Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Would you say that if it were your mother, father , brother, sister etc. A death is a death, have a bit of cop on and don't be thinking of just yourself

Yes, I would. The death rate is very low regardless of who gets it and unfortunately dies from it. I'm not going to dress that up in a red dress just so it doesn't offend people. It's a fact, accept it and move on.

If all my grandparents died from it, it's obviously tragic but does it change the facts? No.

Beasty wrote: »

I don't see it that way. The most vulnerable are mostly vaccinated now, and that should help keep a lid on hospital numbers and deaths

We may be moving towards a phase of "living with" Covid 19 until the major part of the population is vaccinated

Need to get the Icu numbers down a decent amount before this. They have started to fall at a decent rate in the last few weeks.

I do feel that around the time we get Icu numbers down to 50 and a few hundred thousand more jabs in arms I would feel that we could move on to living with covid.

Deleted User wrote: »

Regrettably, I disagree with you.

Though we agree on many things, your focus here is wrong.

The death rate isn't what's important. The hospitalization and rate of infection are. You can have a very low death rate ordinarily, but still have a hospitalization rate that is far too high for an infectious ailment.

And it's the hospitalization rate that clogs healthcare systems, not death rates.

I agree with you there, my response was just addressing the posters claims that seemed to indicate the death rate was high.

I know that left unchecked, the ICU would become overrun & that would lead to a significant increase in the death rate.

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Would you say that if it were your mother, father , brother, sister etc. A death is a death, have a bit of cop on and don't be thinking of just yourself

There isn’t a single person who hasn’t lost a loved one or experienced grief before.

There is more ways to die other than Covid

We need to have an adult conversation here, we are the best part of a year living a real life W.H Auden poem

In terms of living with Covid we need to come to a point where it is no longer acceptable to shut down society to save every life and accept that regrettably a small number are going to die despite the vulnerable being vaccinated

Beasty wrote: »

It appears to me though that the current hospitalisation rate is manageable. The whole focus a year ago was "flattening the curve" to avoid the hospitals being overrun. We didn't have anywhere approaching adequate supplies of PPE and we knew very little about this virus

The whole world is a very different place now, but we are keeping on top of this virus in a way we could arguably only have dreamt of 9 months ago. Yes there remain many inconveniences and a level 5 lockdown makes things difficult for everyone

I actually think we are now in a position, with vaccinations ramping up, that we should be relaxing things very gradually. I guess that started at the beginning of the month with schools starting to re-open. We won't see what impact that has probably for another week or so but I really do think we should be looking to plan our way out of this over the next couple of months rather than stating little is likely to change over that period

7 day average of hospital admissions is 22, that's totally manageable, especially with HCW's vaccinated, the bonus being vaccination helps drastically reduce spread.

Every single day 10's of thousands of the most at risk are being vaccinated.
We've seen before last Autumn (I think it was) that level 3 was keeping the cases about level, no rapid rise etc.... I know the Kent variant will change that, how much, we don't know. We could certainly see if it will impact it with schools coming back.

There's no reason for all the doom and gloom coming from the Government.
The same position (cases/hospitals etc...) last year and there was a **** load more optimism. I don't get their pessimism lately (especially with 4 vaccines approved)

For the good of people's well being, they need to strike a more positive tone ffs.

Endless talk about extending restrictions and having to light at the end of the tunnel is not healthy for the public. (the light at the end of the tunnel was suppose to be vaccines, guess this tunnel we're in has a few ****ing turns before the end)

Will be interesting to see how we all look at Europe after this.

The needless red tape. The knee jerk reaction to article 15. The slow purchase and distribution of vaccinations.

Vicxas wrote: »

Will be interesting to see how we all look at Europe after this.

The needless red tape. The knee jerk reaction to article 15. The slow purchase and distribution of vaccinations.

The article 16 issue was certainly the wrong move.
The EU don't distribute vaccines. The biggest issue is AZ, maybe they should have ordered ~3bil doses, that way they would have received what was expected for Q1.
Health doesn't really come under the remit of the EU, that would have to change if you wanted a more unified EU approach in future.

But I would expect a lot of things to change in the EU going forward, all for the better of it's citizens. A pandemic shown cracks and issues with how the block works/responds.

Downlinz wrote: »

Long term I think people will be startled at how slow the vast majority of the world are rolling out vaccines, and how many vulnerable will still be waiting for their jab in 2022.
In that context I'm not so sure the current concern over whether we were 1st or 18th in the world to complete vaccinations is going to age very well.

You will always have some saying no matter how many doses are jabbed, it's still too slow. It's been flagged months ago that starting Q2 is when vaccination takes off. I think it's just depressing hearing about missed delivery targets by AZ week after week.

runawaybishop wrote: »

It is, very depressing if you look at it that way. We were promised a hell of a lot and some, AZ in particular, have fallen short.

But look at it from a different angle - only a year after most people had to WFH (and maybe thought that was an overreaction- it wasnt until 2/3 weeks later they realised this was serious sh1t indeed) we have 4 vaccines ready to go and have vaccinated over 550k people, that is absolutely phenomenally fast progress.

Its easy to get into a pit of negativity but objectively this vaccine rollout has been ridiculously fast. No one is enjoying this level 5 crap but over the totality of the pandemic we are moving at a hell of a pace.

Oh we had the doom merchants saying we've never had a vaccine for a coronavirus, then it would never be approved for years and years.... and now we have 4 in the EU approved within a year!

I think people are worried (and rightly so) that the coming out of level 5 is going to be slower than when we had no vaccine available last year. That just doesn't make sense for the government to be so negative. They are making George Lee look cheerful ffs!

runawaybishop wrote: »

I don't disagree, I think they were stung by the xmas cases and are sh1tting themselves that it could happen again. Along with that they are extremely hesitant to commit to dates due to the volatility of the AZ in particular. IMO they should just come out and say that.

Communication....Communication....Communication.... that's what we need.
They don't seem to have the balls to stand up and say they are worried about Xmas repeating it's self. Worried about people going mad once restrictions are lifted (the longer we're under restrictions the more likely that will happen).

There's been no clear path, no clear message coming for Government. When I say Government, they (ministers) all need to be saying the same thing. They can't even get that right. Seem's we're just getting beaten with the stick lately and no carrot being dangled at all.

If someone gets the 2 doses of the vaccine (or single J&J) can they be reported as a cause of death as Covid if they catch it or is a different smoked mirror used for those deaths?

dockysher wrote: »

In my home county mayo 13 people died of suicide and 8 of coronavirus in January. Yet we here coronavirus reported 24/7, nothing else seems to matter. And and endless lockdown.
Joke of a government

Unfortunately Covid is an infectious disease and as such has to be notified to the HPSC. There are a few countries who don't bother what those details, North Korea and Turkmenistan etc.. I'm sure there's other countries fudging numbers. Shall we be like them?

Most countries worldwide are providing daily numbers of cases and deaths to their citizens. It's a pandemic, it's only right for people to know the risk's they face of infection.

The reported 24/7, well blame the news and media for that, that's not the governments problem, unless you feel the government should control the media? North Korea is ticking 2 of your boxes now!

If there's an infectious disease out there than can cause me harm, hospitalize me or a very very slim chance of killing me (of I could carry it unknown to more vulnerable people) I think I have a right of as a citizen to be told.

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