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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5882
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    humberklog wrote: »
    There's not. Belgium and most other EU countries are used to their police carrying guns. There's been far bigger protests in countries where police are armed and no one has been shot.

    You're saying guns are a deterrent against breaking restriction, because? Because people are afraid of being shot by police if they break the rules?

    Police carrying guns makes zero difference in the implementation of restriction because everyone knows they're not going to be shot for breaking them. And rightly so because that would be insane.

    You are on a rant here .
    And your style of posting last night was rude and aggressive so why you expect engagement I don't know .
    I never stated that I wanted police to be armed , that would be your taking a post completely out of context
    But I simply stated that there has been a vast difference between the type of lockdowns in some counties in Europe which were more severe , if shorter , and policed differently , in contrast to our more" gentle advisory " lockdowns where for the most part apart from the odd roadblock , our restrictions are not strictly enforced.
    This was not a row ...you chose to take out of context and run with your own particular argument , so you can just keep on running there , I won't be running with you or replying to your very inflammatory posts again .


  • #5883
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Normal rate of blood clot thrombosis = 80 per 100,000 people.

    Millions of AZ doses = a small number will develop clots, but not because of the vaccine.

    Same with deaths. Statistically, some people, by virtue of being old and vulnerable, will die shortly after a vaccination. In fact, it would be MORE surprising if this did not happen.

    This seems obvious with blood clots and AZ vaccine; the numbers reported of clots are so ridiculously small in comparison to the millions of jabs already given. You would almost be forgiven for thinking politics was behind this - again - the third time now that the EU has caused issues with the Oxford-AZ vaccine.

    In fact, you could argue that the risk of death is higher without vaccination and contracting COVID-19 than with a blood clot alone, that is often very easily treated or managed.

    The decision makes no rational sense whatsoever, based on the numbers alone.


    The vaccines under investigation are particular batches that were released in EUROPE .
    Nothing appears to be the issue with the UK batches so cannot include those numbers obviously in any determination of risk .


  • #5884
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    I'm praying this Astra vaccine doesn't fail otherwise ireland will be in a forever lockdown.

    J&J
    Pfizer/Biontech
    Moderna
    Covax
    Novavax.

    We still have plenty of options.
    AZ very unlikely to fail btw.


  • #5885
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    AstraZeneca has provided a robust response, and I agree with them.

    I'm 100% convinced this is a political question rather than a medical problem.

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1371032014221156352

    After this episode, I would hedge my bets that there'll be another problem crafted by the EU against the Oxford-AZ vaccine in the coming weeks.

    In the meantime, the UK has administered 11 million doses with no risk of blood clot formation.

    Again , the vaccines given in the UK are not the batches under review.


  • #5886
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Norway and Iceland are not in the EU.

    The batches they received were the same as the batches received in Denmark and Austria apparently.


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  • #5887
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    The vaccines under investigation are particular batches that were released in EUROPE .
    Nothing appears to be the issue with the UK batches so cannot include those numbers obviously in any determination of risk .

    Not true. (Unless further info has been released?)

    Karina Butler stated it was unrelated to a specific batch. Rather it was the serious nature of the adverse effects and amount of cases that occurred. They need to be investigated.


  • #5888
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It was first reported in Denmark, I believe. And Norway is part of the Oort cloud of the EU, the EEA - along with Iceland and Liechtenstein.

    And yes, after the obscene fiasco the EU created over the AstraZeneca vaccine re: over 65s etc., I wouldn't put anything past them, politically speaking.


    This is not political ! Why would countries be shooting themselves in the foot by stalling however temporarily their vaccine rollout !

    It is worse and doesn't bear contemplating , if it is found that the EU and other European countries are found to have been given an inferior or defective batch / batches by AstraZeneca.
    I sincerely hope that that is not the case , but you can't blame the EU , or governments in European countries for caution in this .


  • #5889
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    The batches they received were the same as the batches received in Denmark and Austria apparently.

    Doesn't appear to be batch related. That looks to have been ruled out


  • #5890
    Halfdane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 49 ✭✭Halfdane


    What about the people who were due to get vaccinated this week and had their appointments cancelled? Will they get another appointment next week or be forgotten about now?


  • #5891
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Halfdane wrote: »
    What about the people who were due to get vaccinated this week and had their appointments cancelled? Will they get another appointment next week or be forgotten about now?
    They'll come back to them when we have supplies.


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  • #5892
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭political analyst


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    you do realise that the 6 nations is a yearly tournament and statrted fresh last month

    I forgot that fact. My bad!


  • #5893
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    The vaccines under investigation are particular batches that were released in EUROPE .
    Nothing appears to be the issue with the UK batches so cannot include those numbers obviously in any determination of risk .

    Why wouldn't you include UK batches in determination of risk - even if no problems there, to identify if there are differences in the other batches causing the issue.


    Anyway, as said by others, tt doesn't seem to be batch related.


  • #5894
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Not true. (Unless further info has been released?)

    Karina Butler stated it was unrelated to a specific batch. Rather it was the serious nature of the adverse effects and amount of cases that occurred. They need to be investigated.

