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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #6362
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I don't understand how some people think it's a sustainable strategy. Last March there was an acknowledgement that lockdown could only be a brief measure or people would push back. We're now almost 3 months into the current lockdown with talk of another 10 weeks before there's any significant easing and people are surprised that there's pushback.

    Is madness. Then you have people saying even if hospital numbers are down and vulnerable are vaccinated "what about long covid."

    With that moving of goalposts we will never get out of lockdown.


  • #6363
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,328 ✭✭✭prunudo


    big syke wrote: »
    Is madness. Then you have people saying even if hospital numbers are down and vulnerable are vaccinated "what about long covid."

    With that moving of goalposts we will never get out of lockdown.

    One of the things that the past year has shown me is, we're a great country for finding problems, never solutions.


  • #6364
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    big syke wrote: »
    Is madness. Then you have people saying even if hospital numbers are down and vulnerable are vaccinated "what about long covid."

    With that moving of goalposts we will never get out of lockdown.

    The public acceptance if lockdown at this stage in the game is honestly startling. I knew most Irish people were like sheep with no desire to actually utilize critical thinking and rational thought processes to arrive at their own conclusions, but it's honestly worse than feared.

    It would make your mind go to dark places wondering what the government would actually need to do before most of these people actually take a stand.


  • #6365
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Monster249 wrote: »
    The public acceptance if lockdown at this stage in the game is honestly startling. I knew most Irish people were like sheep with no desire to actually utilize critical thinking and rational thought processes to arrive at their own conclusions, but it's honestly worse than feared.

    It would make your mind go to dark places wondering what the government would actually need to do before most of these people actually take a stand.

    I made that point last week.

    Even if this rolls on for months and months the vast majority will adhere.

    Businesses, sports clubs, offices etc have to adhere and people just for the most part do what they are told.


  • #6366
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    snotboogie wrote: »
    It's 8 hours from Mizen head to Malin head. Even Cork City to Letterkenny is a good 5 hours

    Good point. It'd be no harm to nail those in Letterkenny who'd frivolously pop down to Mizen Head to the local Centra.


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  • #6367
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,071 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    I reckon there's a load not adhering to it and they just don't realise they aren't. The 5k in particular I know loads who are breaking it regularly.


  • #6368
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,812 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Stheno wrote: »
    I actually have sympathy for Glynn and Nolan, and even Houlihan at times

    Currently they are trying to convey imo a message of hope with caution most of the time, but are being let down by government imo

    I don’t know how much sympathy I would have for NPHET.

    The communication models they use are based upon tweeting from their own social media accounts.

    The sum total of what this team of 39 recommend to live with Covid is to keep Ireland under more severe mitigation than the rest of Europe for the past year

    The government created a monster in NPHET, which will continue to bully the nation until it’s stopped


  • #6369
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    big syke wrote: »
    I made that point last week.

    Even if this rolls on for months and months the vast majority will adhere.

    Businesses, sports clubs, offices etc have to adhere and people just for the most part do what they are told.


    Of course they will. In reality with places closed people can be as edgy as they like in wanting to break restrictions but options will be too curtailed to do it in any significant way.


  • #6370
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    big syke wrote: »
    I made that point last week.

    Even if this rolls on for months and months the vast majority will adhere.

    Businesses, sports clubs, offices etc have to adhere and people just for the most part do what they are told.

    I would have agreed with you up to a few weeks ago .Every single person I know or know of is now not sticking to seeing nobody at all . I see people all the time meeting in front and back gardens , in parks on benches and out walking in small groups . We are adults who know we cannot be shut away for 13 weeks and have done our own risk assesment . People who religiously stuck to every restriction up till now are now meeting others outdoors
    They have lost the people now and most people are welll aware of their own and others mental health and looking out for each other .
    The message needs to change and advise outdoor meetings or the people will decide what is right .


