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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5492
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that, a lot of sad suicides all over the country this year thus far and tbh is almost as big an issue as covid itself but the media won't mention it

    Reckon we will see a lot of people been prescribed anti depressants over the next few weeks/months if not already
    They don't mention it because it can encourage others. It's not unusual at all to find clusters around an initial suicide.


  • #5493
    JacksonHeightsOwn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭JacksonHeightsOwn


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They don't mention it because it can encourage others. It's not unusual at all to find clusters around an initial suicide.

    But you don't "catch" suicide.

    But I can't deny this whole pandemic is messing with people's head.

    Even the most positive people have bad days, I certainly wouldn't like to suffer from mental health, because I can see how they can be pushed over the edge at the moment.


  • #5494
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 773 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    But you don't "catch" suicide.

    Of course not but studies have shown time and again that if you report suicides, suicide rates start to increase.

    We're about to face probably the worst mental health crisis of our lifetime tbh.


  • #5495
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭prunudo


    is_that_so wrote: »
    They don't mention it because it can encourage others. It's not unusual at all to find clusters around an initial suicide.

    Might not mention it directly but definitely noticed an increase in reported person and the subsequent discovery of body and thanking public for their assistance type posts on social media since Christmas.


  • #5496
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Unfortunately Covid is an infectious disease and as such has to be notified to the HPSC.

    Most countries worldwide are providing daily numbers of cases and deaths to their citizens. It's a pandemic, it's only right for people to know the risk's they face of infection.



    If there's an infectious disease out there than can cause me harm, hospitalize me or a very very slim chance of killing me (of I could carry it unknown to more vulnerable people) I think I have a right of as a citizen to be told.



    The point the poster was trying to make is that there is no balance!
    Its Covid or nothing. Nothing else is as important as a Covid death.


    Covid is not making headlines every single day in European newspapers. It has been headlines here since Day 1 and also the lead story every single night on the RTE News. Covid is the only show in town in this country.


    Its an obsession and its breaking people.


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  • #5497
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The point the poster was trying to make is that there is no balance!
    Its Covid or nothing. Nothing else is as important as a Covid death.


    Covid is not making headlines every single day in European newspapers. It has been headlines here since Day 1 and also the lead story every single night on the RTE News. Covid is the only show in town in this country.


    Its an obsession and its breaking people.

    This old line again: that only we are reporting covid or are obsessed with it.

    How many European newspapers did you look at this week? Most are leading with Covid every morning.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/
    https://www.spiegel.de/
    https://www.repubblica.it/


  • #5498
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Why is the church facilitating that?

    The priest was probably afraid to do anything when he saw how many turned up. What is the priest supposed to do, say "excuse me while i ring the gardai". And would gardai even turn up?

    I was talking to a graveyard caretaker recently and i asked him how he controls how many go to funerals and he said he cant because they will just say they are visiting a grave.


  • #5499
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    This old line again: that only we are reporting covid or are obsessed with ti.

    How many European newspapers did you look at this week? Most are leading with Covid every morning.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/
    https://www.spiegel.de/
    https://www.repubblica.it/

    Have you actually looked at the links, compare them to rte, 5 of the top 6 stories on rte are covid related. The Italian link has 1 story on the main page. You not see the difference.


  • #5500
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Oh we had the doom merchants saying we've never had a vaccine for a coronavirus, then it would never be approved for years and years.... and now we have 4 in the EU approved within a year!

    I think people are worried (and rightly so) that the coming out of level 5 is going to be slower than when we had no vaccine available last year. That just doesn't make sense for the government to be so negative. They are making George Lee look cheerful ffs!

    We didn't have the UK variant here last year...

    Unfortunately it looks like we are really starting to struggle to get a handle on cases now even under lv 5 lockdown.
    I really cant see us being able to open up anything like we did last year if things dont improve much more than we have now.

    Sure vaccines are starting to help a bit and maybe might offset some of the negative impact of the new variant, but at the very delayed pace of the vaccine rollout progress is going to be very slow unfortunately.

