Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If we had the kind of clout the UK and US have I'd be in full agreement with you.

I think the word you're looking for is 'leadership'.

Here's how it went yesterday:

Micheal (wringing hands): Just wondering if there was anything we could do to speed up the delivery of the vaccines you promised.

Head of Astrazenaca: Not really. Thanks for the great corporation tax rate tho.

On 6.01 later:

Micheal: had a very constructive conversation with that lovely lad from Astrazenaca. Hold firm.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/immunity-from-covid-19-lasts-up-to-six-months-after-infection-hiqa-1.4504198%3fmode=amp

With news this week that one has up to six months immunity after contracting Covid, would it not make sense going forward to put all people who are now testing positive at the bottom of the list in their respective vaccination groups? Or in the case or non HCWs or non vulnerable people, out then in a different category altogether. That would give a wider spread of immunity in a shorter period of time. It might also make people think about about not being as lax with restrictions if they know they’ll have to wait longer to get the vaccine - i.e. students who are not that worried about contracting Covid as they wouldn’t really be at risk, but they wouldn’t want to wait any longer to get the vaccine cert in case it’s required for travel.

It’s not the most effective use of a valuable vaccine in vaccinating someone who is already immune for the next few months, when others have no immunity are left waiting.

jackboy wrote: »

The pharma industry view meetings with politicians as a nuisance necessary for PR reasons. The have no respect for such gombeens or their opinions. Of course dealing with leaders of the more powerful countries are taken more seriously as those countries could impact profits.

So could raising corporation rates, or preventing exports of products manufactured in Ireland.

Tazz T wrote: »

So could raising corporation rates, or preventing exports of products manufactured in Ireland.

Punishing AZ by raising the corporation tax for every multi national in the country is not a realistic option.

Preventing exports leaving the country would destroy our reputation and future investments.

So no, we can’t do those things to punish AZ and they well know it.

Tazz T wrote: »

I've worked for Astrazenaca indirectly for products made in Ireland. But the point I'm making is that it would be very easy to penalise their operations.

As for politicians with 'no clout'. These are the same politicians that have shut down entire industries for a year to stop a pandemic.

Yet they only have to threaten to restrict one company to get get what's required to stop the pandemic.

Pretty sure threatening to "restrict one company" is illegal and the taxpayer would end being on the hook for whatever settlement comes out of it.

Tazz T wrote: »

I've worked for Astrazenaca indirectly for products made in Ireland. But the point I'm making is that it would be very easy to penalise their operations.

As for politicians with 'no clout'. These are the same politicians that have shut down entire industries for a year to stop a pandemic.

Yet they only have to threaten to restrict one company to get get what's required to stop the pandemic.

This is fantasy. We don’t have the power to restrict one company in the way you suggest. Comparing the Irish industries that the government has shut down to potentially doing the same to multi nationals is a fallacy.

I'm sick to death of people coming out with "if you don't like RTE don't watch it", "criticising RTE won't help" etc.

We're paying for RTE, hence we're more than entitled to criticise when they cherry pick the worst news possible every ****ing day.

https://kevinmyers.ie/2021/03/12/and-no-one-of-importance-complained/

For the past year, the government has, effectively, being gift-wrapping the entire Irish retail sector and handing it over, lock, stock and barrel, to Jeff Bezos. Maybe some small specialist outlets – boutiques specialising in double-D cup bras for obese fourteen-year-old boys – might emerge amidst the post-nuclear rubble of our high streets and our shopping centres. But Ireland’s towns and cities probably have no commercial future. The original meaning of the word ‘shop’ – a place where things happen, as in workshop or bookshop – has been transliterated into its very opposite with that term ‘shopping-on-line’. A shop is not a location anymore but a meaningless meme circling like Pluto in the outer space of the Bezos mind.

How could so many bizarre and counter-logical rules have been accepted without challenge? How is suspending cancer-scans prolonging life? How is closing down childhood good for children? How is borrowing from tomorrow good for the day after tomorrow?

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Why doesn't the EU impose penalty clauses in their contract with AZ with respect to delivery thresholds?

I don't get why they don't launch injunctive proceedings looking for specific performance of the contract - unless Belgian law (think the contract has a Belgian choice of law clause) is very different to Irish law. The contract is poorly drafted but there is enough in it from whats been reported to at least seek a mandatory injunction. If there was an interlocutory Order against AZ it may force them to divert UK product etc (or at least would be the most likely route to lighting a fire under them). Downside is EU sue, they fail to get interlocutory relief, but the case is still live with the EU looking, presumably, for mega damages in lieu at the full trial- still a stick with which to beat AZ. The only other downside is the costs of losing but I think the EU can just about absorb a 7 figure sum in the circumstances.

Rosita wrote: »

We've long passed that point. I've read time and again of large numbers of people not showing up for appointed tests. And no doubt there are countless asymptomatic examples who were never tested.

If we see a rise in deaths and hospitalizations we will remain in lock down.

If people think not getting tested will end this faster, they are fools.

political analyst wrote: »

Why are people in this country not making noise with pots and pans (That's what led Pedro Sanchez to lift the outdoor-exercise ban in Spain!) or taking court cases to bring about the re-opening of businesses?

Covid is still less likely to kill or cause serious harm than polio or cholera ever did. So is it proportionate to use the Health Act of 1947 to restrict freedom of movement?

I think people are just going around breaking the restrictions behind closed doors.

Going by the packed trolleys in dunnes earlier (it was like the run up to Christmas), there's going to be a lot of family gatherings and meals cooked for mother's day tomorrow.

Just been to a shopping center in dublin. Absolutely packed. Mad queues for shops that are open.

Honestly think it would be safer if all shops were open people would have more choice to go and there would be less queues.

Just a hunch but I'd say you'd be more likely to catch the virus standing beside someone for 10 mins waiting in a queue than the second or 2 you pass by each other in the shop.

Lucas Hood wrote: »

Just been to a shopping center in dublin. Absolutely packed. Mad queues for shops that are open.

Honestly think it would be safer if all shops were open people would have more choice to go and there would be less queues.

Yeah never realised Mother’s Day was such a big thing. Supermarkets full of cheap Mother’s Day tat and people going nuts for it. Maybe it’s just more Covid mania.