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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭alentejo


    titan18 wrote: »
    And we all suffer cos the government are too cowardly to enforce people not going back into the office. WFH should be mandatory if you can (and most can) and companies fined if they bring people in.

    Is not WFH causing the latest increases of incidents?

    Yes, I do notice an increase of people returning to offices. However, in most cases it to either an empty office or nearly empty one.
    The other issue is that a lot of work got put off in early January with the expectation that restrictions would be lifted in February or March. With the latest guidance that it could be May or June, companies can no longer put things on the long finger so more people have reason to return to the office (all be it on a part time basis)

    Really need to get to the bottom of the latest increases. The GP referral data and Ronan Glynn's comments about an increase in GP referrals don't match. SOmething is up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    True, but you can create laws, and all you have to do if you see companies bringing people in is see whether that person was working at home at other points as it's pretty clear if you were able to work at home over the last 2 months you still can now.

    It's a pretty sh1t scenario where companies can be flouting the rules and resulting in other companies not being able to reopen at all.
    You really couldn't get a workable law for any of that and nobody will try.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    fits wrote: »
    We actually haven’t really. The rate of decrease has slowed down but the trend was always downwards. It’s not in recent days.

    Just going by swabs, we've 4 days of pretty level swabs. Back on 23rd of Feb we had 4 days of increasing swabs followed by a rapid 4 day decline. That's what I'm hoping to happen again. Could be wishful thinking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You really couldn't get a workable law for any of that and nobody will try.

    Lovely for everyone out of work then. We can't enforce our existing restrictions so all of ye have to suffer when you're doing nothing wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,268 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Was my thought also... People could manage another "few weeks" but that week of leaks where the talk was another 2 months, was a step too far.

    Yeh the lost the people with that . Many People threw in the towel and said F that


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    alentejo wrote: »
    Is not WFH causing the latest increases of incidents?

    Yes, I do notice an increase of people returning to offices. However, in most cases it to either an empty office or nearly empty one.
    The other issue is that a lot of work got put off in early January with the expectation that restrictions would be lifted in February or March. With the latest guidance that it could be May or June, companies can no longer put things on the long finger so more people have reason to return to the office (all be it on a part time basis)

    Really need to get to the bottom of the latest increases. The GP referral data and Ronan Glynn's comments about an increase in GP referrals don't match. SOmething is up!

    Imo, there's no reason for anyone working in an office to be in an office. Factories etc ya you can't work from home, but computer based work has no reason for anyone to be in. I've been working at home for 12 months now and it sucks but you can still work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    Lovely for everyone out of work then. We can't enforce our existing restrictions so all of ye have to suffer when you're doing nothing wrong.
    Breaking restrictions needs to be proven and there is no actual legal way to do that. You'd be amazed how many IT people companies have! So, are these people going to be added to the blame list next week?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Breaking restrictions needs to be proven and there is no actual legal way to do that. You'd be amazed how many IT people companies have!

    Unless you're doing physical hardware maintenance, no reason for any person working in IT to be on-site tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    Unless you're doing physical hardware maintenance, no reason for any person working in IT to be on-site tbh.
    Not true at all, some work just cannot be done off-site and they are classified as essential workers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Not true at all, some work just cannot be done off-site and they are classified as essential workers.

    Examples then. I work in IT and the only people in the department who go in are if they need to do something to physical hardware so that's really only systems teams or help desk. No one in SD, testing, data roles, BAs, PMs should be in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    titan18 wrote: »
    Examples then. I work in IT and the only people in the department who go in are if they need to do something to physical hardware so that's really only systems teams or help desk. No one in SD, testing, data roles, BAs, PMs should be in.
    I know some who do in development. I don't ask them why, I accept that they need to go in. TBH this is really more about your need to blame people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,106 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Chickens coming home to roost now for our useless politicians .

    Construction won't even be able to open april 5th if they are going by cases numbers

    Serious consequences for everyone going forward .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    is_that_so wrote: »
    I know some who do in development. I don't ask them why, I accept that they need to go in. TBH this is really more about your need to blame people.

