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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #6272
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Doesn’t sound like we will be getting much beyond in-county travel, golf/tennis and maybe if we’re lucky - Click/Collect, on April 5th.

    Depressing stuff.

    Maybe not on April the 5th but the end game is near for nphet and the government. Northern Ireland will see to that


  • #6273
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I find this statement bizarre, it's almost victim blaming, again without any context - did anyone who watched the briefing actually here this guy say what is quoted?

    Unless he also said that there were more than 10 at the funeral or something, I don't see how he can say that people should not be going to funerals of close family

    And the "I asked her what she had learned" statement is just very poor messaging imo. "Ah so you got Covid, now what did you learn from that"?
    Dr Ray Walley, a member of the National Covid-19 GP Liaison Committee told this evening’s briefing of an elderly patient of his who attended the funerals of her two brothers, two weeks apart.

    As a result she contracted Covid, along with her children and grandchildren.

    "She ended up seriously sick in a general hospital and many of her family ended up similarly," he said.

    "I asked her what was the lesson she learnt from it and she said she should not have gone to either of her brothers' funerals. And these were congregations where you would have some degree of control. Whatever the reasons, congregations should not be happening."

    Dr Walley said he knows it is very difficult not to go to a funeral, but the guidance is there.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0315/1204210-nphet-staying-apart/


  • #6274
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    They do keep saying it’s families, and okay yeah definitely part of it, but where are these cases coming from?
    No indication as to where, why and when. Is it the meat factories, dog food plant? But then where are they catching it? Hospitals and nursing homes look covid free except for patients already in hospital. We really can’t blame travel at the moment.

    Nolan and nphet spout some horse****, the dogs on the streets know that the cases are going up now because the schools are back. It's bloody common sense but there are no outbreaks in schools and it's households again now according to these geniuses . They should concentrate on telling people that schools are essential and hence cases will rise and stop treating us like idiots.


  • #6275
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    I don't know where youse live but around my town there are packs of teenagers everywhere, have been for weeks. I don't envy their parents, I would say I would have been the same when I was 16.

    Easy to blame the schools but they give it plenty of chances to spread on their own.


  • #6276
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Stheno wrote: »
    I find this statement bizarre, it's almost victim blaming, again without any context - did anyone who watched the briefing actually here this guy say what is quoted?

    Unless he also said that there were more than 10 at the funeral or something, I don't see how he can say that people should not be going to funerals of close family

    And the "I asked her what she had learned" statement is just very poor messaging imo. "Ah so you got Covid, now what did you learn from that"?



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0315/1204210-nphet-staying-apart/

    I don’t know! He was very blunt, not very welcoming, certainly wouldn’t want him as my GP anyway. He was very dismissive as where Glynn and Nolan. Hate saying this but they were playing the don’t be bold now boys and girls for the next couple of months or this won’t work card!


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  • #6277
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Stheno wrote: »
    I find this statement bizarre, it's almost victim blaming, again without any context - did anyone who watched the briefing actually here this guy say what is quoted?

    Unless he also said that there were more than 10 at the funeral or something, I don't see how he can say that people should not be going to funerals of close family

    And the "I asked her what she had learned" statement is just very poor messaging imo. "Ah so you got Covid, now what did you learn from that"?



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0315/1204210-nphet-staying-apart/

    Lord. What did she learn. It's not like she's going to get COVID again and can avoid it with her newfound lesson. If anything the cautionary tale should have been directed to others so they don't do anything. But finger wagging at adults is just cringey anyway all the same and no good will come of it.


  • #6278
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »

    And the "I asked her what she had learned" statement is just very poor messaging imo. "Ah so you got Covid, now what did you learn from that"?

    Borderline psychopathic.

    Almost as if saying:

    "We told you so - you went against our advice. You have been punished accordingly. Now please explain what you have learned from this experience?"

    It's like something you'd read from 1984 to educate the masses against otherwise acceptable behavior.

