Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say THIS week. I am talking about the last year, 12 full months of headline news in Ireland, 12 full months of Covid being the lead story on RTE News. NOT just headlines in Europe THIS week! It is everyday. It is constant.

I understand all countries are affected by Covid, all countries will focus on it especially when there is a spike. But we had NO spike last Summer, no high numbers, almost no deaths..........yet Covid was headlines every single day on media and RTE News! It has never changed. That is affecting people's psyche and their mental health!

And they have been similar every week. Look back at issues of other European newspapers.

is_that_so wrote: »

It's actually trends that matter and NPHET favour the 5 day total. We seem to be heading for a plateau(another one). Such a scenario has implications for April 5.

Saying we are heading for a plateau might be correct, but is still guesswork. Forget about April 5. I read an unnamed expert as saying that but for the B117 variant we'd now be at 20 cases a day. If that is fair and is informing policy then I'd say you could readjust your sights to July 5 maybe. If you are expecting anything other than PR-led cosmetic changes on 6 April you'll be disappointed.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

despite having most of the highly vulnerable population vaccinated.

[citation needed]
What % of over 70s are vaccinated?
What % of under 70s are?
What % of over 70s occupied hospital and ICU resources?
What % of under 70s occupied hospital and ICU resources?

Case numbers will remain a significant factor until the risk to hospital resources becomes very low.

PowerToWait wrote: »

Let’s be honest here, going by your posting history, the negative obsession with doom and gloom is fairly obvious. The same applies to most of the restrictions thread, unrelenting doom, gloom, unfounded fear and misinformation (restrictions will never end, NPHET want to destroy the economy etc) just hysterical and irrational.

Good heaven’s.

Hysterical fictitious nonsense claims in a post critiquing a poster for doing the exact same thing

At some point people are going to decide not to get tested. They will see it as the only way out of a the current level of restrictions.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

At some point we have to start accepting increasing cases as long as hospitalisations and deaths continue to decline.

This is one of those views that sounds good and reasonable on the surface but completely misses the point. If increasing cases did not impact on hospitalisations and deaths then it wouldn't matter so much. That's why we don't publicly announce figures relating to ingrowing toenails, ear infections etc.

But all evidence up to now suggests that increasing cases and declining hospitalisations are incompatible. Especially with the B117 variant now dominant.

The only interest I have in the case numbers is as a guide to the extent and longevity of restrictions. If hospitalisations and deaths cease to be a factor then case numbers will hold little relevance. Lots of people suffer migraines but it doesn't cause social restrictions. That's the reason people look at case numbers of Covid. It is self-evident that the day the link is broken between increasing cases and the fallout from that people will "start accepting" increasing cases.

But people who get excited at falling hospitalisations need to consider that it is simply a function of decreasing case numbers. If cases increase again the presumably so will hospitalisations.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Do you really have to go down the smart ass 'citation needed' road?

The median age of death is in the mid 80s. A large proportion of our deaths comes from nursing homes. A significant number of the over 85s are vaccinated. Same for nursing homes.

I acknowledged that hospital numbers would have to remain low as well. Edit: I actually acknowledged that in the very next line of my post. Maybe you missed it in your rush to give give a smart ass reply.

Maybe you could try answering the questions then you might realise deaths and hospitalisations are not the same thing. Numerous posters have explained this several times in the thread. Myself included. Others have done in much better than me. There's also the population problem you have less people over 90 than you do over 65. As you go down the age groups the risk of hospitalisations may decrease but the number of people in the population pools increase.

Indications are from Israel that we have to wait until cohort 7 is vaccinated before the risk to hospital resources is less significantly impacted.
It's still an evolving situation. It does seem unlikely at this point that cohort 4 and over 70s will enough. Which btw we have done almost none of the latter two so far. We are a long way from having the most vulnerable vaccinated and probably a longer way still from having the high risk.

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Apparently the CEO of AstraZeneca told Micheal Martin that if he ever heard MM sh1ttalking him again he’d put his head through the wall. It was as this point that MM peed himself.

A proud day for the country

Turtwig wrote: »

Maybe you could try answering the questions then you might realise deaths and hospitalisations are not the same thing. Numerous posters have explained this several times in the thread. Myself included. Others have done in much better than me. There's also the population problem you have less people over 90 than you do over 65. As you go down the age groups the risk of hospitalisations may decrease but the number of people in the population pools increase.

Indications are from Israel that we have to wait until cohort 7 is vaccinated before the risk to hospital resources is less significantly impacted.
It's still an evolving situation. It does seem unlikely at this point that cohort 4 and over 70s will enough. Which btw we have done almost none of the latter two so far. We are a long way from having the most vulnerable vaccinated and probably a longer way still from having the high risk.

I think you're right in terms of getting group 7 vaccinated and we will be on the home straight with very low numbers of hospitalisations and deaths. We are far away from this in terms of people still needed to be vaccinated but if our vaccine supply ramps up anywhere near its expected to this will come about very quickly. Groups 7 and up should receive at least a first does sometime in May. I can't see the justification on waiting until all these have a second dose as first dose offers such strong protection from serious illness.

dockysher wrote: »

In my home county mayo 13 people died of suicide and 8 of coronavirus in January. Yet we here coronavirus reported 24/7, nothing else seems to matter. And and endless lockdown.
Joke of a government

What is the source for the 13 suicides number? I would be surprised if this number was available yet for January.

How many people would have died from Covid had there been no restrictions?

How many suicides would there have been had there been no restrictions?

The media don't generally comment on individual suicides, but they do on suicide rates. Like in the article below:

"No increase in Mayo suicide rate during pandemic – Coroner"
https://www.mayonews.ie/news/36236-no-increase-in-mayo-suicide-rate-during-pandemic-coroner

Eod100 wrote: »

Not sure if this was posted already but interesting snippet in it: "There is an awareness in Government the next phase will be the last extension of the lockdown." https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/construction-among-reopenings-at-risk-if-covid-19-cases-keep-rising-1.4509098?mode=amp

Yeah spotted that a little earlier in the times. I think they know they won't get away with anymore. It's starting to show now really that people are at the limit

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah spotted that a little earlier in the times. I think they know they won't get away with anymore. It's starting to show now really that people are at the limit

I hope they treat people like adults and communicate that too. Would get more buy in if that's actually the case. Measures won't be sustainable if there is no end in sight.

TheDoctor wrote: »

A proud day for the country

I can actually visualise him talking the head of astrazenaca and wringing his hands like Mr Burns from the Simpsons. it's a pathetic vision.

I wonder does he even realise that there are Astrazenaca facilties in this country that can be penalised in response to their breaking contractual agreements.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I'm not sure that's a road we want to go down TBH. I know the vaccine delays are frustrating but penalising employers with the amount of people we have unemployed at the moment might not be a great idea.

Getting the vaccine quicker would mean they wouldn't be unemployed. How do you think the US and the UK have had their quotas filled without delay?

'Hey Mr Astrazenaca, this is the president of the united states of america, we need those vaccines, as agreed. That's a good business you got going there. I wouldn't like to see any new legislation affecting your ability to do business here. Would you?'

Eod100 wrote: »

Not sure if this was posted already but interesting snippet in it: "There is an awareness in Government the next phase will be the last extension of the lockdown." https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/construction-among-reopenings-at-risk-if-covid-19-cases-keep-rising-1.4509098?mode=amp

Sounds good but they're not really in a position to decide it'll be the last extension. That'll depend on the situation. Back in October everything doubled in just a week. If that happened again their "awareness" would change too.