Leo Varadkar story in The Village??? - Mod Notes and banned Users in OP updated 16/05

shtpEdthePlum

markodaly wrote: »

Ah lads, come on, this is one of those Enda Kenny stories. :pac::pac:
Also, 15 people in the middle of a level 5 lockdown?
I think not.

It was mother's day, and I rang two of my friends who had their first child this year to see what they were up to. I called four sisters, my mother and grandmother on the phone / went out for 2 walks with individual friends, zoomed with my cousins. I also said hi to next door because they work nights so I hadn't seen them in ages and a lad from up the road went past when I put out the bin so we were chatting briefly. Pretty sad anyone would consider that exceptional.. standard enough Sunday, esp given the fact that it was an "occasion" anyway.

Poor Leo.

Issuing a standard warning that anything Mr Varadkar says will be taken down and may be given in evidence is a commonplace precursor to interviewing a witness or potential defendant in a criminal investigation, sources said.

Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

Bubbaclaus

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

It was mother's day, and I rang two of my friends who had their first child this year to see what they were up to. I called four sisters, my mother and grandmother on the phone / went out for 2 walks with individual friends, zoomed with my cousins. I also said hi to next door because they work nights so I hadn't seen them in ages and a lad from up the road went past when I put out the bin so we were chatting briefly. Pretty sad anyone would consider that exceptional.. standard enough Sunday, esp given the fact that it was an "occasion"

Varadkar's gestapo will be knocking on your door after that admission of restrictions breaching :pac:

Ted_YNWA

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

But do you know there was a funeral in Belfast last year?

Doesitmatter21 wrote: »

I for one am glad this has been upgraded to a full investigation, as it shows the no one is above the law

Did you call for Brian Stanley to resign over some tweets??

MOD.

Don't post here again.

You are just intent of shoehorning Sinn Fein into this thread.

shtpEdthePlum

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Varadkar's gestapo will be knocking on your door after that admission of restrictions breaching :pac:

I literally didn't breach restrictions

Bubbaclaus

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

I literally didn't breach restrictions

You said you went out for 2 walks with individual friends?

shtpEdthePlum

I thought that was allowed.

Well balls.

smurgen

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Varadkar's gestapo will be knocking on your door after that admission of restrictions breaching :pac:

Sure he's fond of a lockdown party himself another area he'd be hypocritical in:P. I hope he held onto them yellow socks

https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/927935574887010306?s=19

BobbyMalone

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

There's no Varadkar related items in the top 50 twitter trends in Ireland right now either. Is the big cover up going all the way to Silicon Valley?

https://getdaytrends.com/ireland/

You know you can go back and see what was trending when the story actually broke? LeoTheLeak was number 2. It was also the longest trending (for 11 hours).

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

People need to step back from the edge a bit. Deep State/QAnon type stuff can suck people in without them even realising.

It's hardly QAnon to question why the story doesn't appear on the front page of the website of the Independent (at all!) whereas the first sighting of a walrus in Ireland is featured prominently.

Bubbaclaus

BobbyMalone wrote: »

You know you can go back and see what was trending when the story actually broke? LeoTheLeak was number 2. It was also the longest trending (for 11 hours).





It's hardly QAnon to question why the story doesn't appear on the front page of the website of the Independent (at all!) whereas the first sighting of a walrus in Ireland is featured prominently.

The poster was querying why it still wasn't there yesterday evening, I was trying to show that it had moved off the main news cycle by pointing out none of the top 50 trends on twitter related to it either at that point. I'm well aware it was a news item earlier in the day. It was even on the front page of the Independent's print version too. Pretty bad cover up job by them really.

_Kaiser_

smurgen wrote: »

This is it. They're in too deep. You'd have to wonder what the tipping point will be. The level of unity in support is startling. Looks almost like coercive control. You'd have to wonder what sort of intimidation is done behind closed doors.

I think the problem is that like FF, there's no clear successor if Leo goes.

Coveney would seem to be the obvious choice of course but remember he was passed over despite grassroots support. The likes of Harris and McEntee (FG's "new generation" and some of the worst ministers we've had yet) owe their careers to Leo and are of much the same mold.

Additionally, I personally think Coveney would be worse for Ireland in the long run given his ties to the late Peter Sutherland and the European agenda - as bad as Leo is (and he is) the level of damage he can do on the wider scale is minimal as Leo is all about Leo.

If he does go it'll destabilise an already fragile Government only held together by their desire to keep SF out, so FF won't be too keen on pushing him out either (Martin has enough problems as it is).

