When will it all end?

ypres5 · 15-03-2021 10:05PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

What planet are you on ??? Making such a comment shows how little you consider anything except your own view of the current situation

468,000 on PUP
188,500 on live register
410,000 employees availing of the TWSS

Thats a million people. Do you think "life has carried on " for all these people ?
So the subsidies might feed you, your family and keep the lights and heat on but they don`t pay the mortgage, the car loans, the credit card etc etc

Cop yourself on, you`re a disgrace

scotty's grand so everyone else can **** off for all he cares.

15-03-2021 10:06PM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Exactly, my father is living on his own. He's wondering what's the point of living like this when he knows his time is limited. How many more people like this?
What about a single woman looking for a partner/child who's time is running up? But DID and aldi are open so I suppose it's grand.

Baffling that someone could say only a tiny minority are suffering.

Absolutely. I have family in their 80’s totally depressed. Suffering.
A manager at work homeschooling 2 kids and running a department. Suffering.
I’m still at work and I’m suffering.
I think tbh everyone is suffering in some way big or small. The notion that anyone isn’t is a complete fantasy.

But no worries, we just have to do another (insert arbitrary # of months here) of this and we’re golden - at least according to some folk.

aido79 · 15-03-2021 10:07PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Agree - the problem is this type of stuff when thrust down everyone throats begins to have huge psychological impact and in the case of the R number it's nothing but alarmist nonsense - if it isn't a data point you can trust or rely on why quote it or even refer to it.

They're estimates but they are indicators of the level of covid in the country. The people who are tested are tested for a reason, either because they have symptoms or because they are close contacts in most cases.
Without these estimates we would have no idea if the level of covid was high or low in the community.

drunkmonkey · 15-03-2021 10:10PM

aido79 wrote: »

Masks have been used in Asia for years to limit the spread of cold and flu and it has been shown to have a positive effect on the spread of cold and flu in Ireland this winter so I don't think it be a bad idea for people with flu or cold symptoms to wear masks going forward.

You may want to go check the science on that one. They've had no effect on Rhinovirus and Enterovirus in Ireland throughout the pandemic. It's safe to assume they've had little to no quantifiable effect on Covid either. They help amp the fear and anxiety levels though, suppose that's a positive depending on your point of view.

SnuggyBear · 15-03-2021 10:11PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Absolutely. I have family in their 80’s totally depressed. Suffering.
A manager at work homeschooling 2 kids and running a department. Suffering.
I’m still at work and I’m suffering.
I think tbh everyone is suffering in some way big or small. The notion that anyone isn’t is a complete fantasy.

But no worries, we just have to do another (insert arbitrary # of months here) of this and we’re golden - at least according to some folk.

It's hard to fathom someone so out of touch with reality

ypres5 · 15-03-2021 10:11PM

the kelt wrote: »

Exactly!

I mean February 2020 we had an unemployment rate of 4.8% now it’s literally 20% more. By what logic is that a tiny proportion?

an unemployment rate of 20% puts us in the same rate as the likes of ethiopia, montenegro, swaziland and Kosovo we're really batting in the big leagues now

Ha Long Bay · 15-03-2021 10:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Absolutely. I have family in their 80’s totally depressed. Suffering.
A manager at work homeschooling 2 kids and running a department. Suffering.
I’m still at work and I’m suffering.
I think tbh everyone is suffering in some way big or small. The notion that anyone isn’t is a complete fantasy.

But no worries, we just have to do another (insert arbitrary # of months here) of this and we’re golden - at least according to some folk.

Have they been vaccinated? I would have thought\hoped they would have got the first shot at this stage.

15-03-2021 10:13PM

john4321 wrote: »

Have they been vaccinated? I would have thought\hoped they would have got the first shot at this stage.

No word as of yet unfortunately. But I doubt it’ll matter. They’ve fallen victim to the fear of vaccines. They’ve reached the point now where they don’t care if it kills them.

Ha Long Bay · 15-03-2021 10:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

No word as of yet unfortunately. But I doubt it’ll matter. They’ve fallen victim to the fear of vaccines. They’ve reached the point now where they don’t care if it kills them.

Where did they get that fear from?

haskellgeek · 15-03-2021 10:20PM

How many of the pup recipients or wage supplements are public servants/ civil servants or gov employees? None probably

15-03-2021 10:21PM

john4321 wrote: »

Where did they get that fear from?

