Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

markodaly · 15-03-2021 11:21PM

shafty100 wrote: »

would you care to explain why the irish times and rte who were contacted by the village magazine in relation to the varadkar leak refused to cover the story ?

I guess they are in cahoots with Leo and FG? The only plausible explanation, am I right?

Jinglejangle69 · 15-03-2021 11:23PM

markodaly wrote: »

I guess they are in cahoots with Leo and FG? The only plausible explanation, am I right?

Something about the establishment and control of the media.

markodaly · 15-03-2021 11:30PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Something about the establishment and control of the media.

Yeap, some Trumpian conspiracy akin to stealing an election or hiding news stories akin to Pizzagate or something.
I've asked a few posters to explain some of their posts regarding this line of questioning and conspiracy-lite claims, with little success.

But the narrative is nice and cuddly for those who don't like the government parties, the government/Leo/FG/someone is telling the Irish Times or RTE what stories to run or not run, with no proof mind. The proof isn't needed anymore to make such claims, the claims themselves are enough.

smurgen · 15-03-2021 11:33PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Nothing more than cowardice. They are afraid to face the electorate and are clinging on to get the pensions. This is not putting the country first, this is nothing more than greed.

They'd be decimated. Deeply deeply unpopular with the electorate.

golfball37 · 16-03-2021 12:00AM

markodaly wrote: »

Yeap, some Trumpian conspiracy akin to stealing an election or hiding news stories akin to Pizzagate or something.
I've asked a few posters to explain some of their posts regarding this line of questioning and conspiracy-lite claims, with little success.

But the narrative is nice and cuddly for those who don't like the government parties, the government/Leo/FG/someone is telling the Irish Times or RTE what stories to run or not run, with no proof mind. The proof isn't needed anymore to make such claims, the claims themselves are enough.

The proof was enough to warrant a criminal investigation. Not only that he admitted he did it.
RTÉ spent more time on some no mark sf td tweeting about the Provo’s the same time the Tanaistes ethics were shown up to be not of the standard required.
For me that’s not normal anyway.

markodaly · 16-03-2021 12:04AM

golfball37 wrote: »

The proof was enough to warrant a criminal investigation. Not only that he admitted he did it.
RTÉ spent more time on some no mark sf td tweeting about the Provo’s the same time the Tanaistes ethics were shown up to be not of the standard required.
For me that’s not normal anyway.

The Leo story when it broke was covered at length by both RTE and the Irish Times.
There is no proof of any conspiracy of Leo/FG exercising editorial control over the content RTE and the Irish Times put out, NONE!

So please, stop peddling Trumpian levels of falsehoods.

smurgen · 16-03-2021 12:05AM

golfball37 wrote: »

The proof was enough to warrant a criminal investigation. Not only that he admitted he did it.
RTÉ spent more time on some no mark sf td tweeting about the Provo’s the same time the Tanaistes ethics were shown up to be not of the standard required.
For me that’s not normal anyway.

The conspiracy theories seem to be on the side of those left to explain Leo's actions. They're abandoning reason to support dodgy politicians. Maga-esque!

jmcc · 16-03-2021 12:12AM

markodaly wrote: »

So please, stop peddling Trumpian levels of falsehoods.

About Varadkar's connection with Trump and that planning permission...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/varadkar-reveals-aid-he-gave-to-trump-over-doonbeg-golf-course-1.3428608

Regards...jmcc

TheCitizen · 16-03-2021 12:12AM

Varadkar’s position is entirely untenable. Disgusting to watch Jennifer MacNeill get aggressive in support of him. The weak media uncomfortable in due diligence of this. Poor stuff.

This chancer can not continue as Tanaiste and return as Taoiseach.

TheCitizen · 16-03-2021 12:16AM

markodaly wrote: »

The Leo story when it broke was covered at length by both RTE and the Irish Times.
There is no proof of any conspiracy of Leo/FG exercising editorial control over the content RTE and the Irish Times put out, NONE!

So please, stop peddling Trumpian levels of falsehoods.

Stop calling him Leo. Varadkar is his name and he is the Trump of Irish politics.