SF seem to be quiet so far which is surprising. Maybe they'll keep their mouths shut and let the Government implode in front of them, after which they'll sweep the board no doubt - something I think will be disastrous for our small FDI-dependent economy and those of us who pay for everything.

Whatever happens here, I think the moderate middle-class worker who DOES "get up early in the morning" will lose out badly.

BackOfMyBag

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think the problem is that like FF, there's no clear successor if Leo goes.

Coveney would seem to be the obvious choice of course but remember he was passed over despite grassroots support. The likes of Harris and McEntee (FG's "new generation" and some of the worst ministers we've had yet) owe their careers to Leo and are of much the same mold.

Additionally, I personally think Coveney would be worse for Ireland in the long run given his ties to the late Peter Sutherland and the European agenda - as bad as Leo is (and he is) the level of damage he can do on the wider scale is minimal as Leo is all about Leo.

If he does go it'll destabilise an already fragile Government only held together by their desire to keep SF out, so FF won't be too keen on pushing him out either (Martin has enough problems as it is).

SF seem to be quiet so far which is surprising. Maybe they'll keep their mouths shut and let the Government implode in front of them, after which they'll sweep the board no doubt - something I think will be disastrous for our small FDI-dependent economy and those of us who pay for everything.

Whatever happens here, I think the moderate middle-class worker who DOES "get up early in the morning" will lose out badly.

never interrupt your enemy when hes making a mistake.

markodaly

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think the problem is that like FF, there's no clear successor if Leo goes.

Coveney would seem to be the obvious choice of course but remember he was passed over despite grassroots support. The likes of Harris and McEntee (FG's "new generation" and some of the worst ministers we've had yet) owe their careers to Leo and are of much the same mold.

Additionally, I personally think Coveney would be worse for Ireland in the long run given his ties to the late Peter Sutherland and the European agenda - as bad as Leo is (and he is) the level of damage he can do on the wider scale is minimal as Leo is all about Leo.

If he does go it'll destabilise an already fragile Government only held together by their desire to keep SF out, so FF won't be too keen on pushing him out either (Martin has enough problems as it is).

SF seem to be quiet so far which is surprising. Maybe they'll keep their mouths shut and let the Government implode in front of them, after which they'll sweep the board no doubt - something I think will be disastrous for our small FDI-dependent economy and those of us who pay for everything.

Whatever happens here, I think the moderate middle-class worker who DOES "get up early in the morning" will lose out badly.

They are quiet because the precedent was set some years back when Gerry Adams was arrested by the PSNI over the murder and disappearing of Jean McConville. Even though he was questioned over a number of days, no political party asked him to step down as leader of SF.*


Also, other parties have to be careful as if they blow their top, they can rightly, be charged with harming the prospect of a fair trial, if it comes to that.
So, in essence, this has gone from the political arena to the justice arena. The Gardai will take it from here, so best for others to stay quiet and let them do their job.

*Hugh O'Connell made this point on Newstalk yesterday and I am not trying to shoehorn SF into this, as I am responding to a poster.

Doesitmatter21

markodaly wrote: »

You tell me? As a new poster you should know how to search my posts.
Anyway, its a tad off-topic, no?

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smurgen

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I think the problem is that like FF, there's no clear successor if Leo goes.

Coveney would seem to be the obvious choice of course but remember he was passed over despite grassroots support. The likes of Harris and McEntee (FG's "new generation" and some of the worst ministers we've had yet) owe their careers to Leo and are of much the same mold.

Additionally, I personally think Coveney would be worse for Ireland in the long run given his ties to the late Peter Sutherland and the European agenda - as bad as Leo is (and he is) the level of damage he can do on the wider scale is minimal as Leo is all about Leo.

If he does go it'll destabilise an already fragile Government only held together by their desire to keep SF out, so FF won't be too keen on pushing him out either (Martin has enough problems as it is).

SF seem to be quiet so far which is surprising. Maybe they'll keep their mouths shut and let the Government implode in front of them, after which they'll sweep the board no doubt - something I think will be disastrous for our small FDI-dependent economy and those of us who pay for everything.

Whatever happens here, I think the moderate middle-class worker who DOES "get up early in the morning" will lose out badly.

Yep. Unfortunately the backing of Varadkar has left the party exposed. There's also serious quality issues with some of their other TD's. If Coveney stepped up to the plate it would really help strengthen the party. Harris is a useless bluffer and weak.

smurgen

When's Leo going to wipe the floor with the Village? Must be really hard for the Irish Time blueshirt reporters right now.

https://ibb.co/P4Ddbvm

Floppybits

smurgen wrote: »

Yep. Unfortunately the backing of Varadkar has left the party exposed. There's also serious quality issues with some of their other TD's. If Coveney stepped up to the plate it would really help strengthen the party. Harris is a useless bluffer and weak.

