course these are Global statistics and we (Ireland) may be different.

Your post does not reference age groups, what is the figure for under 65s.

niallo27

gozunda wrote: »

A quick check on that - shows that for example in October 2020 - the average length of stay of a COVID-19 patient was 20 days in hospital and 14 days in ICU. I wouldn't necessarily call that quick tbh.

So people are spending 50% longer in hospital compared to in icu, them figures do not seem right to me.

ypres5

gozunda wrote: »

Eh? Where was it said that it did? Was it does show that the 50% under 65 who were admitted to hospital were sick enough to require hospital admission and care in specialist covid units. Many required additional resources such as supplemental oxygen and clinical treatment to recover from the virus.

And again an increasing number of patients over and under 65 being admitted means that health care resources quickly come under serious pressure. Especially where significant numbers of health care staff are being infected as a result of the higher risk of infection working with Covid-19 patients.

it would probably help if our hospitals weren't absolutely porous in the first place considering how many covid outbreaks there's been before during and after Christmas

retro:electro

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ the mood around is horrible esp with the way the media are portraying us

Were like bold school kids and been warned the big bad guards will be around tomorrow

The worst was Simon Harris coming on saying if we’re good boys and girls tomorrow we might get the 5k lifted in April

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

Id wager people in their 60s make up the majority of those hospitalisations

You would lose that wager.

TonyMaloney

ypres5 wrote: »

Id wager people in their 60s make up the majority of those hospitalisations also look at how many of our hospital cases arose from people contracting covid-19 there while being admitted for something else.

You don't have to wager. Read the 14 day epidemiology reports.
I'll get you a link if you like, but you could just google it.

Unfortunately you'll find that the situation isn't as good as you think.

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

You would lose that wager.

Well back up your post or get off the pot.

normanoffside

Graham wrote: »

You would lose that wager.

I'd guess the majority of hospital patients under 60 'with covid' either presented to hospital for another reason and just happened to test positive or else caught it in hospital when already admitted.

niallo27

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You don't have to wager. Read the 14 day epidemiology reports.
I'll get you a link if you like, but you could just google it.

Unfortunately you'll find that the situation isn't as good as you think.

Yes but these people are recovering and leaving hospital. Is this the new normal now, the older generation are vaccinated and deaths and hospitals will fall off a cliff so now we can't open because younger people may end up in hospital. Constant shifting goalposts. 2 weeks from collapse I presume.

AlekSmart

retro:electro wrote: »

The worst was Simon Harris coming on saying if we’re good boys and girls tomorrow we might get the 5k lifted in April

Good man Simon,but you need to get the message out there a bit more.....

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/gemmagreene-dublinairport-m50-holiday-chase-20185544

Here is the woman who led gardai on a high-speed chase through Dublin returning from a brazen week-long holiday in Spain.

The Star confronted shameless Gemma Greene, 24, at Dublin Airport on Monday, after she returned from a couple of days sunning it up in Barcelona and Madrid.

Hang on a minute till I get ya a Locator Form....:D

niallo27

normanoffside wrote: »

I'd guess the majority of hospital patients under 60 'with covid' either presented to hospital for another reason and just happened to test positive or else caught it in hospital when already admitted.

That point will just be ignored, they have no answer for it.

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

You would lose that wager.

oh actually graham do you still think the government haven't mentioned a winter 21 lockdown like you did a while ago? Bit of a blunder on your part

normanoffside

How patronising and dismissive is the presenter?

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1371960959779139586

FintanMcluskey

retro:electro wrote: »

The worst was Simon Harris coming on saying if we’re good boys and girls tomorrow we might get the 5k lifted in April

Does he mind us staying up past our bedtime watching the special late late show?

Graham

niallo27 wrote: »

That point will just be ignored, they have no answer for it.

niallo27 wrote: »

Well back up your post or get off the pot.

You'll be disappointed to discover the answer:

21.98% of hospitalisations in the last two weeks are in the groups 55-64 yrs and 65 - 74 yrs.

Even if you include all of those under/over 60 in those groups it's not a majority.

Source: HPSC Epidemiology Reports

TonyMaloney

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes but these people are recovering and leaving hospital. Is this the new normal now, the older generation are vaccinated and deaths and hospitals will fall off a cliff so now we can't open because younger people may end up in hospital. Constant shifting goalposts. 2 weeks from collapse I presume.

I don't know about you, but for me one of the goalposts has always been "don't lose the use of your hospitals for regular treatment"

That hasn't shifted at all and it's still under threat until a really significant number are jabbed

Graham

normanoffside wrote: »

I'd guess the majority of hospital patients .............

Iif you have some actual information to post I'd be interested in seeing it.

JPup

BigAndy21 wrote: »

I'm not taking any vaccine. I'm not anti vax by the way, these new ones are experimental gene therapy never tried before so your basically a guinea pig. Think i'm grand dealing with a virus with a 99% if not more survival rate.
Madness, pure and utter madness when I think about it haha.

The Oxford Astrazeneca vaccine is old fashioned tried and tested technology. So if that's your concern then go for that one.

TonyMaloney

niallo27 wrote: »

That point will just be ignored, they have no answer for it.

No, there is literally regularly published data on hospital acquired covid.

FintanMcluskey

normanoffside wrote: »

How patronising and dismissive is the presenter?

https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1371960959779139586

He sounds so measured and articulate.

“We are going to need a functioning economy”

The lockdown fans forget that

Even listening to him talk without having any effect is really therapeutic

Great to know at least some see the wood’s from the trees

niallo27

Graham wrote: »

Iif you have some actual information to post I'd be interested in seeing it.

How about the head of the HSE saying up to 50% of hospital covid cases were contracted in the hospital itself.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The most common symptoms seem to be none to little symptoms for those relatively healthy and not obese.

It doesn’t require luck, the odds are on your side if your general health is ok and one is not obese

I ended up needing oxygen after contracting covid-19. I'm young and within normal BMI range.

Disingenuous by you to play down the effect covid can have on all people.

T2DM is a higher risk than obesity by the way.

FintanMcluskey

Graham wrote: »

You'll be disappointed to discover the answer:

21.98% of hospitalisations in the last two weeks are in the groups 55-64 yrs and 65 - 74 yrs.

Even if you include all of those under/over 60 in those groups it's not a majority.

Source: HPSC Epidemiology Reports

Will you source the reports

I’m sceptical of what you have interpreted here

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

I ended up needing oxygen after contracting covid-19. I'm young and within normal BMI range.

Disingenuous by you to play down the effect covid can have on all people.

T2DM is a higher risk than obesity by the way.

Fair enough but this is an anonymous online forum so I’ll take this with a pinch of salt.

The stats make you an outlier if that’s the case

You were very unlucky unfortunately

TonyMaloney

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I ended up needing oxygen after contracting covid-19. I'm young and within normal BMI range.

Disingenuous by you to play down the effect covid can have on all people.

T2DM is a higher risk than obesity by the way.

Type 2 diabetes?

Are you back to your dazzling best?

gozunda

ypres5 wrote: »

Id wager people in their 60s make up the majority of those hospitalisations also look at how many of our hospital cases arose from people contracting covid-19 there while being admitted for something else.

Whilst the percentages in each age group seem to vary somewhat on a daily basis - a snapshot for example of the 13th of January 2021 shows that the numbers of those in hospital in the 45 to 54 age group and the 55 - 64 age groups as being very similar with a total of 926 versus 1085. A difference of just 159 people.

People contracting covid in hospital included all age groups.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/3f176-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-wednesday-13-january/#hospital-statistics