    Really hope im wrong on this one as im sick to death of it all now.


  • #5501
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    This old line again: that only we are reporting covid or are obsessed with ti.

    How many European newspapers did you look at this week? Most are leading with Covid every morning.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/
    https://www.spiegel.de/
    https://www.repubblica.it/

    I think you've missed the point.

    Of course European countries are reporting on COVID, but Ireland's press / government have taken this to a whole new level; it is absolutely 100% obsessive, non-stop COVID-19 negativity and doom.


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  • #5502
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Have you actually looked at the links, compare them to rte, 5 of the top 6 stories on rte are covid related. The Italian link has 1 story on the main page. You not see the difference.


    These are some of the respective countries’ most widely read and well respected newspapers. The point is the entire world is talking about COVID, Germany is starting into its 3rd wave, Italy is locking down again, France had far stricter lockdown measures than we could ever even think about without wetting the bed and crying ‘tyranny / police state’. Spain has had similarly extreme restrictions and yet has lost 10s of thousands (not an indictment of the measures but more a measure of how dangerous the virus is).

    Very few countries are ignoring this pandemic and living normal pre-covid lives, like a lot of posters on here seem think.


  • #5503
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think you've missed the point.

    At least RTÉ deal in facts. I find it funny the obsession with that organisation.

    Of course European countries are reporting on COVID, but Ireland's press / government have taken this to a whole new level; it is absolutely 100% obsessive, non-stop COVID-19 negativity and doom.

    Let’s be honest here, going by your posting history, the negative obsession with doom and gloom is fairly obvious. The same applies to most of the restrictions thread, unrelenting doom, gloom, unfounded fear and misinformation (restrictions will never end, NPHET want to destroy the economy etc) just hysterical and irrational.


  • #5504
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    This old line again: that only we are reporting covid or are obsessed with ti.

    How many European newspapers did you look at this week? Most are leading with Covid every morning.

    https://www.lemonde.fr/
    https://www.spiegel.de/
    https://www.repubblica.it/

    I didn't say THIS week. I am talking about the last year, 12 full months of headline news in Ireland, 12 full months of Covid being the lead story on RTE News. NOT just headlines in Europe THIS week! It is everyday. It is constant.

    I understand all countries are affected by Covid, all countries will focus on it especially when there is a spike. But we had NO spike last Summer, no high numbers, almost no deaths..........yet Covid was headlines every single day on media and RTE News! It has never changed. That is affecting people's psyche and their mental health!


  • #5505
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    These are some of the respective countries’ most widely read and well respected newspapers. The point is the entire world is talking about COVID, Germany is starting into its 3rd wave, Italy is locking down again, France had far stricter lockdown measures than we could ever even think about without wetting the bed and crying ‘tyranny / police state’. Spain has had similarly extreme restrictions and yet has lost 10s of thousands (not an indictment of the measures but more a measure of how dangerous the virus is).

    Very few countries are ignoring this pandemic and living normal pre-covid lives, like a lot of posters on here seem think.

    Nobody is saying there are ignoring them but it's constant here, all them countries you mentioned, you are either saying they had worse restrictions than us or they are enforcing more restrictions. We are stuck in the highest possible lockdown with no end date in sight.


  • #5506
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    We didn't t have the UK variant here last year...

    Unfortunately it looks like we are really starting to struggle to get a handle on cases now even under lv 5 lockdown.
    I really cant see us being able to open up anything like we did last year if things dont improve much more than we have now.

    Sure vaccines are starting to help a bit and maybe might offset some of the negative impact of the new variant, but at the very delayed pace of the vaccine rollout progress is going to be very slow unfortunately.

    Really hope im wrong on this one as im sick to death of it all now.

    The cases, the cases, the cases...you know what matters more? The steady decline in hospital admissions and ICU numbers due primarily to the vaccination of most vulnerable. And they will keep falling as the vaccination programme (eventually) gathers pace. Of course more people are meeting outdoors on a fine spring day, let's not delude ourselves. Others are skipping past the invisible 5k limit for a walk on the beach, in a woodland park etc. In the middle of all that, the B117 variant which is several times more contagious than ones we had last year.