  • #6371
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I would have agreed with you up to a few weeks ago .Every single person I know or know of is now not sticking to seeing nobody at all . I see people all the time meeting in front and back gardens , in parks on benches and out walking in small groups . We are adults who know we cannot be shut away for 13 weeks and have done our own risk assesment . People who religiously stuck to every restriction up till now are now meeting others outdoors
    They have lost the people now and most people are welll aware of their own and others mental health and looking out for each other .
    The message needs to change and advise outdoor meetings or the people will decide what is right .

    I get ya and agree.

    I guess thinking about it now what i mean in reality apart from meeting up with people businesses, sports facilitis, clubs etc are all closed and if they close indefinitely we can do nothing about it and will do nothin about it.

    We will all moan and thats just it


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  • #6372
    Government buildings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 423 ✭✭Government buildings


    What percentage of people who contact covid, die from it?


  • #6373
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    big syke wrote: »
    I made that point last week.

    Even if this rolls on for months and months the vast majority will adhere.

    Businesses, sports clubs, offices etc have to adhere and people just for the most part do what they are told.

    It's not even the "doing what they're told" bit that's shocking, it's the fact that they actively defend the government and when you try to extract some rationale as to why, they just regurgitate some tripe they hard Ronan Glynn say.

    If there was widespread distain then you'd be less inclined to believe that this lockdown will persist for the next few months but people seem, nearly content being locked up for this long, it's honestly mind blowing.


  • #6374
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I would have agreed with you up to a few weeks ago .Every single person I know or know of is now not sticking to seeing nobody at all . I see people all the time meeting in front and back gardens , in parks on benches and out walking in small groups . We are adults who know we cannot be shut away for 13 weeks and have done our own risk assesment . People who religiously stuck to every restriction up till now are now meeting others outdoors
    They have lost the people now and most people are welll aware of their own and others mental health and looking out for each other .
    The message needs to change and advise outdoor meetings or the people will decide what is right .

    I would agree with this , I think we'll see an acceleration of people doing their own thing and no longer sticking with the restrictions. I stuck by them best I could since day one. Had enough now.


  • #6375
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    titan18 wrote: »
    I reckon there's a load not adhering to it and they just don't realise they aren't. The 5k in particular I know loads who are breaking it regularly.

    the 5K is only for exercise, I went in the car to Carrickmines last weekend which is well outside 5K for me to do some shopping, I wouldnt give it a second thought

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6376
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,071 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    silverharp wrote: »
    the 5K is only for exercise, I went in the car to Carrickmines last weekend which is well outside 5K for me to do some shopping, I wouldnt give it a second thought

    You can only go outside 5k for essential reasons (like shopping as you say). Going outside 5k to head to the beach, greenways, parks etc isn't essential which is what I know people are doing.


  • #6377
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    silverharp wrote: »
    the 5K is only for exercise, I went in the car to Carrickmines last weekend which is well outside 5K for me to do some shopping, I wouldnt give it a second thought
    Many do view it as an absolute limit and anything beyond is supposed to be for essential reasons only. Not everyone wants to go shopping and then there's also the potential of a Garda conversation. No big deal really, but tedious and a challenge for some.


  • #6378
    leahyl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,488 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    There was a GP on with Rachel English on Morning Ireland and I thought he spoke very well and certainly would allay any fears someone might have about taking the AstraZeneca vaccine. He was to the point and balanced.


  • #6379
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Many do view it as an absolute limit and anything beyond is supposed to be for essential reasons only. Not everyone wants to go shopping and then there's also the potential of a Garda conversation. No big deal really, but tedious and a challenge for some.

    I saw one clip of a garda saying the same thing, so they dont seem to know either,if something is open its because it essential, you would need to talk yourself into saying you are going to something essential for non essential reasons :pac:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #6380
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Government buildings wrote: »
    What percentage of people who contact covid, die from it?

    Figures vary, but the case fatality rate is probably around the 0.3% mark. That's if it's purely cases; some %s may be as high as 1.5%.

    But these are confirmed cases and don't consider other widespread transmissions, such as asymptomatic transmission.

    It also doesn't factor innate immunity that some people have based on exposure to similar virions.


