When will it all end?

Monster249 · 14-03-2021 03:11PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

They are never fine. There is no "correct" usage of totalitarian social control measures. These are extremely serious crimes against the Irish People.

Yes I'd tend to agree but I can understand their usage in moderation, they do work and they do protect people.

The problem is when that's their ONLY plan and have nothing else to offer to even attempt to save the economy and the livelyhoods of millions.

FlubberJones · 14-03-2021 03:12PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Looking like if you want to see a gig or match it's over to the UK

Agreed, and the same for a cheap break weekend away type thing too.

They're MILES ahead

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 14-03-2021 03:12PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

He’s thinking of the United States like some others including myself if the situation doesn’t improve here by the end of the year. Total different kettle of fish especially once the masses are vaccinated over there.

See above, I agree but it's a big move to base just on the lockdown.

I'm in North America now since January myself but had it planned before Covid-19 was even in existence.

Monster249 · 14-03-2021 03:13PM

Scotty # wrote: »

In mid January we had the highest infection rate in the world. Is it not expected then that we would have the harshest restrictions afterwards?

At least our number are going in the right direction. For 31 out of 40 countries in Europe their numbers have risen over the last 4 weeks.

We had that because the public were locked up for months prior to Christmas without good reason, what happens when you open the floodgates?

And that's what I'm saying, I'm not saying lockdown after Xmas was the wrong thing to do, it wasn't, I'm saying it was wrong before Christmas. It's also wrong right now for us to still be at this level of restrictions and it's categorically insane for us to be at level 5 post-April.

Infini · 14-03-2021 03:16PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

They are never fine. There is no "correct" usage of totalitarian social control measures. These are extremely serious crimes against the Irish People.

Jaysus could you be anymore dramatic? Lockdowns arent ideal but the virus doesnt give a damn if they are or not.

Micky 32 · 14-03-2021 03:19PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

See above, I agree but it's a big move to base just on the lockdown.

Temporary lockdown i agree but if this is going to keep continuing despite post vaccination in Ireland i can understand why people would want to do it.

I’m in a great position to do it but i’ll only do it if things never improve here though especially if casual travel never resumes between here and the States, as i have family there. However i still believe Ireland will be a far better place by end of the year.

PTH2009 · 14-03-2021 03:20PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

Agreed, and the same for a cheap break weekend away type thing too.

They're MILES ahead

Yeah have tickets to see both Genesis and Elton John in the 3Arena for September and December respectively with both having dates in Arenas all over the UK

The Dublin dates can easily be canned like the Euro 20/21 games with the UK dates going on as planned

landofthetree · 14-03-2021 03:22PM

KaneToad wrote: »

I disagree. They all have very well paid 'normal' jobs which are far less stressful. They have nothing to gain by the existence of NPHET. Unless they are sociopaths

They need lockdown of some sort for few months to keep health system from collapsing.

They are covering up their mismanagement.

ypres5 · 14-03-2021 03:29PM

KaneToad wrote: »

I disagree. They all have very well paid 'normal' jobs which are far less stressful. They have nothing to gain by the existence of NPHET. Unless they are sociopaths

i honestly don't see where the stress is for them theres no bit of planning or nuance from them other than level 5 and inshallah and they certainly don't face any scrutiny from the press and government who seem to have been reduced to their puppets bar the odd dissenting voice

14-03-2021 03:40PM

Do some people think they are not going to ease the restrictions on April 5 like they’ve said they would. Just getting that feeling from some of the posts here. Hope I’m wrong this whole thing is just getting tired now and a bit of certainty is needed.

stefanovich · 14-03-2021 03:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah lads... Covid is harmless to the under 18s. Who cares if they are vaccinated or not?

This is false information. There are under 18s that have been severely ill. Lots of under 18s experiencing long COVID symptoms. What the long term effects are who knows. Keep your kids safe.

El_Duderino 09 · 14-03-2021 03:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don’t care if it sounds like doom and gloom.
We have being in lockdown for almost half a year apart from some slight relaxations over Christmas.

Philip Nolan said yesterday just another 20 weeks.

MM has more or less confirmed already that nothing major is changing on Apr 5th.

And now we have suspended a vaccine when we are already going desperately slow compared to our neighbours on either side.

There is nothing to be positive about right now.

There’s nothing to be positive about right now? That might be reflective of your a state of mind, but it’s not reality.

Anyone who agrees with that post can give up complaining about RTE or MM or NPHET or anyone else and calling them doom and gloom, can remember that they thanked the naked doom and gloom in the post above.

bucketybuck · 14-03-2021 03:47PM

gansi wrote: »

Do some people think they are not going to ease the restrictions on April 5 like they’ve said they would.

They will do what they have done from the start: nothing.

No decisions made, no risks taken, just ignore the hundreds of thousands of people suffering and kick the can down the road instead.

The minor concerns about astra zenaca gives them the only excuse they need to do nothing, they will latch onto it and use it to justify the fact they are rabbits in the headlights.

It's a year in and a cardboard cut-out of mehole would have achieved as much in the last year as the real thing did. They are a disgrace.

Charles Babbage · 14-03-2021 03:47PM

gansi wrote:

Do some people think they are not going to ease the restrictions on April 5 like they’ve said they would. Just getting that feeling from some of the posts here. Hope I’m wrong this whole thing is just getting tired now and a bit of certainty is needed.

If the numbers go down then they'll ease some restrictions, easing them in the face of increasing numbers would be madness. Unfortunately, a certain laxity has crept in and numbers are not going down as they were.

stefanovich wrote: »

This is false information. There are under 18s that have been severely ill. Lots of under 18s experiencing long COVID symptoms. What the long term effects are who knows. Keep your kids safe.

