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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5792
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    KanyeSouthEast wrote: »
    Nothing to see here something something pints something something Lanzarote something something something quit whinging.

    man still p1ssed


  • #5793
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    Vicxas wrote: »
    Well doom and gloom has certainly taken hold here this week. After such a promising start

    theres more gloom now than before we had vaccines due to media


  • #5794
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    You should make that comment when you dumped the link.
    I didn't know if you agreed or disagreed with the link.
    Hell someone linked a porn video before, although me thinks that was a mistake in the copy and paste! was fun calling them out over it.

    So lock downs cost lives, I'm sure they do. Through this pandemic we we lost over 4.5k people to covid. How many dies because of lockdown? I assume it's more than 4.5k? If we didn't lockdown, we would have saved those lives you're talking about, but I've a strong feeling we would have lost ALOT more than 4.5k people to covid.

    There's really no way to know, worst deaths per population is Gibraltar with 0.27% of the population dead from covid. That's based on 12% infected.
    So worst case for Ireland would be like 140k dead. I don't think we're close to knowing the actual CFR for covid yet. It's been proven if a country like Brazil let it rip though and keep the country open, people take extra care and stay home as much as possible, it still hurts the economy.

    For Ireland to have 140k dead you'd need every single person in the country to get it at a 3% death rate, when in reality its less than 1%. And your post has numerous thanks?

    Christ


  • #5795
    km79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,528 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    theres more gloom now than before we had vaccines due to media

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0314/1203889-niac-recommends-suspension-of-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccin/


  • #5796
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    We're ****ed lads.


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  • #5797
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,645 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    What does that mean for people who have had one shot


  • #5798
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    See yall in 2022


  • #5799
    fits
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    This is a huge blow. Feck it anyway. How many are we supposed to be getting?

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  • #5800
    lawred2
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    km79 wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0314/1203889-niac-recommends-suspension-of-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccin/

    Only Friday there were no such concerns apparently.

    Spokesperson on the 9pm news was teed up to respond as such in response to news that many European countries were suspending AZ.

    This is going to do nothing for those who had concerns about the speed of vaccine development and approval.


  • #5801
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,790 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    What does that mean for people who have had one shot

    Compete mess

    Imagine those that have had two shots of it - now having to read what they've been given has been suspended.

    Hopefully these blood clots pass as coincidental and not causal...


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  • #5802
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    I'm sure this means that their (non existent) supply will still come in but we won't be distributing it until this clears.

    Could see a bumper April injections


  • #5803
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The cost of piss weak leadership and not going to Russia for the jab gets more expensive by the day.


  • #5804
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    The governments over-reliance on vaccines to get us out of this is backfiring miserably. They have no plan to live with Covid.

    And now we get to languish in level 5 for an extra month or two while they squirm around in the background blaming it on other people.


  • #5805
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The cost of piss weak leadership and not going to Russia for the jab gets more expensive by the day.

    The Government have lost the people at this stage. People are back doing their own thing, even in small ways.

    Even Prof Luke O Neill alluded to this yesterday on RTE speaking to Brendan O Connor.
    He said the Government need to lose their pride and get on the phone to the UK and USA using our political advantage and close relationship with both to ASK for some vaccines! He is right (assuming there are any to spare).


    But more importantly he said the Government cannot keep the public under restriction indefinitely and need to see the huge stress that people are now under!
    Kudos to Luke O Neill, I actually thought he was sounding frustrated and annoyed himself during this interview......

    its the first time I've heard direct criticism from one of these guys at the top, who's on mainstream media every day. Delighted the penny is finally dropping! They Government have treated the public like bold school children , no consultation, no nuanced approach to restrictions, no carrots if numbers decrease in certain counties, a ridiculous 5km rule that is in no other country, blame students, more restrictions.................

    This is going on too long, there won't be mass riots because we all be called anti-vax, right wing scumbags (thank you RTE!).........so the more subtle way and the way most law abiding exhausted citizens will behave now is to get on with their lives, see their family, drive to another county, go for a 10km walk!


  • #5806
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,099 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Hopefully it’s just a temporary suspension

    https://twitter.com/drg1985/status/1371028670521999361?s=21

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  • #5807
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,063 ✭✭✭gifted


    There is no more lock down.....people are moving all over the place. Just stand on the side of a main road and watch the amount of cars going both ways...it's pre lock down levels....


  • #5808
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,698 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    fits wrote: »
    Hopefully it’s just a temporary suspension

    https://twitter.com/drg1985/status/1371028670521999361?s=21

    Hopefully. We will still be taking deliveries and there isn't an issue with administrating the vaccine so hopefully they can be distributed promptly when the green light is given.


  • #5809
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The Government have lost the people at this stage. People are back doing their own thing, even in small ways.

    Even Prof Luke O Neill alluded to this yesterday on RTE speaking to Brendan O Connor.
    He said the Government need to lose their pride and get on the phone to the UK and USA using our political advantage and close relationship with both to ASK for some vaccines! He is right (assuming there are any to spare).


    But more importantly he said the Government cannot keep the public under restriction indefinitely and need to see the huge stress that people are now under!
    Kudos to Luke O Neill, I actually thought he was sounding frustrated and annoyed himself during this interview......

    its the first time I've heard direct criticism from one of these guys at the top, who's on mainstream media every day. Delighted the penny is finally dropping! They Government have treated the public like bold school children , no consultation, no nuanced approach to restrictions, no carrots if numbers decrease in certain counties, a ridiculous 5km rule that is in no other country, blame students, more restrictions.................

