Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

16-03-2021 04:46PM

Archeron wrote: »

As much as I abhor any violence, I can understand why some might now think its the only possible way to get any reaction.

Are we really at the stage where we are justifying somebody aiming a firework at a man's head for just doing his job?

mollser · 16-03-2021 04:47PM

jams100 wrote: »

It amazes me that this is what the like of O'Donovan is focusing on when issues like the 5km limit, golf / tennis courses closed, a vaccine that's seen by the EMA as safe being suspended.

I'm really speechless that this is all he has to offer, alcohol isn't the reason covid spreads its people and its under control more than enough to permit outdoor activities.
Likewise a car doesn't crash itself, someone crashes it (Leaving aside self driving cars)

This is another example where they've just lost the room, start focusing on 'safe' activities, i.e. outdoors, and encourage people to do them, and not indoors.

Because they've made no effort to educate the population on the benefits and how utterly safe it is doing things outdoors (NOT indoors), we have the curtain twitcher culture, moving people indoors to avoid their gaze (and encouraged by the gardai). One utter loon on our local FB group giving out about the mothers collecting their kids from school, outside and having the chats. It's this level of moronity that has been promoted and encouraged by our dear The Nephet.

AlekSmart · 16-03-2021 04:48PM

ypres5 wrote: »

and when are we planning on vaccinating that critical mass? because the government's actions indicate they're in no hurry to get people vaccinated

Interestingly enough there are,IMO a significant number of "People" who are in no hurry to get vaccinated.

Slowly,but steadily there are signs of increasing fragility in European Countries social systems which will not take long to wash up on our seabord.

Both NPHET and it's client are,I'm sure well aware of the manpower issues faced by the Gardai,should large scale Public Disobedience become the norm.

Given that NPHET and our Civil Service are well stocked with statisticians and modelers,they know it's now down to maintaining the FEAR factor amongst the masses....in fact...that FEAR factor is now all that is left,as already the numbers out and about are telling the tale to anybody bothered to open their eyes.

This situation could go VERY bad,VERY quickly if our Elected Representatives do not take heed of the murmours.

The term "Acting in aid of the Civil Power" may well get to be used again before long.

dalyboy · 16-03-2021 04:48PM

gansi wrote: »

An outflow of Irish refugees seeking refuge in Scotland!!!

In the words of William Wallace “freeeeeeeeedom”
Hehe

Whatsisname · 16-03-2021 04:49PM

RobitTV wrote: »

I know personally of a person in England who is in his 20s and has been offered dates for both of his covid shots. He is perfectly healthy and has no underlying conditions.

This is such a successful vaccine rollout programme. In Ireland you could be waiting until the end of the year for someone that young.

My girlfriends friend who is 25, no underlying conditions, got her first dose last weekend. Girlfriends sister is 30, no underlying conditions and is getting her first dose this Saturday. I'm mid 20's, wouldn't be surprised if I'm offered mine by the the start of May. My grandparents in their mid 70's at home still haven't been contacted about theirs.

gozunda · 16-03-2021 04:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Then stop quoting them when it's convenient for you.

Maybe you could read the comments before replying?

I was replying to an issue raised about the WHO by another posterc so no its bugger all about being 'convenient' or otherwise.

Mucho apologias if the discussion doesn't suit. :rolleyes:

Hellrazer · 16-03-2021 04:56PM

Eivor wrote: »

Was it you who had that template for the email to send to government representatives? If so, any chance you could repost? It was really well written as far as I remember. I’d love to send it to all my local representatives.

I used the same template - the td list of emails is attached.
Attached for you.

dalyboy · 16-03-2021 04:56PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

My girlfriends friend who is 25, no underlying conditions, got her first dose last weekend. Girlfriends sister is 30, no underlying conditions and is getting her first dose this Saturday. I'm mid 20's, wouldn't be surprised if I'm offered mine by the the start of May. My grandparents in their mid 70's at home still haven't been contacted about theirs.

Similar situation for me too. O.H early forties , administration for health authority and got the vaccine. Our folks early 70’s (one immune compromised) not a word from the GP’s.
I reckon it’ll be July for our folks and early next year for me. (Early 40’s too)

It’s sadly gonna give the gov the perfect excuse to drag this on well into the late summer.

facehugger99 · 16-03-2021 04:57PM

Archeron wrote: »

Genuine question, what can we do about this now?

Protesting is banned under the guise of protecting public health, unless of course you're protesting something that our dear leaders don't want a twitter storm over, in which case fill your boots and have a lovely day.