    Can you think of anything worse to say to someone who has recently attended two funerals of immediate family members?


  • #6279
    newuser99999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭newuser99999


    Stheno wrote: »
    I find this statement bizarre, it's almost victim blaming, again without any context - did anyone who watched the briefing actually here this guy say what is quoted?

    Unless he also said that there were more than 10 at the funeral or something, I don't see how he can say that people should not be going to funerals of close family

    And the "I asked her what she had learned" statement is just very poor messaging imo. "Ah so you got Covid, now what did you learn from that"?



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0315/1204210-nphet-staying-apart/

    It’s disturbing.

    12,000 people flew into Dublin the first week of February and they are trying to shame a woman for going to her brothers funerals.

    These are cold and callous people.


  • #6280
    mohawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭mohawk


    Stheno wrote: »
    I find this statement bizarre, it's almost victim blaming, again without any context - did anyone who watched the briefing actually here this guy say what is quoted?

    Unless he also said that there were more than 10 at the funeral or something, I don't see how he can say that people should not be going to funerals of close family

    And the "I asked her what she had learned" statement is just very poor messaging imo. "Ah so you got Covid, now what did you learn from that"?



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0315/1204210-nphet-staying-apart/

    It’s completely heartless to be honest.


  • #6281
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Reading through the thread the last couple of days it's reminding me a lot of the end of November/beginning of December.

    People are fed up and pissed off and are chafing at what they are hearing from NPHET.

    People's frustration is completely understandable - everyone is mentally worn out and sick of putting their lives on hold.

    But, unfortunately what NPHET is saying is essentially true - the same as it was back in November - if people ignore or stop heeding the public health advice cases will rise and we'll be in a worse position all over again. There's no getting around that. They can't change that message, it's the truth.

    Maybe, sadly, after a period, the only thing that encourages compliance is a rise in case numbers.


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  • #6282
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Stheno wrote: »
    I find this statement bizarre, it's almost victim blaming, again without any context - did anyone who watched the briefing actually here this guy say what is quoted?

    Unless he also said that there were more than 10 at the funeral or something, I don't see how he can say that people should not be going to funerals of close family

    And the "I asked her what she had learned" statement is just very poor messaging imo. "Ah so you got Covid, now what did you learn from that"?



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0315/1204210-nphet-staying-apart/

    Absolute heartless. Who talks to anyone in that manner..


  • #6283
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    Reading through the thread the last couple of days it's reminding me a lot of the end of November/beginning of December.

    People are fed up and pissed off and are chafing at what they are hearing from NPHET.

    People's frustration is completely understandable - everyone is mentally worn out and sick of putting their lives on hold.

    But, unfortunately what NPHET is saying is essentially true - the same as it was back in November - if people ignore or stop heeding the public health advice cases will rise and we'll be in a worse position all over again. There's no getting around that. They can't change that message, it's the truth.

    No, it's not true.

    This same body said throughout summer, when cases were as low as 60-90 per day, that severe restrictions were warranted - far more than our continental neighbors experienced.

    It was wrong then, and it's wrong now.

    They were wrong in October to impose a Lv. 5 lockdown, and they were again proven to be wrong.

    They have a history of being wrong, yet you wheel NPHET out as if it were the font of all knowledge and wisdom.


  • #6284
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,227 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Absolute heartless. Who talks to anyone in that manner..

    It's all black and white to these doctors . They are so accustomed to death they can't understand why someone would need to be at their brothers funeral

    They are borderline sociopaths


  • #6285
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, it's not true.

    This same body said throughout summer, when cases were as low as 60-90 per day, that severe restrictions were warranted - far more than our continental neighbors experienced.

    It was wrong then, and it's wrong now.

    They were wrong in October to impose a Lv. 5 lockdown, and they were again proven to be wrong.

    They have a history of being wrong, yet you wheel NPHET out as if it were the font of all knowledge and wisdom.

    So you think more interaction between more people is going to result in less cases?


