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When will it all end?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Innocent until proven guilty not a corner-store of the law on whatever planet you're inhabiting?




    So it's the equivalent of a name in a notebook? Are you intentionally stirring or will you claim a language barrier?

    You are very aggressive.

    Go for a walk it will do you a lot of good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    So it's the equivalent of a name in a notebook? Are you intentionally stirring or will you claim a language barrier?

    Well, authorities and investigators have to put some names in a file for an unexplainable death. This is how it works.
    Then yes, I would also claim a bit (lot) of language barrier for terms that are not familiar to me.
    Sorry about that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,776 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/cronaca/sicilia/siracusa-poliziotto-e-militare-morti-dopo-vaccino-la-procura-indaga-sotto-esame-le-fiale-astrazeneca_29669533-202102k.shtml

    Since it's an Italian news, the article is in Italian.
    This is the part you are mainly interested in:

    La procura di Siracusa ha iscritto nel registro degli indagati dieci persone, tutte accusate di omicidio colposo. Si va dal personale della catena di distribuzione del vaccino dalla società AstraZeneca che lo produce, fino al personale sanitario dell'ospedale militare che si è occupato dell'inoculazione. Disposto, inoltre, il sequestro del lotto.

    halfway into the article.

    I didn't say "arrested", I said they were charged for involuntary manslaughter.

    A little bit before that

    " At present, no causal link has been established between vaccine administration and deaths."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,366 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    Well, authorities and investigators have to put some names in a file for an unexplainable death. This is how it works.
    Then yes, I would also claim a bit (lot) of language barrier for terms that are not familiar to me.
    Sorry about that.

    Nah it's grand, I got a little carried away too. For the record in ireland the term "charged" is synonymous with arrest. Maybe "under investigation" would be the better term going forward.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Quazzie wrote: »
    A little bit before that

    " At present, no causal link has been established between vaccine administration and deaths."

    Of course, had they found any link between medication and deaths, the investigation would be over, so they are just saying that the facts are under review.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Nah it's grand, I got a little carried away too. For the record in ireland the term "charged" is synonymous with arrest. Maybe "under investigation" would be the better term going forward.

    Thanks, I'll treasure it ;)
    Please, be patient.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    What I don't understand is how the government say that they can't give definitive dates when things will reopen and will be dependent on case numbers yet they're able to say for how long things are not able to open up.

    Surely they go hand in hand, no? How can you make a blanket statement about staying in lockdown until mid-May without some link to Covid cases and vaccines administered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    VonLuck wrote: »
    What I don't understand is how the government say that they can't give definitive dates when things will reopen and will be dependent on case numbers yet they're able to say for how long things are not able to open up.

    Surely they go hand in hand, no? How can you make a blanket statement about staying in lockdown until mid-May without some link to Covid cases and vaccines administered?

    Because it's the easy thing to do. They're being weak, pathetic prawns.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,776 ✭✭✭✭Quazzie


    Of course, had they found any link between medication and deaths, the investigation would be over, so they are just saying that the facts are under review.

    They also haven't found any link between aliens and deaths.

    The aliens are still under review.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    ELM327 wrote: »
    +1


    These types of "protests" are attended by the likes of Gemma O Doherty and her ilk. Double digit IQ may be flattering as a label.

    Gemma actually told her flock not to go to the protests as they were full of government operatives


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Something is just wrong. Even if you think lockdowns save many lives. How are we the only country in EU with construction mostly shut?

    We got the youngest population like.

    Are there other countries out there with as many restrictions as us and with as little idea as to when they ll be lifted?

    At this stage you could say hairdressers will re open in April. or July. Like you really couldnt guess anymore correctly. or June or September.

    Its just so much nonsense and waffle of "numbers are not where we want them to be" its unreal. And when you question this people refer you back to Christmas, like holy bible (pun), but back then A) we had no vaccines, B) it was much colder and C) it was a celebration and huge family gathering were expected.

    PS funny how the recent protests havent caused any spikes in new cases huh? Incredible stuff. :rolleyes:

    Even more funny if cases did go up protesters wouldve been blamed as enemy number 1. Seriously messed up.


    the most infuriating thing are these alpha males going around newspapers and throwing their 50 cents interviews chatting shi*e like "we may re open that industry but very cautiously" and then 1 day later "we are unlikely to reopen anything until May" fkin infuriating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    Iceland, Denmark, and Norway have now all suspended Astrazeneca due to health fears.

    This is not going to help with convincing the 'doubters' to take the vaccine and get us to herd immunity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    PS funny how the recent protests havent caused any spikes in new cases huh?
    what makes you think they haven't?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Scotty # wrote: »
    what makes you think they haven't?

    I wouldve expected a flurry of posts from posters like yourself calling for their heads.

    I havent seen any, did you post?