Politicians are simply ignoring the people. I have emailed 20 public representatives about the ongoing situation, and only one bothered their hole replying.

The Media are so warped and biased that its gone beyond a joke - RTE and the others have made a disgrace of themselves while simultaneously terrifying the most vulnerable people in our country. My sick elderly father has been almost in tears with worry on numerous occasions because of their obviously agenda driven news articles.

Muppets like McConkey and his ilk seem to have as much air time as they desire to spout their sh*te and are NEVER questioned on any part of it. Who made these dopes into celebrities?

If I say that I think the 5km rule is ridiculous, I'm labelled a far right nut job and a granny killer. Nuance has totally been removed from any conversations or considerations and that is so obvious in particular on this thread.

We are being lied to, manipulated and having our futures destroyed by a group of people who are making it clear that they simply don't give a damn what we think as long as they get to enforce their rules. Whether they are right or wrong is a different question, the important thing is we have a right to question them and demand answers. Except it seems now we don't anymore

Is violence on the streets the only remaining option? I am watching my country and my life go down the toilet and we are expected to just sit here and take it.

What I cannot fathom is how this never ending procession of muppets in the media have not yet had their feathers clipped. If the government had any cop on whatsoever they would keep these fools out of the media and take control of the situation, thus helping stop some of the confusion and mixed messages.

This is what a government of absolutely spineless cowards has gotten us.

As much as I abhor any violence, I can understand why some might now think its the only possible way to get any reaction.

The reaction will come when people are asked to pay for it all.

Over €50bn added to our debt - that's €10k for every man, woman and child in the State.

We have nothing to show for this money, no infrastructural investments, no societal improvements to hand onto the next generation. It's been channeled into the pockets of giant corporations.

Why should Leo and Meehole make a decision they could be held accountable for? Easier to fling around taxpayers money and borrow tens of billions off future generations.

The protests will happen all right and it'll be far too late when they do - it already is in fact.

And the really funny thing, is that it'll be the same lads who cheered the lockdown on who'll cry the loudest when their money is raided to pay for this criminal waste.

Anyone who has the ability, should get out of this ****hole of a country if they can.

gozunda · 16-03-2021 05:05PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The reaction will come when people are asked to pay for it all.
Over €50bn added to out debt - that's €10k for every man, woman and child in the State.
We have nothing to show for this money, no infrastructural investments, no societal improvements to hand onto the next generation. It's been channeled into the pockets of giant corporations. Why should Leo and Meehole make a decision they could be held accountable for? Easier to fling around taxpayers money and borrow tens of billions off future generations.
The protests will happen all right and it'll be far too late when they do - it already is in fact.
And the really funny thing, is that it'll be the same lads who cheered the lockdown on who'll cry the loudest when their money is raided to pay for this criminal waste.Anyone who has the ability, should get out of this ****hole of a country if they can.

I still gobsmacked facehugger - that you haven't heard about the current global situation.

News flash- there's a global pandemic atm.

And Ireland was heavily indebted long before this year. As far as I remember we were third in 2018. So little change there.

I'm curious exactly where people are going to go? Most other countries have experienced similar spending on heath care etc during the pandemic. In Ireland additional social welfare has also been added to that.

Tell me facehugger - do you honestly believe Covid-19 doesn't exist or that its all a big conspiracy by governments and 'giant corporations'?

KrustyUCC · 16-03-2021 05:06PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/northern-irelands-stay-at-home-rule-to-lift-next-month-1097157.html

Northern Ireland plans

Might put a bit of pressure on our lot

16-03-2021 05:07PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The reaction will come when people are asked to pay for it all.

Over €50bn added to our debt - that's €10k for every man, woman and child in the State.

We have nothing to show for this money, no infrastructural investments, no societal improvements to hand onto the next generation. It's been channeled into the pockets of giant corporations.

Why should Leo and Meehole make a decision they could be held accountable for? Easier to fling around taxpayers money and borrow tens of billions off future generations.

The protests will happen all right and it'll be far too late when they do - it already is in fact.

And the really funny thing, is that it'll be the same lads who cheered the lockdown on who'll cry the loudest when their money is raided to pay for this criminal waste.

Anyone who has the ability, should get out of this ****hole of a country if they can.