  • #6286
    newuser99999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭newuser99999


    Arghus wrote: »

    Maybe, sadly, after a period, the only thing that encourages compliance is a rise in case numbers.

    Well being in constant lockdown except for tiny breaks in the summer and at Christmas certainly isn’t working.

    Maybe they could come up with something new.

    It’s like being lectured by a school teacher for being naughty. They certainly LOVE the sound of their own voices.


  • #6287
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Arghus wrote: »
    Reading through the thread the last couple of days it's reminding me a lot of the end of November/beginning of December.

    People are fed up and pissed off and are chafing at what they are hearing from NPHET.

    People's frustration is completely understandable - everyone is mentally worn out and sick of putting their lives on hold.

    But, unfortunately what NPHET is saying is essentially true - the same as it was back in November - if people ignore or stop heeding the public health advice cases will rise and we'll be in a worse position all over again. There's no getting around that. They can't change that message, it's the truth.
    No it is different now. Once the over 80s are all vaccinated which in the next few weeks who cares how many cases there are? Case numbers will not have the same ratio affect on the icu numbers it did during December as the over 80s are vaccinated. Just look at nursing homes now with the vaccine roll out so it is completely different then December.


  • #6288
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,594 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    newuser99999 wrote: »
    Maybe they could come up with something new.

    Such as?


  • #6289
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Arghus wrote: »
    Reading through the thread the last couple of days it's reminding me a lot of the end of November/beginning of December.

    People are fed up and pissed off and are chafing at what they are hearing from NPHET.

    People's frustration is completely understandable - everyone is mentally worn out and sick of putting their lives on hold.

    But, unfortunately what NPHET is saying is essentially true - the same as it was back in November - if people ignore or stop heeding the public health advice cases will rise and we'll be in a worse position all over again. There's no getting around that. They can't change that message, it's the truth.

    The one thing you’ve said there is that people are worn out and sick of putting our lives on hold.
    With every day we’re getting more and more worn out. There’s no denying that. Possibly why we’ve seen a stagnation in case numbers. I’ve stood by the rules as best as possible I can’t work from home, I deal with hundreds of people daily as I work in a large supermarket, I hear their frustrations daily I see what they buy from the butchers ie large roasting joints for 8/9 people and this is the effect of lockdown. Last year was different, full on 100% strict by the rules, small joints of beef, only enough for the household. As the months went on, summer came, it was 12 burgers 12 sausages 12 drumsticks a tray on wings etc, I’m seeing these kind of buying scenarios again with your daily meats, one woman has went from buying 8 chicken fillets on a Monday to 16 and the reason is she has her sister and parents over for dinner twice a week now, hadn’t seen them since Xmas and has had enough.
    This is what’s happening and is only going to grow. A lot more people are going to relax even the most stringent will start to loosen up.
    This can’t be indefinite, when MM addresses the nation in 2 weeks, he needs to give dates, targets, etc or he will lose the people. If he sends out a clear and decisive message then maybe people will hang on and toughen it out, reach those targets open up and have a summer and no more lockdown!!


  • #6290
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Ah , no dictatorism , that is not the way I heard it .

    They were specifically advising not to gather at Paddy'x and Easter in family groups because of the way numbers went up after Halloween and especially Christmas .
    Not the families causing it , but its AFFECTING whole families , that is what they said.
    They were very careful in their language today that they were just giving advise on public health despite some journos trying to trap Glynn in to giving specific warnings that they could quote for a good headline .
    Beware what you read and hear from some of those in the media . They put their own slant on the message .

    I'm allowed to be dramatic, :) its covid time


  • #6291
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Arghus wrote: »
    Such as?

    rollout antigen testing in schools and other areas with high contact like other countries? Just 1 idea


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  • #6292
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,359 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Arghus wrote: »
    So you think more interaction between more people is going to result in less cases?