    Put two and two together, Covid fatigue has set in for the general public and mixed messaging from the government encouraging open disregard for arbitrary boundaries. Which means cases will remain in the hundreds for next few months until large percentage of population are vaccinated. 500/600 cases daily doesn't hold any significance if virtually none require hospitalisation, about time to whittle down the announcements and briefings from NPHET to a weekly basis. Negativity overload from the government and their advocates in the media will serve to drive widespread abandonment of guidelines, why not attempt to keep the public on side instead of patronising them with doom-laden speak à la "if you don't do this/that in the next ten weeks."


  • #5507
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    This is an extremely positive uplifting story. It's the main story and if it doesn't make you feel happy then I don't think anything will. You are probably having a bad day and although blaming RTE or the government is your constitutional right, it won't help.

    It's amazing how many people moan about the news being negative. The best thing you can do is ignore it. I've no idea what you get out of coming on a messaging board to moan about how moany the news is. A lot of Meta moaners.

    546854.png

    https://www.rte.ie/news/


  • #5508
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    Let’s be honest here, going by your posting history, the negative obsession with doom and gloom is fairly obvious. The same applies to most of the restrictions thread, unrelenting doom, gloom, unfounded fear and misinformation (restrictions will never end, NPHET want to destroy the economy etc) just hysterical and irrational.

    Nobody says they want to destroy the economy, they just don't give a **** about it and its not the remit so that's fair enough. The problem is nphet are running the country right now because we have weak politicians.


  • #5509
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    This is an extremely positive uplifting story. It's the main story and if it doesn't make you feel happy then I don't think anything will. You are probably having a bad day and although blaming RTE or the government is your constitutional right, it won't help.

    It's amazing how many people moan about the news being negative. The best thing you can do is ignore it. I've no idea what you get out of coming on a messaging board to moan about how moany the news is. A lot of Meta moaners.

    546854.png

    https://www.rte.ie/news/

    If Tony Houlihan drove a bus full of special needs kids over a cliff you would probably try defend him.


  • #5510
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,435 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If Tony Houlihan drove a bus full of special needs kids over a cliff you would probably try defend him.

    Thats a totally normal response to the post you quoted.

    Just create negativity when there is none.


  • #5511
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    chrisbonnie wrote: »
    But you don't "catch" suicide.

    Technically yes, but suicidal tendencies are born from hopelessness and despondency which can indeed be physiologically infectious in young people in particular.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



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  • #5512
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    This is an extremely positive uplifting story. It's the main story and if it doesn't make you feel happy then I don't think anything will. You are probably having a bad day and although blaming RTE or the government is your constitutional right, it won't help.

    It's amazing how many people moan about the news being negative. The best thing you can do is ignore it. I've no idea what you get out of coming on a messaging board to moan about how moany the news is. A lot of Meta moaners.

    546854.png

    https://www.rte.ie/news/

    Me looking at the site today :D

    "Every article is about covid rte come on!"

    "OK how about a piece on Bertie Ahern's opinions"

    "Covids fine."


  • #5513
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The cases, the cases, the cases...you know what matters more? The steady decline in hospital admissions and ICU numbers due primarily to the vaccination of most vulnerable. And they will keep falling as the vaccination programme (eventually) gathers pace. Of course more people are meeting outdoors on a fine spring day, let's not delude ourselves. Others are skipping past the invisible 5k limit for a walk on the beach, in a woodland park etc. In the middle of all that, the B117 variant which is several times more contagious than ones we had last year.

    Put two and two together, Covid fatigue has set in for the general public and mixed messaging from the government encouraging open disregard for arbitrary boundaries. Which means cases will remain in the hundreds for next few months until large percentage of population are vaccinated. 500/600 cases daily doesn't hold any significance if virtually none require hospitalisation, about time to whittle down the announcements and briefings from NPHET to a weekly basis. Negativity overload from the government and their advocates in the media will serve to drive widespread abandonment of guidelines, why not attempt to keep the public on side instead of patronising them with doom-laden speak à la "if you don't do this/that in the next ten weeks."

