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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5222
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There are 180 tennis clubs apparently. Golf is also up for consideration and that'll draw the crowds.

    Game of tennis in the p1ssing rain anyone


  • #5223
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Handling the same balls can't be good!!

    So many comments came flooding into my head in response to this, thanks for the laugh.


  • #5224
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    It was said in jest . I have no issue with Tennis or any sort of restriction being lifted . Its just that it doesnt mean anything for most of the population

    Yeah I agree with you on that. Hopefully everyone will get thrown a small bone.


  • #5225
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,948 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    thelad95 wrote: »

    I was in university with a settled traveller who genuinely was integrating themselves into society and I don't recall them ever needing to cry discrimination.

    After all this, I think there will be growing calls for assimilation of travellers into wider society and for the state to stop encouraging and facilitating a separate traveller 'lifestyle'.


  • #5226
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    After all this, I think there will be growing calls for assimilation of travellers into wider society and for the state to stop encouraging and facilitating a separate traveller 'lifestyle'.

    I wonder can anyone define what a 'traveller lifestyle' is , other than the zero consequences for law breaking?


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  • #5227
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I wonder can anyone define what a 'traveller lifestyle' is , other than the zero consequences for law breaking?

    Yeah . And how do you decide who is a traveller and who isn't. Can i wake up tomorrow and declare myself a traveller ?


  • #5228
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Yeah . And how do you decide who is a traveller and who isn't. Can i wake up tomorrow and declare myself a traveller ?

    Check the Pontins list, see if your Surname is on it and if so you're good to go. No restrictions or fines for you.
    Edit
    Even our politicians will turn a blind eye to your behaviour.


  • #5229
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Like I said before, the numbers are on a trajectory at the moment that they will have real trouble not going to level 4 on 5th April. The *might* get away with not allowing outdoor dining for pubs and restaurants... might. But if we're looking at ~200 in hospital, ~50 in ICU and daily cases @ 300 on 5th April, then no amount of woo over variants is going to satisfy keeping things tightened down.

    As the man above says, they'll likely phase some things in during April, but that will be the outdoor dining and perhaps some personal services. On day one the 5km limit will be gone, construction, click & collect will return, and outdoor sports will get the green light.


  • #5230
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    seamus wrote: »
    Like I said before, the numbers are on a trajectory at the moment that they will have real trouble not going to level 4 on 5th April. The *might* get away with not allowing outdoor dining for pubs and restaurants... might. But if we're looking at ~200 in hospital, ~50 in ICU and daily cases @ 300 on 5th April, then no amount of woo over variants is going to satisfy keeping things tightened down.

    As the man above says, they'll likely phase some things in during April, but that will be the outdoor dining and perhaps some personal services. On day one the 5km limit will be gone, construction, click & collect will return, and outdoor sports will get the green light.

    I hope you're right . I don't have your confidence in it though .


  • #5231
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    Like I said before, the numbers are on a trajectory at the moment that they will have real trouble not going to level 4 on 5th April. The *might* get away with not allowing outdoor dining for pubs and restaurants... might. But if we're looking at ~200 in hospital, ~50 in ICU and daily cases @ 300 on 5th April, then no amount of woo over variants is going to satisfy keeping things tightened down.

    As the man above says, they'll likely phase some things in during April, but that will be the outdoor dining and perhaps some personal services. On day one the 5km limit will be gone, construction, click & collect will return, and outdoor sports will get the green light.

    Perhaps they should move to a more regional/local approach, then.

    If they're going to lift restrictions, and there's almost no cases in Kerry versus many in Dublin, it makes no sense to have blanket restrictions across the entire country. Let everyone else enjoy outdoor dining, and things can stay restricted in Dublin for a period longer (or wherever else has comparatively higher cases)

    It's not a path I prefer, but when it comes to NPHET, it's almost like they need to be persuaded and negotiated with to come to ease restrictions.


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  • #5232
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    seamus wrote: »
    Like I said before, the numbers are on a trajectory at the moment that they will have real trouble not going to level 4 on 5th April. The *might* get away with not allowing outdoor dining for pubs and restaurants... might. But if we're looking at ~200 in hospital, ~50 in ICU and daily cases @ 300 on 5th April, then no amount of woo over variants is going to satisfy keeping things tightened down.

    As the man above says, they'll likely phase some things in during April, but that will be the outdoor dining and perhaps some personal services. On day one the 5km limit will be gone, construction, click & collect will return, and outdoor sports will get the green light.

    Which outdoor sports? Tennis and golf maybe. Other than limited outdoor training groups I can`t see any contact sports being allowed to start up again as early as 5th April.


