Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Should Irish residents have been locked out of the country?

:rolleyes:

I've already said previously they should have been quarantined especially considering the uk variant was already a known factor do try to keep up graham i don't want to have to repeat myself for you

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You have it in your head that we locked down in October to save Christmas?
No wonder you're so angry.

I've some good news for you, you've got it entirely wrong. We locked down in October to prevent a dreadful outbreak that would have killed a lot of people in November.

Like the dreadful outbreaks throughout Europe in November from the countries that already had higher case numbers and lower restrictions than us?

The lockdown in October was 100% sold to us as saving Christmas as there was no other justification for it.

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You have it in your head that we locked down in October to save Christmas?
No wonder you're so angry.

I've some good news for you, you've got it entirely wrong. We locked down in October to prevent a dreadful outbreak that would have killed a lot of people in November.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-irelands-govt-agrees-to-six-weeks-of-tightest-coronavirus-restrictions-report-12108678

Straight from the horses mouth you big boot licker.

Some Christmas we got anyways closed at 3pm on Christmas Eve and still paying for it.

gozunda wrote: »

Ahh I see t'was de flights personally charted by Tony and friends which are to blame. De bastards. ~ shakes fist and gets even more outraged arrghhhhh :rolleyes:

Listen carefully I will say this only once! And no not blaming anyone 'solely" BECAUSE Its irrelevant who anyone thinks was or was not to blame.

The fact is we ended up in a ****efest following Christmas. The fallout were still dealing with.

you brought up tony not me. projecting much? and i never said solely i just said I find it amazing you and others never mention the government flights when you start raving about Christmas.

Klonker wrote: »

Like the dreadful outbreaks throughout Europe in November from the countries that already had higher case numbers and lower restrictions than us?

The lockdown in October was 100% sold to us as saving Christmas as there was no other justification for it.

We had rapidly rising cases. We were facing a disaster.
Hundreds of people died from that outbreak, but our action prevented thousands from dying.

Perhaps you had Christmas in your head right through that lockdown, but most of us were complying for the sake of the vulnerable.

Klonker wrote: »

It's the people for restrictions like you who keep referencing Christmas and to avoid it happening again. I'm outlining some of the causes of the Christmas surge, that's all. I agree us opening up at Christmas contributed to our surge. Do you agree that us locking down in October also contributed to our surge?

So you're saying people 'like you' are against restrictions - is that it?

And of course I don't want anything like Christmas to happen again. That goes without saying.

As to your question- You may have already noticed that I'm not involved in the ususl stupid blame game discussion that repeatedly goes nowhere

It remains that a small vocal minority don't want to learn anything from having the highest rate of infection in the world post Christmas and just demand that the same ****e be allowed happen again before we've even had a chance to get a critical number vaccinated.

That's the issue.

Meanwhile in Europe...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/12/italy-braces-widespread-closures-covid-cases-rise

Italy’s government is expected to announce the closure of schools, restaurants and shops across most of the country as a new wave of coronavirus infections puts hospitals under strain.

The prime minister, Mario Draghi, will hold a mid-morning cabinet meeting on Friday to decide new restrictions for the eurozone’s third-largest economy, which on Thursday recorded almost 26,000 new Covid-19 cases and 373 deaths.

It all comes back to maintaining control. Relinquish control and you keep drifting in and out of severe shades of restrictions.

It's about finding balance.

We had a good balance in my opinion last summer but let that go. Not too tough measures but enough to keep a lid.

Graham wrote: »

Not the post I was responding to Jimbob which was in reference to Irish residents being permitted to fly back from the UK over Christmas by special arrangement.

Ypres5 likes to pretend that it's those Irish residents returning home (not for a Christmas visit) that are solely responsible for the arrival of the new variant for some reason. I don't think he actually believes it but is appears to keep him amused posting about it.

never said it was solely down to that, that's your own embellishment one of many you've done so far it's getting a little sad. so if the uk variant wasn't brought in as a result of lax border control where did it come from ? do you think it's magic graham?

ypres5 wrote: »

exactly the B117 variant didn't sprout from the ground it came here as a result of the government having lax border control when the variant was rampant in britain the public aren't in charge of border control

The variant was coming here anyway and any attempt to put controls in place to stop it is really a 'Zero-Covid' argument and even New Zealand can't keep it out.

OwenM wrote: »

The variant was coming here anyway and any attempt to put controls in place to stop it is really a 'Zero-Covid' argument and even New Zealand can't keep it out.

I agree I'm not looking for full on nz style border control but i just find it amazing how the government have dodged all responsibly for the hike in cases over that time of year. I've never heard one member of the press pulling them up on it it's like the 'ah sure we all went a bit mad' line that was pulled out after 2008

gozunda wrote: »

So you're saying people 'like you' are against restrictions - is that it?

And of course I don't want anything like Christmas to happen again. That goes without saying.

As to your question- You may have already noticed that I'm not involved in the ususl stupid blame game discussion that repeatedly goes nowhere

It remains that a small vocal minority don't want to learn anything from having the highest rate of infection in the world post Christmas and just demand that the same ****e be allowed happen again before we've even had a chance to get a critical number vaccinated.

That's the issue.

Well you did ask me did reopening at Christmas contribute to the surge in cases and I asked you did the lockdown in October contribute to it yet I'm paying the blame game and you are not

I do want to learn from Christmas and a part of that learning is to look into all reasons why the Christmas surge occurred, I don't realise that was a blame game. I also don't want Christmas to occur again but I also think our planned relaxation is too slow considering our vaccination roll out has begun. I don't want everything opened now but I also don't want 6 weeks between review at beginning of April and the next review in late May being hinted at. I also don't like the fact they decisions will be based on numbers and then give a rough guide to what those restrictions will be when they don't even know the numbers will be at the next review in a few weeks nevermind the review in May in 10 weeks

Any don't give me that nonsense taking offence to 'people like you'. It's a simple way of saying there's a discussion on here between people who think restrictions are excessive and people who think they aren't and people on both sides have differences in terms of how extreme their views are.

Klonker wrote: »

It's the people for restrictions like you who keep referencing Christmas and to avoid it happening again. I'm outlining some of the causes of the Christmas surge, that's all.

I agree us opening up at Christmas contributed to our surge. Do you agree that us locking down in October also contributed to our surge?

Just to point out, nobody is for restrictions for the craic. I know thats not what you're saying, but this debate gets too polarised into an "us" and "them" thing, when its anything but that IMO.
Everyone is angry, everyone is p1ssed off and lashing out, no-one enjoys it and we all want to find the best way out of it, its finding that best way is where the disagreements lie.

RGS wrote: »

We did lock down to have ameaningful Christmas as mentioned numerous times by MM.


His comments are on the record why do you deny this fact?

Christmas may have been mentioned by someone on October the 1st.
I don't recall it myself, but perhaps someone did. Send me a link if you have one.

But to suggest saving christmas was the primary goal of the October lockdown is completely nuts. We were on the crest of a second wave that would have shut our hospitals to all but covid and killed thousands.

****ing christmas