    This is going on too long, there won't be mass riots because we all be called anti-vax, right wing scumbags (thank you RTE!).........so the more subtle way and the way most law abiding exhausted citizens will behave now is to get on with their lives, see their family, drive to another county, go for a 10km walk!

    When did RTE use this phrase?


  • #5810
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Hopefully. We will still be taking deliveries and there isn't an issue with administrating the vaccine so hopefully they can be distributed promptly when the green light is given.

    I’m wondering is there some politics behind this decision. A reason not to accept vaccines from the brits down the line. Seems an over the top decision at the moment which may actually kill far more people than this potential side effect.


  • #5811
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    The suspension here of AZ seems huge news to me. I expected it also to be huge news in the UK (either the new cases leading to our decision or just the fact of our decision) as they have so many people injected with this already. Alas, no mention on the BBC or Guardian websites. Sky News does have reference in a crawling text update on screen.

    So, are we totally overreacting or are they totally underreacting?

    In a way, the UK response is arguably more prudent. They may be panicking in private, and media asked to go softly for 24 hours, while they try to get to the bottom of it. In terms of AZs future in Ireland, has it any? Public health told us it wasn't safe for over 70s. Now they pull it temporarily and say it may not be safe at all? Is there any way back from that, public confidence wise, even if it gets the all clear?

    Obviously they had to stop injecting it today I should say....

    Lastly, in terms of the UK, unless this is a batch or manufacturing site specific issue, shouldn't they have had had loads of these clots by now? If not, is it safe so? Or are the UK properly looking for such bad news? I'd see Boris as a pretty upfront, honest type though.....😉


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  • #5812
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jackboy wrote: »
    I’m wondering is there some politics behind this decision. A reason not to accept vaccines from the brits down the line. Seems an over the top decision at the moment which may actually kill far more people than this potential side effect.
    No politics, it's precautionary. If people weren't already so annoyed with AZ already, we'd would be more inclined to wait to see the outcome rather than just react.


  • #5813
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No politics, it's precautionary. If people weren't already so annoyed with AZ already, we'd would be more inclined to wait to see the outcome rather than just react.

    As usual, they take the ever conservative route. If the data was that damning then the UK and US would have also deferred.

    We don't have the luxury of taking precautions at this stage, we just don't.


  • #5814
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭jackboy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No politics, it's precautionary. If people weren't already so annoyed with AZ already, we'd would be more inclined to wait to see the outcome rather than just react.

    Holding back vaccines due to some potential side effect in a tiny proportion of people vaccinated is not cautious. It will kill people and prolong restrictions. If we were cautious we would keep using it until we have reliable data.


  • #5815
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Monster249 wrote: »
    As usual, they take the ever conservative route. If the data was that damning then the UK and US would have also deferred.

    We don't have the luxury of taking precautions at this stage, we just don't.
    I think caution with a new vaccine is a very good approach, however much it infuriates people. It shows a determination to make sure it's safe and it helps persuade people to take it.


  • #5816
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,377 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No politics, it's precautionary. If people weren't already so annoyed with AZ already, we'd would be more inclined to wait to see the outcome rather than just react.

    Seeing the posts since I posted above about the low incidence and the lack of UK data, this is most unfortunate. Its 99% not an issue but AZs reputation in the EU, rightly or more likely wrongly, really didn't need this. In fact it's gonna be a bigger problem in more vaccine wary countries like France.


  • #5817
    Sierra Oscar
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    jackboy wrote: »
    I’m wondering is there some politics behind this decision. A reason not to accept vaccines from the brits down the line. Seems an over the top decision at the moment which may actually kill far more people than this potential side effect.

    Don't really see how the HSE / Government have any other choice. Serious health and regulatory concerns are being raised about the vaccine, they have to take precautions until those concerns have been definitely ruled out which will hopefully happen quickly.

    Can you imagine how exposed the State would be in terms of claims if it was proved the vaccine was having an adverse impact on people and the Government had been advised of this possibility and simply did nothing?

    https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1371041713029050370


  • #5818
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I think caution with a new vaccine is a very good approach, however much it infuriates people. It shows a determination to make sure it's safe and it helps persuade people to take it.

    I agree with caution, what I don't agree with is being too cautious at a point when our economy is dying because they don't know what to do.

    If they want to be over-cautious, that's fine, once they acknowledge they can't ask the public to lockdown for another month to allow them the space for such decisions.


  • #5819
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    gifted wrote: »
    There is no more lock down.....people are moving all over the place. Just stand on the side of a main road and watch the amount of cars going both ways...it's pre lock down levels....

    Yep, I could cross the road last April without waiting. Now I have to wait to let cars pass.


  • #5820
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Monster249 wrote: »
    I agree with caution, what I don't agree with is being too cautious at a point when our economy is dying because they don't know what to do.

    If they want to be over-cautious, that's fine, once they acknowledge they can't ask the public to lockdown for another month to allow them the space for such decisions.

    What would you suggest as an alternative to NPHET advice and government policies?


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  • #5821
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,086 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Don't really see how the HSE / Government have any other choice. Serious health and regulatory concerns are being raised about the vaccine, they have to take precautions until those concerns have been definitely ruled out which will hopefully happen quickly.

    Can you imagine how exposed the State would be in terms of claims if it was proved the vaccine was having an adverse impact on people and the Government had been advised of this possibility and simply did nothing?

    https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1371041713029050370

    There are regulatory agencies paid to approve vaccines and make such decisions. Remember, there was similar stories about the Pfizer vaccine killing old people. We need to keep vaccinating until we have real data that there is an issue.


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