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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #6212
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    john4321 wrote: »
    I call them extreme views and don't agree with them just the same as I don't agree with conspiracy theorists like the author on that site.

    All I was trying to do was highlight where the other posters information came from and should be questioned.

    I hate lockdowns and can not wait till restrictions are lifted but being a realist also know this will take another few months.

    Thanks. One more question, how do you define a conspiracy theorist then? This term is used here a lot to discredit sources of information or information itself, especially when contrarian believes are concerned.

    I personally would not label anyone that because we simply don’t know what we don’t know. What’s conspiracy theory today might as well be a fact in not too distant future.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6213
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    walus wrote: »
    Thanks. One more question, how do you define a conspiracy theorist then? This term is used here a lot to discredit sources of information or information itself, especially when contrarian believes are concerned.

    I personally would not label anyone that because we simply don’t know what we don’t know. What’s conspiracy theory today might as well be a fact in not too distant future.


    Well a simple guage would be someone who can read this and believe it.

    https://freepress.ie/2020/10/the-mother-baby-home-political-coverup-two-reasons-why/


  • #6214
    hiptobesquare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭hiptobesquare


    Boggles wrote: »
    I did chuckle at that.

    :pac:

    For me, their response to McGurk at Gript - the 'sorry john' article, was actually a much more interesting read as they were put on the backfoot and had to explain things. Don't agree with all of it but their explanation for what is happening is quite creative, and id be lying if i said i disagree when they say all this stinks incredibly like the Swine flu hysteria and rushed vaccine mania of a decade ago.


  • #6215
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    hiptobesquare wrote: »
    The world health organisation have been very consistent saying asymptomatic spread is not a thing, so a really good way to get things going is say "hey, if you have symptoms of a cold, stay at home" just to be on the safe side.

    You know, what we should have done in March last year and not destroyed our economy and society, along with hundreds of thousands of working class jobs.

    Nope. Didn't mention 'asymptomatic spread' at all in any of that.

    But just for the heck of it - do you have a link with the WHO stating "asymptomatic spread is not a thing"

    Thanks.


  • #6216
    themacattack.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭themacattack.


    gozunda wrote: »
    No. Do try read what was written in context before jumping into the sea of assumptions. As explained in another comment - hairdressers were closed across Europe as a means of reducing the risk of p2p infection. They are currently closed in the UK for the same reason. Its not like we're completely out on a limb with that particular restriction.

    OK so you don't believe any of them should have been shut in the first place. Well that's simply your opinion and it doesn't stand up to the known risks from close contact personal care services.

    As for imagining and maybes- many many people have had their businesses and jobs seriously impacted since the start of pandemic but imagining some dickensian tale doesn't really help eitherway.

    As I said looks like Leo was laughing at himself not anyone else and that's ok by me.

    yes and as i said i dont believe they should have been closed in the first place so wheter hairdressers were closed for 3 weeks in switzerland and 4 months in italy doesnt mean either approach was right or really reduced transmission of the virus significantly and made much of an impact to justify keeping them closed as is the case with construction,click and collect retail ect ect....by the way the black market hairdressing,barber,nails and make up industry is booming and anyone who doesnt think that is a fool so why keep them closed anyway at this point...the whole thing is a farce...look out the window...the movement of people is huge and concentrated in smaller areas of supermarkets,chemists ect....i was in a dunnes yesterday and there was crowds of people going through clothes racks like u would normally see in tk max...wheres the logic? let all business open and control what happens inside their stores as they have demonstrated they can do already


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  • #6217
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    john4321 wrote: »
    Well a simple guage would be someone who can read this and believe it.

    https://freepress.ie/2020/10/the-mother-baby-home-political-coverup-two-reasons-why/

    A simple gauge... right... ok.

    So just to use your simple gauge. A story of how Lukaszenko faced a coup after he told IMF to take their $900 millions and fcuk off when they requested that he calls it a pandemic and locks down the country - that also would be a conspiracy theory, right?

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6218
    Storm 10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,060 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Just watching the golf on TV and there are huge crowds there, the US is one of the worst for Coronavirus are they just opening up and getting on with life.


  • #6219
    hiptobesquare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭hiptobesquare


    gozunda wrote: »
    Nope. Didn't mention 'asymptomatic spread' at all in any of that.

    But just for the heck of it - do you have a link with the WHO stating "asymptomatic spread is not a thing"

    Thanks.

    I was more just generally responding to your comment.

    here's a few links on asymptomatic spread. Basically masks and social distancing are pseudoscientific nonsense, hence all the conspiracy theories because right thinking people cant reconcile the lack of science with what they're mandating.

    bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4436/rr-10

    time.com/5850256/who-asymptomatic-spread/

    If you google van kerkhove, she quickly was made to backtrack on her remarks and the reasons for this as far as im concerned are very simple: So many high profile people's reputations were invested in this response by June 8th, if what she said was true the trillions spent globally and lost etc. were for nothing. Imagine the uproar if all we had to do at the start was keep people with the sniffles or a sore throat at home (which is what we ACTUALLY needed to do and what all the data showed we needed to do)? Bedlam.