  • #5233
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Which outdoor sports? Tennis and golf maybe. Other than limited outdoor training groups I can`t see any contact sports being allowed to start up again as early as 5th April.

    Amateur matches without spectators seems like a good bet.


  • #5234
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »

    It's not a path I prefer, but when it comes to NPHET, it's almost like they need to be persuaded and negotiated with to come to ease restrictions.

    Isn't it bizarre that a group that serves at the discretion of the MOH enjoys such power that people believe they run the country not the elected parliament. Although such a situation serves as a great mudguard to incompetent politicians.


  • #5235
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ek motor wrote: »
    As the days get longer and weather gets sunnier people will be meeting up and travelling around no matter what.

    they already are;)


  • #5236
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,054 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    seamus wrote: »
    Like I said before, the numbers are on a trajectory at the moment that they will have real trouble not going to level 4 on 5th April. The *might* get away with not allowing outdoor dining for pubs and restaurants... might. But if we're looking at ~200 in hospital, ~50 in ICU and daily cases @ 300 on 5th April, then no amount of woo over variants is going to satisfy keeping things tightened down.

    As the man above says, they'll likely phase some things in during April, but that will be the outdoor dining and perhaps some personal services. On day one the 5km limit will be gone, construction, click & collect will return, and outdoor sports will get the green light.

    You're far more optimistic than I am on how soon they'll ease stuff. I can't see click and collect returning at all on the 5th in particular.


  • #5237
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,080 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    seamus wrote: »
    Amateur matches without spectators seems like a good bet.



    Jeez I'd love that


    The Indo this morning just on about kids training non contact being back


    I really couldn't see NPHET allowing adult training back not to mind matches


  • #5238
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    Which outdoor sports? Tennis and golf maybe. Other than limited outdoor training groups I can`t see any contact sports being allowed to start up again as early as 5th April.

    This is what frustrates me most about our current restrictions and lockdown position. Tennis and Golf should certainly come back on April 5th but should we really be heralding this? We’ve had the most severe lockdown in terms of time when it comes to golf of any country in the entire world! Yet our parks are full every single weekend!!

    Golf and Tennis should never have been closed in the first place. Click and Collect is another no brainer for April 5th to help restart the economy.

    We have 98% of the Over 85’s vaccinated and are working through the next cohort of vulnerability. We will have to accept increasing cases and higher case numbers without knee jerking as previously given the added protection of vaccinations against hospitalisation and severe disease which is near 100% for ALL variants. I understand that hospital numbers lag cases but given the vaccine is now being rolled out we simply cannot use case numbers as our go to metric and will have to start applying some nuance and incorporate some elements of risk into our reopening.

    For reference - there have already been 10 clusters linked to schools since they have reopened and not a word against them. How do you think the media and NPHET would be acting if these were golf clubs, gyms, travel, restaurants etc that generated that number of clusters in a week? And of course I understand and agree that schools are important but so are all of the other activities and their associated health and financial benefits.


  • #5239
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    they already are;)

    They sure are and even more so in the coming months. Patience has worn thin.


  • #5240
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,271 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    seamus wrote: »
    Like I said before, the numbers are on a trajectory at the moment that they will have real trouble not going to level 4 on 5th April. The *might* get away with not allowing outdoor dining for pubs and restaurants... might. But if we're looking at ~200 in hospital, ~50 in ICU and daily cases @ 300 on 5th April, then no amount of woo over variants is going to satisfy keeping things tightened down.
    .

    I dont think theres been any speculation that outdoor dining would be allowed from the 5th is there?


  • #5241
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I dont think theres been any speculation that outdoor dining would be allowed from the 5th is there?
    Outdoor for pubs & restaurants is in the level 4 plan, but we've never really done level 4, so whether it'll be allowed is up in the air.

    Nevertheless I do think psychologically they will want to be able to say that we're out of level 5 and moved to level 4. And that will require making some statement on outdoor dining.


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  • #5242
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,080 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Of course that becomes level 4+ then and their 'plan' is torn up on the first occasion just like the last one


  • #5243
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,271 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    seamus wrote: »
    Outdoor for pubs & restaurants is in the level 4 plan, but we've never really done level 4, so whether it'll be allowed is up in the air.

    Nevertheless I do think psychologically they will want to be able to say that we're out of level 5 and moved to level 4. And that will require making some statement on outdoor dining.

    I think they will do the usual level 5 minus or 4 plus plus or something. From their briefings to media and from expectations of businesses I dont think outdoor dining seems to be on the cards.