The fact that Harris and McEntee are being discussed a future leaders of FG and Chambers being discussed as a future leader of FF, if they survive the next few years, we really are scrapping the bottom of the barrel for leaders.

Dempo1

Poor Leo, the most distressing thing to date for him is being mentioned in the same article as one Charles Haughey

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/how-some-of-our-most-high-profile-politicians-had-brushes-with-the-law-40196277.html

shatners bassoon

smurgen wrote: »

When's Leo going to wipe the floor with the Village? Must be really hard for the Irish Time blueshirt reporters right now.

https://ibb.co/P4Ddbvm

The state of this one gleefully backing Leo. And her a former solicitor.

markodaly

smurgen wrote: »

When's Leo going to wipe the floor with the Village? Must be really hard for the Irish Time blueshirt reporters right now.

https://ibb.co/P4Ddbvm

As a matter of interest, what reporters are you referring to?

LollipopJimmy

I've not really paid much heed to this, I am firmly in the camp of Ministers and TDs alike should be working their backsides off to keep our economy and health service afloat. These distractions are a pain and need to be dealt with but I know all the opposition will focus on this week is this, again and the government will be answering questions about it. Leo should step aside and let the rest get on with things.

I am disgusted that the Justice Minister in waiting felt it appropriate to comment, nevermind back him.

thomas 123

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I've not really paid much heed to this, I am firmly in the camp of Ministers and TDs alike should be working their backsides off to keep our economy and health service afloat. These distractions are a pain and need to be dealt with but I know all the opposition will focus on this week is this, again and the government will be answering questions about it. Leo should step aside and let the rest get on with things.

I am disgusted that the Justice Minister in waiting felt it appropriate to comment, nevermind back him.

Sure the current one did also. Just not right that our sitting ministers can back something without knowing all the facts.

I re-watched heathers attack on Sinn Fein during Leo’s confidence speeches back in Nov - she spent the entire time saying she has faith in Leo but did not say one factual thing as to why she had faith in him.
Bizarre that a person like that can be in a position of such power.

Pintman Paddy Losty

As this is an ongoing investigation I wonder if this thread should probably be closed?

Bannasidhe

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

It has yeah. The thread should have been locked at the time. It was just you in here chasing your tale rabbitting on about Frances Fitzgerald. They could have opened it up again when there was further developments.

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

As this is an ongoing investigation I wonder if this thread should probably be closed?

Which is it Paddy?


Close the thread until there are further developments or close the thread because there has been further developments?

BackOfMyBag

your a tad early wanting the discussion to be shut down pintman lost, he hasnt been officially charged yet. and even if it is closed here, it's being discussed elsewhere on the web anyway.
who would have thought in 2021 wed be discussing the leader of fine gael potentially facing criminal charges because he thought he was too big to fall.

jmcc

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

As this is an ongoing investigation I wonder if this thread should probably be closed?

Things getting that bad for Leo the Leak? It is currently a criminal investigation rather than an active court case.

Regards...jmcc

Fann Linn

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

As this is an ongoing investigation I wonder if this thread should probably be closed?

Ah Paddy you're brilliant. Only a few weeks back you were saying 'nothing to see here', when ye weren't batting for Maria Bailey on the other thread.

A bit of advice for the week that's in it; stay away from Cheltenham, Pat.

Fann Linn

BackOfMyBag wrote: »

never interrupt your enemy when hes making a mistake.

Wasn't that from the Rommel playbook?

jmcc

Fann Linn wrote: »

Wasn't that from the Rommel playbook?

Napoleon said it in the movie about the battle of Waterloo. Seriously though, things seem to be getting serious now that the Irish Times is even reporting on this story:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/garda%C3%AD-set-to-send-file-on-varadkar-leak-to-the-dpp-1.4510220

With the lack of the Saint Paddy's day junkets for the political class, they won't be able to run away from this story.

Regards...jmcc

smurgen

The Indo attempting to normalize Criminal investigations into Irish politicians. This is comical stuff. Leo after lowering the tone and the bar big time.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1371378205400174592?s=19

jmcc

smurgen wrote: »

The Indo attempting to normalize Criminal investigations into Irish politicians. This is comical stuff. Leo after lowering the tone and the bar big time.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1371378205400174592?s=19

Well at least it isn't another Blue Hugh piece. Don't think that Varadkar is quite in Haughey's class when it comes to corruption.

Regards...jmcc