When will it all end?

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t know why they don’t talk more about obesity being a risk factor. They should.

I didn’t defend the 5km restriction. I said that if people want to exercise within 5km of their house (or inside their house) they can do so, no bother. And for free. And that’s just true

Yes your right people can exercise for free but need to consider the reality of the situation. Lots of people are not interested in going for a walk/jog within the same 5km day in day out as mentally it does nothing for them and its hard to enjoy doing a workout in the sitting room to some video. Are those options a real replacement for the Five a side games, GAA, Tennis, Golf, Hiking, sea swimming, the local Zumba class etc.... The answer is no and many I know are quite simply getting unfit.
Personally I still go for a jog a few days a week but by God I'm bored off my tits doing the same streets on my own.

RGS wrote: »

The experts in government and NPHET are right because they cant analyze and create a plan other than lockdown and vaccinate. If that fails continue the lockdown.
And we pay 9 million euro for that crap.

It's only 6 weeks since we had the highest infection rate in the world. Easing out of that is going to be slow and steady.

In an ever evolving situation as we are in now, plans are pretty pointless. We tried that the first lockdown.... "pubs will be open in three weeks", "pubs will be open in three more weeks", "just three more weeks and pubs will be open". The UK have already made arrangements for extending their restriction. They always knew the dates they posted were best case scenario and would almost certainly see some delays.

Yes, plans satisfy some people, but then we you have to delay them, as you inevitably do, you're the worst in the world. I'd love to see a timeline for getting out of lockdown, but I understand why they're reluctant to publish one.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Healthy people are no threat, even if you want to start on about the asymptomatic, people know at this stage not to lick their fingers and keep a safe distance from strangers indoors.
Personal responsibility for yourself should be the order of the day like it has been for millennia. Follow the basics, safe distance, wash your hands. Get on with your life.

Man, I seriously admire you keep trying, but you haven't got a clue.

aido79 wrote: »

Feel free to explain the difference. I believe the trial process is complete but again feel free to prove me wrong.

Within the EU the vaccines have been given Conditional Marketing Authorisation which is not the same as a proper authorisation. It basically means the pro's just about outweigh the con's.

The approval of a medicine that addresses unmet medical needs of patients on the basis of less comprehensive data than normally required.
The available data must indicate that the medicine’s benefits outweigh its risks and the applicant should be in a position to provide the comprehensive clinical data in the future.

Bit cynical wrote: »

However we did not see this translate into deaths in the weeks following as one might expect. There was an increase, but it was nowhere near as much as might have been predicted. This suggests to me that the "worst in the world" infections might have been partly an artifact of testing policy.

Deaths went from 4 per day Christmas week to +90 per day by end of January. How high were we expecting?

Scotty # wrote: »

Abysmal numbers this week.

Just 1% drop in the 7-day average from last Saturday to today.

We need to either enforce lockdown more or introduce more restrictions if we are to have any hope of easing restrictions this side of 2022.

Date|7Day Avg.|Change
02/01/2021|1,647|
09/01/2021|6,257|-280%
16/01/2021|4,150|34%
23/01/2021|2,343|44%
30/01/2021|1,303|44%
06/02/2021|1,035|21%
13/02/2021|893|14%
20/02/2021|797|11%
27/02/2021|657|18%
06/03/2021|531|19%
13/03/2021|526|1%

Hardly abysmal

9000 cases per day in January, now that was abysmal

Scotty # wrote: »

Abysmal numbers this week.

Just 1% drop in the 7-day average from last Saturday to today.

We need to either enforce lockdown more or introduce more restrictions if we are to have any hope of easing restrictions this side of 2022.

Date|7Day Avg.|Change
02/01/2021|1,647|
09/01/2021|6,257|-280%
16/01/2021|4,150|34%
23/01/2021|2,343|44%
30/01/2021|1,303|44%
06/02/2021|1,035|21%
13/02/2021|893|14%
20/02/2021|797|11%
27/02/2021|657|18%
06/03/2021|531|19%
13/03/2021|526|1%

What were you expecting when the schools reopened partially a couple of weeks ago. The governemnt are stringing us along saying the numbers have to keep driving down whilst they are reopening the schools as we go along.