  • #6381
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    So you think more interaction between more people is going to result in less cases?

    No but we can't continue to base every decision made in this country on trying to lower case numbers. Covid isn't the only thing happening in this country and we need to stop treating it as such.


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  • #6382
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,090 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    An analysis of the 'clotting' issue data. Excerpt of summary from article: "If there is a link between the vaccine and clots, the incidence is so rare that the benefits, preventing COVID-19, far exceed this supposed risk of the vaccine. One of the anti-vaccine tropes is to convince us that a vaccine has to be perfect, but that’s not how the world of science works."

    https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-and-blood-clots-lets-go-for-facts-first/


  • #6383
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 939 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Staines was on newstalk about half an hour ago saying there should be a proper risk assessment on outdoor activities like golf. He wasn't calling for it to definitely be allowed but doing a risk assessment is much more sensible than NPHET's close everything just in case approach.

    We've reached the point where Anthony Staines is in favour of a more open approach than NPHET. We're well and truly through through looking glass.

    He's actually been talking about the low risk of outdoor activities frequently over the last while.


  • #6384
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Igotadose wrote: »
    An analysis of the 'clotting' issue data. Excerpt of summary from article: "If there is a link between the vaccine and clots, the incidence is so rare that the benefits, preventing COVID-19, far exceed this supposed risk of the vaccine. One of the anti-vaccine tropes is to convince us that a vaccine has to be perfect, but that’s not how the world of science works."

    https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-and-blood-clots-lets-go-for-facts-first/

    Why do most articles omit the issue is not the standard blood clots, it's the rarer ones in the brain and found in young people. And why would the UK see none and Norway see 3/4 with a smaller amount of doses given.


  • #6385
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Nolan and nphet spout some horse****, the dogs on the streets know that the cases are going up now because the schools are back. It's bloody common sense but there are no outbreaks in schools and it's households again now according to these geniuses . They should concentrate on telling people that schools are essential and hence cases will rise and stop treating us like idiots.

    Yeah maybe so. Will be clearer in a couple of weeks but the easter holidays will confound it.

    https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1371760111123857411?s=20


  • #6386
    Mark1916
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Mark1916


    https://twitter.com/vonderleyen/status/1371759257004171266?s=21


  • #6387
    aziz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭aziz


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah maybe so. Will be clearer in a couple of weeks but the easter holidays will confound it.

    https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1371760111123857411?s=20

    This is what will happen,cases to go up,blame put on people socialising


  • #6388
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah maybe so. Will be clearer in a couple of weeks but the easter holidays will confound it.

    https://twitter.com/lukeming/status/1371760111123857411?s=20
    When Luke is being used in support of any argument you've lost the plot completely!


  • #6389
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Why do most articles omit the issue is not the standard blood clots, it's the rarer ones in the brain and found in young people. And why would the UK see none and Norway see 3/4 with a smaller amount of doses given.
    We seem to be getting to that statistical 1 in a million chance or even smaller. An investigation of it will benefit everyone, especially with what appears to be the clustered nature of them.


  • #6390
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    is_that_so wrote: »
    When Luke is being used in support of any argument you've lost the plot completely!

    His post was funny unlike yours.

    Kids need education.
    Covid is low risk to them.

    I get the logic.I just find it mighty coincidental. Telling us that schools are safe and therefore spread doesn't have a material impact on overall numbers while blaming people who happen to live in a house is a load of sh!te and everyone can see through it.

    That's all.


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  • #6391
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    His post was funny unlike yours.

    Kids need education.
    Covid is low risk to them.

    I get the logic.I just find it mighty coincidental. Telling us that schools are safe and therefore spread doesn't have a material impact on overall numbers while blaming people who happen to live in a house is a load of sh!te and everyone can see through it.

    That's all.

    agree with this - NPHET are asking us to trust them that their recommendations are based on data - when in the case of schools its convenient that our test and tracing doesn't link cases to schools. Its a clear case of not practicing what they are preaching


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