How has the PUP being channeled into large corporation? Genuinely curious what the conspiracy is.

hynesie08 · 16-03-2021 05:07PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/northern-irelands-stay-at-home-rule-to-lift-next-month-1097157.html

Northern Ireland plans

Might put a bit of pressure on our lot

Pretty much exactly the same as I'm expecting down here. Maybe no separation of click and collect.

silverharp · 16-03-2021 05:10PM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The reaction will come when people are asked to pay for it all.

Over €50bn added to our debt - that's €10k for every man, woman and child in the State.

We have nothing to show for this money, no infrastructural investments, no societal improvements to hand onto the next generation. It's been channeled into the pockets of giant corporations.

Why should Leo and Meehole make a decision they could be held accountable for? Easier to fling around taxpayers money and borrow tens of billions off future generations.

The protests will happen all right and it'll be far too late when they do - it already is in fact.

And the really funny thing, is that it'll be the same lads who cheered the lockdown on who'll cry the loudest when their money is raided to pay for this criminal waste.

Anyone who has the ability, should get out of this ****hole of a country if they can.

not nothing, office culture will not be the same again, I doubt commuting will go back to 2019

KrustyUCC · 16-03-2021 05:17PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Pretty much exactly the same as I'm expecting down here. Maybe no separation of click and collect.

I couldn't see sports teams being back maybe bar juvenile training at a push

Having non essential retail open across the border bound to be a draw up north

Eivor · 16-03-2021 05:23PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I used the same template - the td list of emails is attached.
Attached for you.

That doesn’t open for me for whatever reason

Edit: never mind, got it!

hynesie08 · 16-03-2021 05:27PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

I couldn't see sports teams being back maybe bar juvenile training at a push

Having non essential retail open across the border bound to be a draw up north

I just meant that we won't open click and collect at garden centres the week before everywhere else, we'll just open click and collect full stop.

bb1234567 · 16-03-2021 05:39PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

My girlfriends friend who is 25, no underlying conditions, got her first dose last weekend. Girlfriends sister is 30, no underlying conditions and is getting her first dose this Saturday. I'm mid 20's, wouldn't be surprised if I'm offered mine by the the start of May. My grandparents in their mid 70's at home still haven't been contacted about theirs.

Yeh I ran into my neighbour who was just back from London a while ago and said he'd been offered his vaccine, in his 20's and healthy. And then a few hours later was talking to my neighbour in her late 70's , distraught at how long it was taking for her to become eligible. Pinning her hopes on her GP contacting her if there was any no-shows that day. Some difference..

timmyntc · 16-03-2021 05:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How has the PUP being channeled into large corporation? Genuinely curious what the conspiracy is.

The businesses that remain open are large supermarket chains, and online shopping behemoths (Amazon et al) - this is where people's PUP is being spent. They cant spend it anywhere else really.

Most SMEs in the country are hospitality/restaurants/cafes/pubs or supply chain for hospitality. they are all closed. they are not benefitting from PUP.

dalyboy · 16-03-2021 05:51PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/northern-irelands-stay-at-home-rule-to-lift-next-month-1097157.html

Northern Ireland plans

Might put a bit of pressure on our lot

Up to six people from no more than two households can meet outdoors in a private garden.
Ten people, from no more than two households, able to participate in outdoor sporting activities. Golf courses to reopen (clubhouses to remain closed).
Click and collect purchases allowed from garden centres and plant nurseries

Golf courses reopening all but guarantees a mass exodus from south to north come the 1st of April. Must dust off my clubs. 2 weeks and counting.

FintanMcluskey · 16-03-2021 05:52PM

timmyntc wrote: »

The businesses that remain open are large supermarket chains, and online shopping behemoths (Amazon et al) - this is where people's PUP is being spent. They cant spend it anywhere else really.

Most SMEs in the country are hospitality/restaurants/cafes/pubs or supply chain for hospitality. they are all closed. they are not benefitting from PUP.

Likely that poster is being deliberately obtuse.

All indigenous businesses are closed in Ireland for months now, many unlikely to ever reopen

There is very few people who don’t realise this

hamburgham · 16-03-2021 05:53PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-one-of-the-lowest-causes-of-death-in-ireland-between-june-and-september-2020-1.4511871#.YFDhLZXh1cA.mailto

Covid one of the lowest causes of death in Ireland in Q3 2020

In case you don't feel like reading it.

Jul- Sept 2020
Total deaths 7,111
Cancer 2,356
Covid 191

And if the terminally ill cancer patient had covid when they died, classified as covid rather than a cancer death. Corelation rather than causation is what matters when classifying a covid death. You can only laugh.

darem93 · 16-03-2021 05:54PM

NI's easing of restrictions for next month is actually more conservative than I thought it would be. No mention of hairdressers or barbers and still only click and collect for non-essential retail.