I have no idea. Most of us are all dying to stick each cheek in the air and have ourselves microchipped at this stage if it gets us out of this mess.
I have another one in the family though that watches way too much EWTN and talks all the time about the new one world government. Also happens to be anti vax if you can believe it.

Risteard81 · 15-03-2021 10:26PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You may want to go check the science on that one. They've had no effect on Rhinovirus and Enterovirus in Ireland throughout the pandemic. It's safe to assume they've had little to no quantifiable effect on Covid either. They help amp the fear and anxiety levels though, suppose that's a positive depending on your point of view.

They're all just part of the social conditioning. They have absolutely no positive effect - they are inherently a negative and, frankly, Satanic imposition.

Ha Long Bay · 15-03-2021 10:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I have no idea. Most of us are all dying to stick each cheek in the air and have ourselves microchipped at this stage if it gets us out of this mess.
I have another one in the family though that watches way too much EWTN and talks all the time about the new one world government. Also happens to be anti vax if you can believe it.

I'll leave you to it sorry thought you were a genuine poster.

Hope your elderly relatives stay safe before they get microchipped.

Sharpyshoot · 15-03-2021 10:31PM

Nphet were right big boys tonight telling us not to buy cans, don’t meet up with no one. We should lock ourselves in our houses altogether and stay in the bunker till 2047.

GazzaL · 15-03-2021 10:33PM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Nphet were right big boys tonight telling us not to buy cans, don’t meet up with no one. We should lock ourselves in our houses altogether and stay in the bunker till 2047.

They're probably upset nobody invited them to a house party on Wednesday.

15-03-2021 10:33PM

john4321 wrote: »

I'll leave you to it sorry thought you were a genuine poster.

Hope your elderly relatives stay safe before they get microchipped.

I am a genuine poster. The microchip was a joke: i.e we will do anything if it helps.

aido79 · 15-03-2021 10:33PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You may want to go check the science on that one. They've had no effect on Rhinovirus and Enterovirus in Ireland throughout the pandemic. It's safe to assume they've had little to no quantifiable effect on Covid either. They help amp the fear and anxiety levels though, suppose that's a positive depending on your point of view.

Show me your research. I'll be amazed if you can show me anything to prove what you say. Maybe stay off silly Facebook groups for a while.

What is all this nonsense you keep going on about with fear? Most people wear a mask to prevent spreading the virus to other people not because they're afraid.

Scotty # · 15-03-2021 10:37PM

Drifter50 wrote: »

So where do I say that everyone on the PUP is suicidal or suffering serious mental health issues ?

That's what the conversation was about. When you quoted me saying 'tiny proportion of the population' I was referring to someone else's comment on people suffering with their mental health, losing their business, etc, etc. You want to disagree with that, that's fine. I believe the vast majority of people are coping mentally and getting on with things.

But you come in telling me I'm a disgrace and quoting PUP figures at me. What have they got to do with what I said? Unless you presume there is a correlation between your mental health and being on the PUP? I don't.

Then, lol, you're telling me to not attack other posters! Rich!

Ha Long Bay · 15-03-2021 10:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am a genuine poster. The microchip was a joke: i.e we will do anything if it helps.

Well might be no harm to promote the benefits of vaccines to them to counter the nonsense your other family member is telling them.

They should only be days\weeks away from vaccination if they are over 80 and this is the hope they are seeking.

drunkmonkey · 15-03-2021 10:43PM

aido79 wrote: »

Show me your research. I'll be amazed if you can show me anything to prove what you say. Maybe stay off silly Facebook groups for a while.

What is all this nonsense you keep going on about with fear? Most people wear a mask to prevent spreading the virus to other people not because they're afraid.

It's all in the weekly surveillance reports from the HSE. Go have a look.

Why do you wear one, fear of yourself! and i'm the one with the tinfoil hat.

aido79 · 15-03-2021 10:51PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's all in the weekly surveillance reports from the HSE. Go have a look.

Why do you wear one, fear of yourself! and i'm the one with the tinfoil hat.

As I said I'll be amazed if you prove what you say. There is no way the HSE are saying that masks don't stop the spread of covid.

I wear one so that if I have contracted covid unknowingly there is less chance of passing it on to other people.
It's a bit like when someone covers their mouth when they sneeze or cough. It's basic common sense but common sense isn't that common anymore.

It doesn't surprise me that you are a member of the tinfoil hat club.

Risteard81 · 15-03-2021 10:54PM

aido79 wrote: »

I wear one so that if I have contracted covid unknowingly there is less chance of passing it on to other people.