    I believe this to be the case myself, we're too deep into it now for many leaders to turn back. Sad.


  • #6220
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    hiptobesquare wrote: »
    Gerry Killeen of ISAg, said he wanted to bash Ivor Killeen with a hurley. He also said on Matt cooper last summer that 30k plus would die soon. He's an absolute Loolaa and yet seems to get a pass . Gript did the Zeroleaks series and it hasnt been touched by the mainstream.

    gript.ie/frankly-id-prefer-to-sort-this-out-with-a-good-hurley-and-no-witnesses-zero-covid-group/




    The whole story is based on this post from what I can see.



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    Where was it originally posted? Is it suppose to be an email or a forum and why are spelling mistakes highlighted if its not taken by the author?


  • #6221
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,233 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    walus wrote: »
    A simple gauge... right... ok.

    So just to use your simple gauge. A story of how Lukaszenko faced a coup after he told IMF to take their $900 millions and fcuk off when they requested that he calls it a pandemic and locks down the country - that also would be a conspiracy theory, right?

    You think thats why he faces a coup? Not the decades of rigged elections and low popularity?


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  • #6222
    hiptobesquare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭hiptobesquare


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Just watching the golf on TV and there are huge crowds there, the US is one of the worst for Coronavirus are they just opening up and getting on with life.

    18 states now fully open, possibly 19. North dakota just passed a law outlawing the mandating of masks too. They've looked at the evidence and this is the correct response - far more die from other lockdown associated illnesses than covid. Poverty will bring far more too.


  • #6223
    hiptobesquare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭hiptobesquare


    walus wrote: »
    A simple gauge... right... ok.

    So just to use your simple gauge. A story of how Lukaszenko faced a coup after he told IMF to take their $900 millions and fcuk off when they requested that he calls it a pandemic and locks down the country - that also would be a conspiracy theory, right?

    Or joe Biden admitting on tape (video widely available) that if the prosecutor investigating his son at Burisma energy for corruption wasnt fired, he would withhold 1bn in aid for Ukraine! Thats all a conspiracy too! Including the fact the prosecutor WAS fired! That's also conspiracy!


  • #6224
    hiptobesquare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭hiptobesquare


    john4321 wrote: »
    Well a simple guage would be someone who can read this and believe it.

    That's actually quite good. I always wondered why they covered it up. If you can give me a better explanation for the coverup, im all ears.

    I never knew that the fact GSK/Wellcome experimented with cattle vaccines on Irish kids was on the official Irish government record and terms of reference!


  • #6225
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    hiptobesquare wrote: »
    That's actually quite good. I always wondered why they covered it up. If you can give me a better explanation for the coverup, im all ears.

    I never knew that the fact GSK/Wellcome experimented with cattle vaccines on Irish kids was on the official Irish government record and terms of reference!



    As you are new to this site just a heads up there is a dedicated forum to discuss these topics.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576


  • #6226
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,913 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    How is it the conspiraloons always seem to appear (or reappear) in the covid forum at the weekend? Is it because the modding is more light touch, or they think it will be?


  • #6227
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Just watching the golf on TV and there are huge crowds there, the US is one of the worst for Coronavirus are they just opening up and getting on with life.

    Yes but there health systems must be collapsing and trucks like we saw in Lombardy bringing there dead must be lining the streets. Isn't that we are locked up.


  • #6228
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    themacattack. wrote: »
    yes and as i said i dont believe they should have been closed in the first place so wheter hairdressers were closed for 3 weeks in switzerland and 4 months in italy doesnt mean either approach was right or really reduced transmission of the virus significantly and made much of an impact to justify keeping them closed as is the case with construction,click and collect retail ect ect....by the way the black market hairdressing,barber,nails and make up industry is booming and anyone who doesnt think that is a fool so why keep them closed anyway at this point...the whole thing is a farce...look out the window...the movement of people is huge and concentrated in smaller areas of supermarkets,chemists ect....i was in a dunnes yesterday and there was crowds of people going through clothes racks like u would normally see in tk max...wheres the logic? let all business open and control what happens inside their stores as they have demonstrated they can do already

    Ah I see you are an infectious disease specialist. I'm now seriously impressed....


  • #6229
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    walus wrote: »
    A simple gauge... right... ok.

    So just to use your simple gauge. A story of how Lukaszenko faced a coup after he told IMF to take their $900 millions and fcuk off when they requested that he calls it a pandemic and locks down the country - that also would be a conspiracy theory, right?


    I have not looked into anything about Belarus and don't see how its relevent here. The article I pointed out was trying to link Covid to GSK and the mother and baby homes that's in my opinion a conspiracy theory.

    These are easy to create especially during a pandemic. They just need a grain of truth or something people can relate to.