16-03-2021 05:58PM

hamburgham wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-one-of-the-lowest-causes-of-death-in-ireland-between-june-and-september-2020-1.4511871#.YFDhLZXh1cA.mailto

Covid one of the lowest causes of death in Ireland in Q3 2020

In case you don't feel like reading it.

Jul- Sept 2020
Total deaths 7,111
Cancer 2,356
Covid 191

And if the terminally ill cancer patient had covid when they died, classified as covid rather than a cancer death. Corelation rather than causation is what matters when classifying a covid death. You can only laugh.

So more than double the Covid deaths in q3 than previously recorded then. Crikey, ye really are ramping up the negativity.

A terminally ill cancer patient would be recorded as cancer, with covid as a contributing factor by the way.

A non terminally ill cancer patient would be recorded as covid with cancer as contributing factor

walus · 16-03-2021 06:00PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I don’t know what we can do in Ireland. Advising the next generation to emigrate may be the best option.

Were are the 3rd most indebted nation in the world now and have persisted to keep construction closed.

Tom Parlon is making as much noise as he can about that crisis. About 5000 less homes built this year. Essentially the younger generation have seen any future they may have had in Ireland obliterated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/business/construction/covid-restrictions-will-result-in-5-000-fewer-homes-this-year-1.4510827%3fmode=amp

Fintan, could you please paste a link to the source of that info? Thanks.

dalyboy · 16-03-2021 06:02PM

darem93 wrote: »

NI's easing of restrictions for next month is actually more conservative than I thought it would be. No mention of hairdressers or barbers and still only click and collect for non-essential retail.

It does come across a bit conservative though I’d say they’ll move fairly swiftly throughout this reopening leading up to a semi full reopening approx beginning of June .
They have to keep the DUP happy up there and they’ll go ape sh1t if the north ain’t in line with mainland UK (particularly England)

It’s unlikely we will hear looney suggestions of 10 or 20 weeks reappraisal of the situation like down here in our nuthouse.

I hope (although realistically unlikely) it’ll light a fire under the backsides of our gov to at least come up with even a semi plan out of this shambles.

dalyboy · 16-03-2021 06:04PM

hamburgham wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-one-of-the-lowest-causes-of-death-in-ireland-between-june-and-september-2020-1.4511871#.YFDhLZXh1cA.mailto

Covid one of the lowest causes of death in Ireland in Q3 2020

In case you don't feel like reading it.

Jul- Sept 2020
Total deaths 7,111
Cancer 2,356
Covid 191

And if the terminally ill cancer patient had covid when they died, classified as covid rather than a cancer death. Corelation rather than causation is what matters when classifying a covid death. You can only laugh.

Wait for pro restrictions inevitable “yes but if we didn’t lockdown the deaths would have been xxxxxxx”
Conveniently ignoring Sweden , the Dakotas etc

_Kaiser_ · 16-03-2021 06:13PM

gozunda wrote: »

I still gobsmacked facehugger - that you haven't heard about the current global situation.

News flash- there's a global pandemic atm.

I for one am tired of this trite soundbite being used to excuse any action or wave-away any objection to the current approach.

Yes there's a global pandemic.... that affects a tiny percentage of the population, and where the overwheming majority suffer little to no effects at all (if they even realise they have it)

On the other hand, the social division and rising anger and frustration, growing economic turmoil that will follow this, and the extremely worrying erosion and suspension of our rights and freedoms (in some cases literally overnight) is very much clear to see.

I'll ask you the same question I previously asked one of your like-minded fellow posters (but never got a reply to as far as I recall) - How much is enough for you??

Sobit1964 · 16-03-2021 06:19PM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9368213/Nicola-Sturgeon-says-Scotlands-pubs-restaurants-OK-reopen-food-INDOORS-April-26.html

Scotland opening indoors dining and 'wet' pubs by April 26th - 3 weeks ahead on England. Road trip to NI - ferry to Scotland?

themacattack. · 16-03-2021 06:21PM

RobitTV wrote: »

Will NPHET be on the cans tomorrow? down in the park with a few of the boys

just imagine if someone somewhere could get tony H to a party in public on paddys day...get him on the vodka and then very discreetly take a pic of him dancing and hugging strangers chugging away ...the pandemic would be finished...we can only dream

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