    Not one specific batch no but batches that were released to countries other than UK which is why I said batchES and why we cannot rely on UK numbers to determine risk or lack of .


  • #5895
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Doesn't appear to be batch related. That looks to have been ruled out

    Not ruled out as yet , but would be happy if it is .
    All they know is that it is more than one batch .
    That may not be a positive here .


  • #5896
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Great way to continue with level 5 past April 5th and blame the AZ issues .

    We all know that's whats going to happen now


  • #5897
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Not one specific batch no but batches that were released to countries other than UK which is why I said batchES and why we cannot rely on UK numbers to determine risk or lack of .

    Bloomberg reporting the issues are confined to 2 batches. As Thailand has suspended it also, I wonder if they had the same batch.


  • #5898
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Great way to continue with level 5 past April 5th and blame the AZ issues .

    We all know that's whats going to happen now
    It's not connected at all. The usual suspects will apply in that decision!


  • #5899
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    How long before

    www.astra-zenica-solicitors-4-u.ie is registered ?


    It'll be bombarded by the sort that put missing dog posters from other countries on their Facebook page


  • #5900
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Why wouldn't you include UK batches in determination of risk - even if no problems there, to identify if there are differences in the other batches causing the issue.


    Anyway, as said by others, tt doesn't seem to be batch related.


    What I said is that the UK were given different batches of vaccines to the ones under question.
    So for the op or anyone else to extrapolate that the AZ vaccine is demonstrably safe due to the lack of evidence from the UK about thromboembolic adverse events is pointless as all that shows is that those particular batches were not an issue .

    The batches being examined are the ones issued later to Europe and Thailand among others .


  • #5901
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's not connected at all. The usual suspects will apply in that decision!

    It is linked . The vaccine rollout is linked to deciding if / when restrictions are eased ?


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  • #5902
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Not ruled out as yet , but would be happy if it is .
    All they know is that it is more than one batch .
    That may not be a positive here .

    Prof Butler on various radio stations earlier saying initially last week when Austria reported 2 cases they suspected the batch, however she said this is not now the case.

    I'd say she has more up to date information from the EMA than what's been released to be honest.


  • #5903
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Bloomberg reporting the issues are confined to 2 batches. As Thailand has suspended it also, I wonder if they had the same batch.


    Yes, that is my point exactly , thanks .


  • #5904
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,449 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Prof Butler on various radio stations earlier saying initially last week when Austria reported 2 cases they suspected the batch, however she said this is not now the case.

    I'd say she has more up to date information from the EMA than what's been released to be honest.

    Yes unfortunately , Stephen , it may not be just one batch .
    If they can narrow it down to one production area where there might be an issue it may be a recoverable situation.
    If it is more widespread it is not good for AZ or us and will affect vaccine confidence especially in countries where uptake has not been so good , like France .

    On the plus side it may be that it has nothing to do with the vaccine at all .


  • #5905
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    It is linked . The vaccine rollout is linked to deciding if / when restrictions are eased ?
    No, decisions for April 5 or even May will not. It's the usual measures that will apply even into the summer. It'll be a good while before vaccinations really come into play.


  • #5906
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1371141106998644739?s=19

    It's OK folks, he's going to talk to him on wednesday.


    Meanwhile the Alpha Leaders are seeing it and saying "Hold on, Joe Biden might have some spare vaccines. I'll get on the blower right now."


  • #5907
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1371141106998644739?s=19

    It's OK folks, he's going to talk to him on wednesday.


    Meanwhile the Alpha Leaders are seeing it and saying "Hold on, Joe Biden might have some spare vaccines. I'll get on the blower right now."

    I'll bet your remaining ball that Joe will tell him he sympathises, but can't do anything right now.


  • #5908
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1371141106998644739?s=19

    It's OK folks, he's going to talk to him on wednesday.


    Meanwhile the Alpha Leaders are seeing it and saying "Hold on, Joe Biden might have some spare vaccines. I'll get on the blower right now."
    He does but he ain't gonna give them up until at least May! AZ are nudging him to help them out of a hole too!


  • #5909
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Bloomberg reporting the issues are confined to 2 batches. As Thailand has suspended it also, I wonder if they had the same batch.

    Thailands inital batch came from another Asian country their Health minister said when they arrived in the country end of Feb.

    "Thailand will also receive 117,000 imported doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine on Wednesday, health minister Anutin Charnvirakul told reporters.

    Those were part of the 150,000 "early doses" he had previously said AstraZeneca would provide from another Asian country."

    This is ahead of Thailand locally producing the vaccine.

    Doesn't look like Thailands doses have come from European facilties in any of the research I've done so couldn't be the same batch.


  • #5910
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Turtwig wrote: »
    J&J
    Pfizer/Biontech
    Moderna
    Covax
    Novavax.

    We still have plenty of options.
    AZ very unlikely to fail btw.

    Covax?

    https://www.who.int/initiatives/act-accelerator/covax


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  • #5911
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Covax?

    https://www.who.int/initiatives/act-accelerator/covax

    Probably CureVac.


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