    For example I could say have you noticed how the skin on your hands feel drier since Covid beacuse the government have started putting magic liquid in the water to control us.

    People can relate to drier skin due to excessive hand washing and now the conspiracy has been created.


  • #6230
    johnboy1298
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ✭johnboy1298


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    Just watching the golf on TV and there are huge crowds there, the US is one of the worst for Coronavirus are they just opening up and getting on with life.

    Yes a number of American states are just ditching restrictions and calling on people to use personal responsibility.

    Biden has called it neanderthal thinking but I think a lot of states have cottoned on that Florida are doing fine without the restrictions.

    It also helps that they have given out 100m vaccine doses.


  • #6231
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    hiptobesquare wrote: »
    Gerry Killeen of ISAg, said he wanted to bash Ivor Killeen with a hurley. He also said on Matt cooper last summer that 30k plus would die soon. He's an absolute Loolaa and yet seems to get a pass . Gript did the Zeroleaks series and it hasnt been touched by the mainstream.

    gript.ie/frankly-id-prefer-to-sort-this-out-with-a-good-hurley-and-no-witnesses-zero-covid-group/

    It was ivor cummms.

    I'm not advocating violence, but ivor Cummins is a scumbag. He's been pumping out disinformation for profit during a pandemic.
    He has cost lives here and abroad.

    I think it's perfectly understandable that some people would like to beat the crap out of him with a hurley. It's definitely not news worthy.


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  • #6232
    themacattack.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭themacattack.


    gozunda wrote: »
    Ah I see you are an infectious disease specialist. I'm now seriously impressed....

    no more than you pal...my unqualified opinion is as good as your unqualified opinion...would you not agree with me friend?


  • #6233
    walus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,668 ✭✭✭walus


    pjohnson wrote: »
    You think thats why he faces a coup? Not the decades of rigged elections and low popularity?

    That is really impossible for me to tell. I would think however that at this stage he is well equipped and experienced to deal with domestic threats to his reign and is able nip them in a bud. Unless he got rusty for some reason last year.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • #6234
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 338 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hiptobesquare wrote: »
    That's actually quite good. I always wondered why they covered it up. If you can give me a better explanation for the coverup, im all ears.

    I never knew that the fact GSK/Wellcome experimented with cattle vaccines on Irish kids was on the official Irish government record and terms of reference!

    I remember that going back a bit now Kathleen Lynch was a minister or td at time and wanted an investigation into it but don’t think it happened.


  • #6235
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Aph2016


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It was ivor cummms.

    I'm not advocating violence, but ivor Cummins is a scumbag. He's been pumping out disinformation for profit during a pandemic.
    He has cost lives here and abroad.

    I think it's perfectly understandable that some people would like to beat the crap out of him with a hurley. It's definitely not news worthy.

    What disinformation are you referring to?


  • #6236
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    What disinformation are you referring to?

    All his videos (some deleted for disinformation by youtube) and all his public commentary on covid.

    Pretty much everything he emits is lies. If you're of a mind, go back and watch some of his earlier videos. They're almost funny they're so wrong. Almost.

    He's been doing very well out of the pandemic. Financially at least.
    Much of the planet thinks he's a grubby little prick though, and money isn't everything.


  • #6237
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It was ivor cummms.

    I'm not advocating violence, but ivor Cummins is a scumbag. He's been pumping out disinformation for profit during a pandemic.
    He has cost lives here and abroad.

    I think it's perfectly understandable that some people would like to beat the crap out of him with a hurley. It's definitely not news worthy.

    Accusing a Youtuber of manslaughter while giving out about disinformation

    Mighty stuff


  • #6238
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Accusing a Youtuber of manslaughter while giving out about disinformation

    Mighty stuff

    if someone here said they understood why someone would attack a member of government or nphet with a hurley thered be uproar and threadbans galore


  • #6239
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,392 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Accusing a Youtuber of manslaughter while giving out about disinformation

    Mighty stuff


    Do you agree with Ivor the grifter's views Fintan?


    546919.jpg


  • #6240
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Accusing a Youtuber of manslaughter while giving out about disinformation

    Mighty stuff

    Have I missed some of the thread. I don’t recall an accusation of manslaughter.

    Another attempt at setting up a straw man perhaps?


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  • #6241
    hiptobesquare
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30 ✭hiptobesquare


    john4321 wrote: »
    I have not looked into anything about Belarus and don't see how its relevent here. The article I pointed out was trying to link Covid to GSK and the mother and baby homes that's in my opinion a conspiracy theory.

    These are easy to create especially during a pandemic. They just need a grain of truth or something people can relate to.

    For example I could say have you noticed how the skin on your hands feel drier since Covid beacuse the government have started putting magic liquid in the water to control us.

    People can relate to drier skin due to excessive hand washing and now the conspiracy has been created.

    Once I see attempts to ridicule I know the target must be onto something. I'd imagine most people are the same these days


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