Cluedo Monopoly · 16-03-2021 12:18AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Stop calling him Leo. Varadker is his name and he is the Trump of Irish politics.

Varadkar

smurgen · 16-03-2021 12:18AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Varadker’s position is entirely untenable. Disgusting to watch Jennifer MacNeill get aggressive in support of him. The weak media uncomfortable in due diligence of this. Poor stuff.

This chancer can not continue as Tanaiste and return as Taoiseach.

Christ how did they think putting her on was a good idea? she's the Bailey replacement clone, wife of former Goldman Sachs director, whose family miraculous got the handsanitizer contract and then gave a defective product to the schools.
She is an example of all that is wrong in Irish Politics.

jmcc · 16-03-2021 12:19AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Varadker’s position is entirely untenable. Disgusting to watch Jennifer MacNeill get aggressive in support of him. The weak media uncomfortable in due diligence of this. Poor stuff.

It didn't work out well for Varadkar. Carthy concentrated on the ethical and political ramifications whereas Carroll MacNeill tried to argue about the criminal investigation and the process. Even Clare Byrne with the Gerry Adams tangent couldn't save Varadkar.

Regards...jmcc

TheCitizen · 16-03-2021 12:23AM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Varadkar

Whatever. This is the biggest scandal in Irish politics in recent years and yet he’s being protected and the story pushed down the agenda in Irish news bulletins on national airwaves. Quite unbelievable and disturbing.

Cluedo Monopoly · 16-03-2021 12:24AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Stop calling him Leo. Varadker is his name and he is the Trump of Irish politics.

TheCitizen wrote: »

Whatever. This is the biggest scandal in Irish politics in recent years and yet he’s being protected and the story pushed down the agenda in Irish news bulletins on national airwaves. Quite unbelievable and disturbing.

No, Varadkar.

TheCitizen · 16-03-2021 12:28AM

jmcc wrote: »

It didn't work out well for Varadkar. Carthy concentrated on the ethical and political ramifications whereas Carroll MacNeill tried to argue about the criminal investigation and the process. Even Clare Byrne with the Gerry Adams tangent couldn't save Varadkar.

Regards...jmcc

It’s amazing to witness. His position is entirely untenable. Brazen arrogance of the kind that saw FG lose their position as most popular political party in the state in the most recent General Election.

TheCitizen · 16-03-2021 12:29AM

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

No, Varadkar.

Yes. You said that. Varadkar should be gone.

elperello · 16-03-2021 12:31AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Whatever. This is the biggest scandal in Irish politics in recent years and yet he’s being protected and the story pushed down the agenda in Irish news bulletins on national airwaves. Quite unbelievable and disturbing.

That's the fifth time I've seen/heard the story aired on RTE today.

TheCitizen · 16-03-2021 12:39AM

elperello wrote: »

That's the fifth time I've seen/heard the story aired on RTE today.

Was driving home today had Newstalk on. They flagged the story on their drive time show but didn’t address it until about 18:45. Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. RTE? Clare Byrne trying to help MacNeill to dampen down the SF spokesperson Matt Carthy. Shocking stuff.

Why is Varadkar deemed untouchable? Get him out, he’s corrupt. At the very least he should step aside while the investigation is carried on towards him.

elperello · 16-03-2021 01:04AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Was driving home today had Newstalk on. They flagged the story on their drive time show but didn’t address it until about 18:45. Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. RTE? Clare Byrne trying to help MacNeill to dampen down the SF spokesperson Matt Carthy. Shocking stuff.

Why is Varadkar deemed untouchable? Get him out, he’s corrupt. At the very least he should step aside while the investigation is carried on towards him.

I don't know about Newstalk but it was on Morning Ireland first and on all news shows and bulletins that I saw/heard.

There is no conspiracy to cover it up.

He is not untouchable, time will tell.

jmcc · 16-03-2021 01:14AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

It’s amazing to witness. His position is entirely untenable. Brazen arrogance of the kind that saw FG lose their position as most popular political party in the state in the most recent General Election.