    The decline in fatalities is following on from the decline in cases with a delay, due to the level 5 lockdown measures.
    The vaccines are helping a small bit too, but the rollout pace is way too slow to have any substantial impact yet.

    I think now that cases have plateaued, we will still have a certain amount of fatalities unfortunately.
    If we open up again then cases will skyrocket again, and after a 2 week delay or so we will then see much higher fatalities once again like we did in January.

    Its a real sh**t situation, but we are no where near ready to start opening up society yet.


  • #5514
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    niallo27 wrote: »
    If Tony Houlihan drove a bus full of special needs kids over a cliff you would probably try defend him.

    What are you on about? Like seriously. Bringing special needs kids into it.

    I'd be angry at an advisory board if the government didn't do what I want too.

    I don't think I kid myself into demonising a doctor though. That's next level tin foil hat stuff.


  • #5515
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    The decline in fatalities is following on from the decline in cases with a delay.
    The vaccines are helping a small bit too, but the rollout pace is way too slow to have any substantial impact yet.

    I think now that cases have plateaued, we will still have a certain amount of fatalities unfortunately.
    If we open up again then cases will skyrocket again, and after a 2 week delay or so we will then see much higher fatalities once again like we did in January.

    Its a real sh**t situation, but we are no where near ready to start opening up society yet.
    That has to offset against the level of compliance they can expect from continued restrictions. If people ignore them they are of no use in managing the disease. There have now been over 10,000 fines issued and we will see that rise, probably sharply.


  • #5516
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Isn't it now true to say we've been "through the worst" of this pandemic?

    Approaching 600,000 vaccinations, no additional wave of mortality - certainly not going into summer - and likely a booster jab in Autumn will be prepared.

    It's just a shame that NPHET and the government are so committed to the severest form of lockdown possible, given the circumstances.

    Surely, an Lv. 3 opening on April 5 would suffice?

    At least EXPERIMENT to see if it works! And not to reduce cases either, but accept cases are inevitable - and will rise; but with the most vulnerable vaccinated, it doesn't matter so much if cases rise to 2k a day and there happens to be very few hospitalizations from younger people.

    Whatever happened to flattening the curve and protecting the health service? We've achieved it. Now open up on April 5, thank you.


  • #5517
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Isn't it now true to say we've been "through the worst" of this pandemic?

    Approaching 600,000 vaccinations, no additional wave of mortality - certainly not going into summer - and likely a booster jab in Autumn will be prepared.

    It's just a shame that NPHET and the government are so committed to the severest form of lockdown possible, given the circumstances.

    Surely, an Lv. 3 opening on April 5 would suffice?

    At least EXPERIMENT to see if it works! And not to reduce cases either, but accept cases are inevitable - and will rise; but with the most vulnerable vaccinated, it doesn't matter so much if cases rise to 2k a day and there happens to be very few hospitalizations from younger people.
    Construction, schools, some outdoor activities and the elimination of 5km is probably as good as it will get in early April.


  • #5518
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Construction, schools, some outdoor activities and the elimination of 5km is probably as good as it will get in early April.

    ............yeah........to 10km.......... !! ;)


  • #5519
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,138 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    What are you on about? Like seriously. Bringing special needs kids into it.

    I'd be angry at an advisory board if the government didn't do what I want too.

    I don't think I kid myself into demonising a doctor though. That's next level tin foil hat stuff.

    My point is you will defend nphet no matter what they do, no matter what restrictions they want.


  • #5520
    Elessar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Construction, schools, some outdoor activities and the elimination of 5km is probably as good as it will get in early April.

    If cases keep increasing (and they probably will, as schools return) those will be off the table until May at the earliest.


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  • #5521
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Mod: niallo27 - don't post in the thread again.


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