    If you allow people meet outdoors they are less likely to go and meet indoors
    You keep people from seeing family for 13 weeks they will go see them . But if you encourage them to meet outdoors and have a meet up in a park or beach then you just might stop some meeting secretly indoors

    At this stage 12 weeks in a lockdown it is all wrong not to allow outdoor contact with a few adults
    I would happily don my thermals and bring a fleece blanket to sit and chat with my friends at this stage


  • #6293
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    No it is different now. Once the over 80s are all vaccinated which in the next few weeks who cares how many cases there are? Case numbers will not have the same ratio affect on the icu numbers it did during December as the over 80s are vaccinated. Just look at nursing homes now with the vaccine roll out so it is completely different then December.
    Only ~14% of 75+ were admitted to ICU, so saying cases don't matter and ICU capacity would be fine is completely incorrect.


  • #6294
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,605 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    No it is different now. Once the over 80s are all vaccinated which in the next few weeks who cares how many cases there are? Case numbers will not have the same ratio affect on the icu numbers it did during December as the over 80s are vaccinated. Just look at nursing homes now with the vaccine roll out so it is completely different then December.

    Case numbers will directly affect Hospitalisation and ICU numbers, as those hospitalised were predominantly under 70.


  • #6295
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    The one thing you’ve said there is that people are worn out and sick of putting our lives on hold.
    With every day we’re getting more and more worn out. There’s no denying that. Possibly why we’ve seen a stagnation in case numbers. I’ve stood by the rules as best as possible I can’t work from home, I deal with hundreds of people daily as I work in a large supermarket, I hear their frustrations daily I see what they buy from the butchers ie large roasting joints for 8/9 people and this is the effect of lockdown. Last year was different, full on 100% strict by the rules, small joints of beef, only enough for the household. As the months went on, summer came, it was 12 burgers 12 sausages 12 drumsticks a tray on wings etc, I’m seeing these kind of buying scenarios again with your daily meats, one woman has went from buying 8 chicken fillets on a Monday to 16 and the reason is she has her sister and parents over for dinner twice a week now, hadn’t seen them since Xmas and has had enough.
    This is what’s happening and is only going to grow. A lot more people are going to relax even the most stringent will start to loosen up.
    This can’t be indefinite, when MM addresses the nation in 2 weeks, he needs to give dates, targets, etc or he will lose the people. If he sends out a clear and decisive message then maybe people will hang on and toughen it out, reach those targets open up and have a summer and no more lockdown!!

    This is brilliant. NPHET should be using the size of beef joint purchases as a metric for compliance, this is probably the most Irish thing I've ever heard and I love it.


  • #6296
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    rollout antigen testing in schools and other areas with high contact like other countries? Just 1 idea

    They should be using antigen testing in meat plants already, so hopefully they roll them out to other places next.


  • #6297
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Apologies if this has already been posted, but Seamus Coffey's latest analysis of Rip.ie data shows that deaths are back to normal levels for this time of the year:

    https://twitter.com/seamuscoffey/status/1370438206110498818


  • #6298
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Only ~14% of 75+ were admitted to ICU, so saying cases don't matter and ICU capacity would be fine is completely incorrect.

    Where did that figure come from?


  • #6299
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,271 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, it's not true.

    This same body said throughout summer, when cases were as low as 60-90 per day, that severe restrictions were warranted - far more than our continental neighbors experienced.

    They were actually 60-90 per week but we weren't quite there yet


  • #6300
    newuser99999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 378 ✭✭newuser99999


    Arghus wrote: »
    Such as?

    Antigen testing in schools supermarkets factories

    Create a proper test and trace set up

    Encourage outdoor activities where it’s safer to give people something to do

    Give people some light at the end of the tunnel


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  • #6301
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,496 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Absolute heartless. Who talks to anyone in that manner..
    Sometimes people are simply caught out by the situation they find themselves in

    I know that if I want to think quickly how to respond to a question my brain can go into overdrive and the words simply come out wrong. In the current pandemic it's going to be the case that those who are not used to handling things in such a public way simply get their wording wrong. Then people like ourselves jump on it, arguably making things even worse


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