She represents the kind people that FGHQ thinks vote for it. The problem is that this is really pissing off the Laura Norder vote in a way that the Baily Swinggate mess did not. This is about a taoiseach who leaked a confidential document to a friend. The emphasis has also shifted from the Official Secrets Act to corruption legislation. The way that FF and the Greens have repackaged this as an FG problem is even worse as they are effectively washing their hands of the problem. In the event of a no confidence vote, there is no guarantee that FF backbenchers will support Varadkar. There is probably a lot of anger in FF about how Cowen Junior and Calleary were treated. Even RTE's blatant cheerleading for Varadkar is not helping. SF has the correct approach on this in the way that it is presenting it as an ethical, moral and political failure by Varadkar and FG. It is not seeking to pre-empt the Garda criminal investigation into Varadkar's activity but it is forcing FFG to make a choice that it does not want to make. FFG either forces Varadkar to resign or it faces losing votes in the upcoming GE.

Regards...jmcc

Jinglejangle69 · 16-03-2021 01:25AM

TheCitizen wrote: »

Was driving home today had Newstalk on. They flagged the story on their drive time show but didn’t address it until about 18:45. Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable. RTE? Clare Byrne trying to help MacNeill to dampen down the SF spokesperson Matt Carthy. Shocking stuff.

Why is Varadkar deemed untouchable? Get him out, he’s corrupt. At the very least he should step aside while the investigation is carried on towards him.

Do you think anyone who has a job in life should step aside while an investigation is been carried out?

Guilty until proven innocent is the way now?

People loose their jobs before telling their side of a story?

RandomViewer · 16-03-2021 01:37AM

Is the kid gloves because of Varadkars alleged dalliance with Scientology

jmcc · 16-03-2021 01:38AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Do you think anyone who has a job in life should step aside while an investigation is been carried out?

This is now a Garda criminal investigation.

Guilty until proven innocent is the way now?

The results of the Garda criminal investigation will be forwarded to the DPP and the DPP will then decide if there is a case to answer.

People loose their jobs before telling their side of a story?

Varadkar admitted to leaking the confidential document to his friend.

Regards...jmcc

Jinglejangle69 · 16-03-2021 01:41AM

jmcc wrote: »

This is now a Garda criminal investigation.

The results of the Garda criminal investigation will be forwarded to the DPP and the DPP will then decide if there is a case to answer.

Varadkar admitted to leaking the confidential document to his friend.

Regards...jmcc

So basically he's innocent until proven guilty.

Like anyone else who gets accused of a crime.

Thanks.

JJ

jmcc · 16-03-2021 01:53AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So basically he's innocent until proven guilty.

Varadkar admitted leaking a confidential document to his friend. If you have been paying attention, the legal focus has shifted from the Official Secrets Act to corruption legislation.

Regards...jmcc

Captain_Crash · 16-03-2021 08:32AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Do you think anyone who has a job in life should step aside while an investigation is been carried out?

Yes... If the investigation is in relation to actions carried out during the course of performing your role, or a previous role occupied in the same company then you’ll almost certainly be suspended while the investigation is ongoing!

TheCitizen · 16-03-2021 09:01AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Yes... If the investigation is in relation to actions carried out during the course of performing your role, or a previous role occupied in the same company then you’ll almost certainly be suspended while the investigation is ongoing!

Yes, and Fine Gael are extremely Trump like in their aggression. That was a disgusting performance by MacNeill on Prime Time last night.

Are FF members just going to sit there while FG fail to take responsibility and throw their toys out of the pram? FG holier than thou arrogance was always their biggest fault. Old FFers turning in their grave as they stand idly by while the corrupt Varadkar tries to brazen it out with haughty aggression.

blanch152 · 16-03-2021 10:16AM

Heard Mary-Lou on Newstalk this morning. Couldn't believe her attempt to say that the leaking of a document was a worse crime than ordering the death of a young mother.

Incredible performance, and not in a good way.

Pintman Paddy Losty · 16-03-2021 10:24AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Heard Mary-Lou on Newstalk this morning. Couldn't believe her attempt to say that the leaking of a document was a worse crime than ordering the death of a young mother.

Incredible performance, and not in a good way.

As long as it's 'for the cause' it can be excused away in SF.

Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

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