Exactly. And these young people, thousands of them, may experience these symptoms for a very long time

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/long-covid-in-children-new-data-is-cause-for-concern-scientists-say-1.4500084

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime · 14-03-2021 03:48PM

I think people need to realize that the Covid will be around for the rest of our lives, we really should just get on with life at the stage and whatever happens will happen

Very simply, there are always going to be issues with vaccines not being 100% protection against the virus, different people different reactions etc.

Another issue I see today is the latest vaccine has been suspended

Which leads me on to the next issue, a lot of people won't par take in getting the vaccine. They'll give 100 reasons and fine for them but until every person on the planet is vaccinated with a vaccine that is 100% against the virus then you can forget it. It won't happen

So I do really think, vaccinate as many as possible but open it up again after it and just move on with life. Otherwise we will be spending the rest of our days in lockdown

Sure a lot of people will get sick and a lot more will die, but if that has to happen then so be it to get over it all

themacattack. · 14-03-2021 03:51PM

gansi wrote: »

Do some people think they are not going to ease the restrictions on April 5 like they’ve said they would. Just getting that feeling from some of the posts here. Hope I’m wrong this whole thing is just getting tired now and a bit of certainty is needed.

honestly i cant see much being lifted...construction is even a maybe i think with the government/nphets ultra conservative "plan"....never ever should have been shut...people should do what they can for their own mental health...i certainly would not be abiding by the 5k for exercise rule or denying myself the visit of any family members after 12 months of lockdown failure for starters...

FlubberJones · 14-03-2021 03:55PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If the numbers go down then they'll ease some restrictions, easing them in the face of increasing numbers would be madness. Unfortunately, a certain laxity has crept in and numbers are not going down as they were.

Exactly. And these young people, thousands of them, may experience these symptoms for a very long time

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/long-covid-in-children-new-data-is-cause-for-concern-scientists-say-1.4500084

The laxity is down to lockdown fatigue, people are ****ed off with this and will consistently be breaking the "rules"... Ireland needs to be able to respond to this and ease the lockdown to align with the people.

Bit cynical · 14-03-2021 03:57PM

We haven't been told to open up by the EU and nor has there been a credit crunch forcing us lift restrictions to get some economic activity going. Therefore there is no political risk to keeping the lockdown going.

14-03-2021 04:02PM

If we paid 10x the price for a vaccine it still wouldn't cost as much as we're spending on the PUP alone for a single week.
That's the nonsense we're dealing with. "Stay strong", "work together", ****ing nonsense. We (and Europe) are shuffling paper around, twiddling thumbs and doing our best to create work rather than just getting a ****ing move on.

Morries Wigs · 14-03-2021 04:07PM

landofthetree wrote: »

They need lockdown of some sort for few months to keep health system from collapsing.

They are covering up their mismanagement.

good point thats lost on people -the reason why we are in continuing level 5 lockdown is due to the state of our 3rd world health system most people dont get that,pathetic mismangement for decades,still using pen and paper instead of systems

PTH2009 · 14-03-2021 04:20PM

Yeah us the general public have no control over the health system and can do SFA to improve it that's the governments job

Sure the point of lockdown is to get the health system in order but here it's just blame the public

bucketybuck · 14-03-2021 04:22PM

Morries Wigs wrote: »

good point thats lost on people -the reason why we are in continuing level 5 lockdown is due to the state of our 3rd world health system most people dont get that,pathetic mismangement for decades,still using pen and paper instead of systems

And what have they done about it in the past 12 months?

Morries Wigs · 14-03-2021 04:28PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

And what have they done about it in the past 12 months?

nothing

El_Duderino 09 · 14-03-2021 04:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If we paid 10x the price for a vaccine it still wouldn't cost as much as we're spending on the PUP alone for a single week.
That's the nonsense we're dealing with. "Stay strong", "work together", ****ing nonsense. We (and Europe) are shuffling paper around, twiddling thumbs and doing our best to create work rather than just getting a ****ing move on.

Where do you factor in the fact that Ireland is in the top 10% of the world for vaccination rate?

Mr. Karate · 14-03-2021 04:45PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I think people who are saying that goverment/nphet are loving this and are on a power trip etc are getting carried away wit their frustration.

Thats not saying I agree with them.

When you have the like Varadkar grinning like a stupid Cheshire cat when he's announcing these extensions and other bad news you can't be surprised when people start to think he and the rest of the Govt/NPHET are enjoying this and don't want it to end anytime soon. If he wasn't already guaranteed to be back in charge at the end of next year he wouldn't be acting in such a "I don't give a toss" manner.

mcsean2163 · 14-03-2021 04:45PM

The UK has the second strictest lockdown in Europe, we've had the third strictest. We just copy the UK.

Not sure what we'll do when they're vaccinated.

PTH2009 · 14-03-2021 04:46PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

The UK has the second strictest lockdown in Europe, we've had the third strictest. We just copy the UK.

Not sure what we'll do when they're vaccinated.

SFA

They can fly over here and do what they want but we can't travel more than 5k

hynesie08 · 14-03-2021 04:52PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

SFA

They can fly over here and do what they want but we can't travel more than 5k

So nothing will be open but the brits will pile in in their droves will they?

Parachutes · 14-03-2021 05:14PM

bubblypop wrote: »

What absolute rubbish.
Anyone who believes that there are powers in this country who want a never ending lockdown need to get themselves over to the conspiracy forum

And yet here we are, 52 weeks into the 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Some conspiracy!

Charles Babbage · 14-03-2021 05:44PM

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

So I do really think, vaccinate as many as possible but open it up again after it and just move on with life. Otherwise we will be spending the rest of our days in lockdown

Why not just keep those who refuse to get vaccinated in lockdown by required vaccination documentation to enter crowded public spaces? Then the responsible people are safer.

When will it all end?

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