  • #5244
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I haven't been following it but can I ask whether the mandatory hotel quarantine 'system' is in operation yet?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #5245
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,912 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I was looking this up last night, there is only one traveller who serves as a full time Garda, this is from a newspaper article in the Independent from 2005, maybe if the Gardai employed more travellers, then maybe the Gardai would be able to do something about these overcrowded funerals and then you wouldn't get shouts of discrimination because the travellers would be policed by their own kind. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/may-you-be-with-the-force-gardai-tell-travellers-25953629.html#:~:text=Michael%20Brennan%20THERE%20is%20currently,in%20the%20entire%20Garda%20force.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #5246
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,271 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I haven't been following it but can I ask whether the mandatory quarantine 'system' is in operation yet?

    At home, it already is. The mandatory hotel quarantine hasn't been finalised yet but supposedly is coming in a few weeks but thats been said for a while now. Waiting to sign contract with hotel group is the latest afaik.


  • #5247
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I was looking this up last night, there is only one traveller who serves as a full time Garda, this is from a newspaper article in the Independent from 2005, maybe if the Gardai employed more travellers, then maybe the Gardai would be able to do something about these overcrowded funerals and then you wouldn't get shouts of discrimination because the travellers would be policed by their own kind. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/may-you-be-with-the-force-gardai-tell-travellers-25953629.html#:~:text=Michael%20Brennan%20THERE%20is%20currently,in%20the%20entire%20Garda%20force.
    The LC is the minimum educational requirement for AGS, how many travellers do you think finish Second level?


  • #5248
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,271 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Not sure is this already factored in to distribution from EU and our targets already. Hard to know with all the changes.

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1370325365546176512


  • #5249
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,948 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I was looking this up last night, there is only one traveller who serves as a full time Garda, this is from a newspaper article in the Independent from 2005, maybe if the Gardai employed more travellers, then maybe the Gardai would be able to do something about these overcrowded funerals and then you wouldn't get shouts of discrimination because the travellers would be policed by their own kind. https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/may-you-be-with-the-force-gardai-tell-travellers-25953629.html#:~:text=Michael%20Brennan%20THERE%20is%20currently,in%20the%20entire%20Garda%20force.

    I haven't actually heard any claims from traveller 'community leaders' that they are being discriminated against around the policing of funerals or that they should be entitled to special treatment.

    The attitude of those actually attending thse gatherings seems to be more along the lines of "Screw your restrictions; nobody likes us we don't care"


  • #5250
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere in these threads, but I don't recall seeing it - why aren't more companies/factories being allowed/instructed to manufacture the existing vaccines?


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  • #5251
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Ficheall wrote: »
    I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere in these threads, but I don't recall seeing it - why aren't more companies/factories being allowed/instructed to manufacture the existing vaccines?

    its not a capacity issue that is the problem - its generally a component issue.. see below

    Serum Institute of India Pvt. Ltd., which has tied up with AstraZeneca PLC/University of Oxford, Novavax, Inc. and Codagenix Inc. for their COVID-19 vaccines, has highlighted US supply constraints for products essential to manufacture coronavirus vaccines.
    The company recently shipped the first COVAX-sponsored supplies to Ghana and is set to be a major supplier to the facility for distribution of coronavirus vaccines to several low and middle- income countries, including those in Africa. In addition, it has supplied its AZ-partnered vaccine, Covishield, to various neighboring countries like Bangladesh, Nepal and Sri Lanka as part of the Indian government's vaccine diplomacy efforts.
    Seeking help from the government to resolve supply constraints arising from US's invoking of the Defense Production Act with regard to COVID-19 vaccines, the company has written to commerce secretary Anup Wadhawan and foreign secretary Harsh Vardhan Shringla.
    Serum Institute said it is facing difficulties in importing products like cell culture media, raw material, single-use tubing assemblies and some specialty chemicals from the US and that imports from foreign manufacturers, specially from the US, are critical to its ability to make the partnered vaccines.
    "Through the Defence Production Act, the US government has established two prioritizing systems, Defense Priorities and Allocations System Program (DPAS) and Health Resources Priority and Allocations System (HRPAS). The HRPAS has two principal components i.e. priorities and allocations. Under the priority component, certain contracts between the government and private parties or between private parties for the production or delivery of industrial resources required to produce Covid-19 vaccine will be given priority over other contracts to facilitate expedited delivery in promotion of the US, national defence," Serum Institute's director, government and regulatory affairs, Prakash Kumar Singh has said in the letter.
    The arrangement results in orders from US manufacturers being given higher priority over orders of manufacturers from other countries, he added. The company was recently subjected to a cyberattack by state-backed hackers from China with an aim to exfiltrate intellectual property and gain a competitive advantage.


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