Scotty # wrote: »

Abysmal numbers this week.

Just 1% drop in the 7-day average from last Saturday to today.

We need to either enforce lockdown more or introduce more restrictions if we are to have any hope of easing restrictions this side of 2022.

Date|7Day Avg.|Change
02/01/2021|1,647|
09/01/2021|6,257|-280%
16/01/2021|4,150|34%
23/01/2021|2,343|44%
30/01/2021|1,303|44%
06/02/2021|1,035|21%
13/02/2021|893|14%
20/02/2021|797|11%
27/02/2021|657|18%
06/03/2021|531|19%
13/03/2021|526|1%

What further restrictions would you suggest?

Last time I checked we are fairly restricted at the moment.

Scotty # wrote: »

It's only 6 weeks since we had the highest infection rate in the world. Easing out of that is going to be slow and steady.

Progress will as you say be slow and steady but we numbers wise are already, right now in a very favourable position in worldwide terms.

Scotty # wrote: »

But these numbers are given every day. It's your news source that's only relaying case numbers if that's all you hearing. Change your news source.

Vaccine info here > https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/vaccinations

No wonder they never tell us how many been vaccinated in the daily misery porn figures. Only 570K have been vaccinated [409K with first jab, 160K with second jab] those are pathetic numbers. Varadkar maybe wasn't being as flippant as people thought when he talked about having a lost decade. It will take that long to get everyone vaccinated at the rate they're going.

Scotty # wrote: »

Yes. There's ALWAYS going to be a certain % that don't adhere to restrictions. They allow for that. If current efforts don't work you increase them. It's really not rocket science.

If I could use a cliche. The beatings will continue until morale improves?

Scotty # wrote: »

Curfews, shorter limits, close more retail, close public amenities. All would bring down the numbers. You don't need to be a genius to figure that out. It's what they've done all over the world and it's worked. That's why we move from level to level.

I'm not suggesting they do any of the above.

You have yet to address why you think people will adhere to stricter restrictions when they're not adhering to the current ones?

I.E. what makes you think people will adhere to a curfew when they're not adhering to a 5k radius?

You can't use the example from a different country. Different countries haven't been in lockdown for 9 months. Harsher restrictions work when used sparingly, our government have used them too much and now they're not as effective.

Therefore fighting back with even harsher restrictions are only going to alienate the people who are adhering and piss off the people who aren't even more.

It's dangerous that a human being can't see that & can't recognize the practical, human element of this stuff.

Case numbers are totally irrelevant, the testing criteria is changed at the drop of a hat.

We have high numbers as per January stop testing close contacts.

Numbers come down lets test close contacts. What do you expect to happen if you test more people?

We need to look at hospitation and ICU numbers, which at the moment are dropping.

As for imposing more restrictions as per scotty, that's just idiotic. Why not just lock us indoors and have the army deliver take aways for a month.

PCeeeee wrote: »

What Monster is suggesting is that compliance is diminishing (forgive me Monster if that is a misrepresentation).

This is as people start to rebel against what they see as unsustainable or disproportionate restrictions. This will not be fixed by increasing restrictions.

Lockdown is a tool. It is finite. Overuse will blunt it. The government and NPHET need to be cognisant of this.

They were aware of it last year but have overplayed their hand because NPHET have them by the short & curlies. Now when NPHET say lockdown MM and Leo go ok for how long.

Scotty # wrote: »

Yea, you might be right. I don't know.

I'm not calling for the gov to introduce more restrictions but apart from somehow getting people to adhere to the current ones what other option is there?? Crossing our fingers and hoping for the best won't work. We were on target to hit double figures for cased by early May, at 1% per week it will be some time in 2024!

First off I don't know. I think it's fair to say there are no easy answers.

But our leaders have gone all in on lockdowns as a means of disease control. Contact tracing is minimal. Hospital capacity is still poor. Vax is slow due to supply admittedly but still not an option.

The public are not stupid. They see that. They see that the cupboard is bare. The arbitrary nature of stone restrictions (5km esp) is grating. Public buy in for compliance is necessary. This is not China. And we are erroding that.