That requires ignoring the fact that any study on the topic has shown that there is absolutely no evidence of this mythical "asymptomatic transmission".

mcsean2163 · 15-03-2021 10:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am a genuine poster. The microchip was a joke: i.e we will do anything if it helps.

I'm the same, I'd eat a sh#t sandwich if the vaccine was in the middle just to end this crap.

Fwiw, I lost my private sector job when the schools closed, it was given to a guy with no children. I haven't applied for the pup this time as it's too depressing and we can get by on my wife's salary. Second job I've lost in a year to covid19. I'm going to take a few months out.

mcsean2163 · 15-03-2021 11:00PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

That requires ignoring the fact that any study on the topic has shown that there is absolutely no evidence of this mythical "asymptomatic transmission".

Study on asymptomatic transmission.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707

aido79 · 15-03-2021 11:02PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

That requires ignoring the fact that any study on the topic has shown that there is absolutely no evidence of this mythical "asymptomatic transmission".

Feel free to link some of the studies I have ignored.

Risteard81 · 15-03-2021 11:13PM

aido79 wrote: »

Feel free to link some of the studies I have ignored.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
https://www.uea.ac.uk/news/-/article/wuhan-mass-screening-identifies-hundreds-of-asymptomatic-cases

AlekSmart · 15-03-2021 11:19PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Study on asymptomatic transmission.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707

Thankfully,it's not set in stone.....

As discussed here, the exact proportions of presymptomatic and never symptomatic transmission are not known. This also applies to the incubation period estimates, which are based on individual exposure and onset windows that are difficult to observe with precision and therefore include substantial uncertainty even when leveraging estimates across multiple studies. Moreover, they likely vary substantially in different populations. For example, older individuals are more likely than younger persons to experience symptoms,

I notice that NPHET are now recommeding that people with symptoms of a common cold,should now regard it as Covid.....:rolleyes:

Fear remains the Key.

aido79 · 15-03-2021 11:24PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
https://www.uea.ac.uk/news/-/article/wuhan-mass-screening-identifies-hundreds-of-asymptomatic-cases

That is one spectacular fail. Might have been a good idea to actually read those articles before posting them.

It's the same study and it recommends mask wearing. It also says there is no evidence that asymptomatic people can't pass the virus on to other people:

"The researchers said that their findings did not show that the virus couldn’t be passed on by asymptomatic carriers, and they didn’t suggest that their findings were generalisable.

They said that strict measures—such as mask wearing, hand washing, social distancing, and lockdown—were successful in reducing the virulence of SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan and that asymptomatic people in Wuhan may have low viral loads. This means that the finding cannot be applied to countries where outbreaks have not been successfully brought under control."

pgj2015 · 15-03-2021 11:28PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

I'm the same, I'd eat a sh#t sandwich if the vaccine was in the middle just to end this crap.

Fwiw, I lost my private sector job when the schools closed, it was given to a guy with no children. I haven't applied for the pup this time as it's too depressing and we can get by on my wife's salary. Second job I've lost in a year to covid19. I'm going to take a few months out.

I would take the pup if I was you, even if you don't need it. There are a lot of people in this country who are on social welfare all their life and they haven't contributed anything back, you have. no shame in getting the pup, half the country are on it.

drunkmonkey · 16-03-2021 12:40AM

aido79 wrote: »

As I said I'll be amazed if you prove what you say. There is no way the HSE are saying that masks don't stop the spread of covid.

I wear one so that if I have contracted covid unknowingly there is less chance of passing it on to other people.
It's a bit like when someone covers their mouth when they sneeze or cough. It's basic common sense but common sense isn't that common anymore.

It doesn't surprise me that you are a member of the tinfoil hat club.

Where did I say the HSE said that, I didn't you did. You said they made colds disappear, that's completely wrong.

You've bought into the fear, spin it whatever way you like to make it compute but the fact remains true your motives are driven by fear of being a disease spreader even when you feel healthy. Maybe take a few minutes to reflect on that concept and come up with a plan on how your going to deal with your asymptomatic flu spread in the future.
(CDC say flu and covid have similar asymptomatic spread)

You can't put a figure on how many cases they've prevented or caused, yes I said caused as we always knew that was going to be a problem, even NPHET understood it. Cases have never returned to where they were in the days before the mandate introduction, have a look at the charts.

I've my evidence based opinion formed and nothing is going to change that. The science on masks has not changed between the start of the pandemic and now, Fauchi was correct, Luke O'Neill was correct and so were NPHET.

When will it all end?

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