    Tbh, no one in software development is unable to work from home so they or their employer is just taking the piss. Restrictions are there so people should stick to them. People ignoring them (and Id love to myself) just result in others being unable to work and all of us suffering with things closed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    543 new cases, 16 further deaths


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yeh the lost the people with that . Many People threw in the towel and said F that

    Totally correct you have to give people some hope. Why they cant provide metrics like every other country is beyond me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    By next week their could be a big gap in the incidence rate in alot of counties. Incidence still dropping in many and escalating in others. Strange situation , I dont think theirs been such a large gap as this in previous wave's. The context of the cases would be a help. Telling people in Leitrim and Longford to live the same way seems to be a limited approach.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1370788026444619778


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    By next week their could be a big gap in the incidence rate in alot of counties. Incidence still dropping in many and escalating in others. Strange situation , I dont think theirs been such a large gap as this in previous wave's. The context of the cases would be a help. Telling people in Leitrim and Longford to live the same way seems to be a limited approach.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1370788026444619778

    Kildare and Meath featuring in the top counties for daily cases again.

    Questions need to be asked at the next press conference regarding outbreaks in these counties. Something is clearly happening


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    shamco wrote: »
    Totally correct you have to give people some hope. Why they cant provide metrics like every other country is beyond me.

    Incompetence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,059 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Chickens coming home to roost now for our useless politicians .

    Construction won't even be able to open april 5th if they are going by cases numbers

    Serious consequences for everyone going forward .


    Doubt it's the politicians that are spreading it.
    There is lockdown in name only. The roads are thick with cars and the supermarkets jammed.
    Serious amount of people on the move. Mothers day tomorrow will be another problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Kildare and Meath featuring in the top counties for daily cases again.

    Questions need to be asked at the next press conference regarding outbreaks in these counties. Something is clearly happening

    Yup, if everyone was progressing like Cork, Kerry etc wed be in a lot better place but some countries it just isn't going down in.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    wadacrack wrote: »
    By next week their could be a big gap in the incidence rate in alot of counties. Incidence still dropping in many and escalating in others. Strange situation , I dont think theirs been such a large gap as this in previous wave's. The context of the cases would be a help. Telling people in Leitrim and Longford to live the same way seems to be a limited approach.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1370788026444619778
    Was it Gavin Reilly who use to do color codes charts of counties cases over the last 14 days? We need to see that again.

    I hate to say it, but there's some counties that could really move to level 4 or better come April. Remove the 5km limit and keep travel to within counties. Let some have a way out and those still lockdown can then see a way out. Would be a good way to test the waters on when stuff reopens. Easier to lockdown said counties again if it goes tits up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭prunudo


    is_that_so wrote: »
    543 new cases, 16 further deaths

    Anyone have comparison with last Saturday as a matter of interest, see if there is anything to this supposed plateauing or worrying trend developing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 762 ✭✭✭aziz


    I think it’s time to look at regional lockdowns again, we could have county competitions to who has the lowest numbers ��


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Kildare and Meath featuring in the top counties for daily cases again.

    Questions need to be asked at the next press conference regarding outbreaks in these counties. Something is clearly happening

    Kildare had always been up around the top 5 counties, it is the proximity to Dublin and the number of people that are still commuting in and out... IMO


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    titan18 wrote: »
    Yup, if everyone was progressing like Cork, Kerry etc wed be in a lot better place but some countries it just isn't going down in.

    Didn't I read today that Cork and Kerry have 25% of all fines for breaching restrictions.

    I guess enforcement is helping.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    prunudo wrote: »
    Anyone have comparison with last Saturday as a matter of interest, see if there is anything to this supposed plateauing or worrying trend developing.

    Cases are up by 4 since last Saturday (539 cases then).

    We have cases rising over the same day last week 4 days in a row now. We have swabs rising over the same last week 6 days I a row I believe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Was it Gavin Reilly who use to do color codes charts of counties cases over the last 14 days? We need to see that again.

    I hate to say it, but there's some counties that could really move to level 4 or better come April. Remove the 5km limit and keep travel to within counties. Let some have a way out and those still lockdown can then see a way out. Would be a good way to test the waters on when stuff reopens. Easier to lockdown said counties again if it goes tits up.

    This one ?

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1370790376534118410?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Kildare had always been up around the top 5 counties, it is the proximity to Dublin and the number of people that are still commuting in and out... IMO

    As below, marked increase in Kildare last few days

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1370790376534118410?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭prunudo


    aziz wrote: »
    I think it’s time to look at regional lockdowns again, we could have county competitions to who has the lowest numbers ��

    The government seem to be reluctant to go down this route again but I wonder is this also causing a slipping in adherence to the rules. Why would you bother being a good citizen in your county of 0-5 daily cases when you're treated the same as someone in a county of 50-100 cases (obviously taking population differences into account).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Kildare had always been up around the top 5 counties, it is the proximity to Dublin and the number of people that are still commuting in and out... IMO

    You could make the same argument for Wicklow, yet they have for a long time
    one of the lowest case numbers in the country.


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