    If you didnt post, I suppose cases havent sky rocketed "exponentially" and protests in fact have not caused any increase in new cases, which leads to the ultimate question of why not if theres a Nicaraguan variant according to Mehole and useless shi*e Donelly out there rampant keeping majority of the country sitting at home for months on end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Something is just wrong. Even if you think lockdowns save many lives. How are we the only country in EU with construction mostly shut?

    We got the youngest population like.

    Are there other countries out there with as many restrictions as us and with as little idea as to when they ll be lifted?

    At this stage you could say hairdressers will re open in April. or July. Like you really couldnt guess anymore correctly. or June or September.

    Its just so much nonsense and waffle of "numbers are not where we want them to be" its unreal. And when you question this people refer you back to Christmas, like holy bible (pun), but back then A) we had no vaccines, B) it was much colder and C) it was a celebration and huge family gathering were expected.

    PS funny how the recent protests havent caused any spikes in new cases huh? Incredible stuff. :rolleyes:

    Even more funny if cases did go up protesters wouldve been blamed as enemy number 1. Seriously messed up.


    the most infuriating thing are these alpha males going around newspapers and throwing their 50 cents interviews chatting shi*e like "we may re open that industry but very cautiously" and then 1 day later "we are unlikely to reopen anything until May" fkin infuriating.

    Mention of waffling which this post is full of (no surprise there) any chance you might reply to the two questions that you were asked earlier and couldn`t be arsed (or could it be unable) responding to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,782 ✭✭✭Scotty #


    I wouldve expected a flurry of posts from posters like yourself calling for their heads.
    These things aren't made public for months. The Galway students outing from last summer that infected 400 was only made public a couple of weeks ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Scotty # wrote: »
    These things aren't made public for months. The Galway students outing from last summer that infected 400 was only made public a couple of weeks ago.

    New cases are made public every day. 6.01. tune in.

    Words to remember: Concerned. Trajectory. Exponential. Cautious.

    and ofcourse: Next two weeks are crucial.


  • Site Banned Posts: 85 ✭✭jackryan34


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Iceland, Denmark, and Norway have now all suspended Astrazeneca due to health fears.

    This is not going to help with convincing the 'doubters' to take the vaccine and get us to herd immunity.

    Honestly I am not anti vaxx, i've had many vaccines traveling the world but these vaccines are not approved, they are emergency approved, they all have side effects, any vaccine I have taken have been fully approved, not emergency.

    If your young and healthy why would you risk the side effects?

    The risk reward ratio just isn't there, Covid is just not that dangerous to young healthy people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    What questions were those, Kunt?

    Be very careful with your name calling old buddy. You`re skating on very thin ice as your previous numerous bans prove.

    Anyway here we go yet again:rolleyes:

    Did you go to the last protest in Dublin? Considering all the crowing that you were doing about it beforehand you have been strangely silent about it since. .Could it be anything to do with the disgraceful actions carried out by a certain group of scrotes against the Gardai by any chance? After all you were cheerleading similar behaviour by other scrotes in Holland not too long ago. So what`s the story?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4 I am tekashi 6ix9ine


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Iceland, Denmark, and Norway have now all suspended Astrazeneca due to health fears.

    This is not going to help with convincing the 'doubters' to take the vaccine and get us to herd immunity.

    Would you not have doubts yourself now after 3 countries have suspended it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    Dont think so. I just came back from Spain.

    rocket into policeman's face? What is this Naples.

    You said you were going to the Dublin riot. I guess you were just misspeaking?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Year in review

    First we had “lower the curve” , then protect the elderly, protect the hospital system , save Christmas, protect the hospitals (again).
    NOW
    We have ....
    incoming ....
    “Protect the unborn”

    Remember. Hold firm .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    mcsean2163 wrote: »
    You said you were going to the Dublin riot. I guess you were just misspeaking?

    calling what happened in dublin that Saturday a riot shoes how quiet and docile ireland is. look at france and italy if you want to see a riot politicians here don't know they're born


  • Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0311/1203467-covid-19-figures/

    Amazing that it took almost a year and only in Ireland for people to notice.


  • Posts: 949 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0311/1203467-covid-19-figures/

    Amazing that it took almost a year and only in Ireland for people to notice.

    It really is. Approximate case numbers:

    Ireland - 225,000
    USA - 29 million
    UK - 4.25 million
    France - 4 million
    Germany - 2.5 million

    And almost every mention of "covid placentitis" you can fine in a search engine leads to an Irish publication and these same 4 stillbirth cases.

    You could maybe understand that Germany, with only ten times our case numbers (!), might not have picked it up. But you would expect that the US, where a similar prevalence would have led to 500+ stillbirths, might have noticed something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 144 ✭✭theunforgiven


    New cases are made public every day. 6.01. tune in.

    Words to remember: Concerned. Trajectory. Exponential. Cautious.

    and ofcourse: Next two weeks are crucial.

    Ah, looks like you play RTE Covid buzzword bingo too... :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,152 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0311/1203467-covid-19-figures/

    Amazing that it took almost a year and only in Ireland for people to notice.

    What’s the issue here? Should they not have researched it? Or should they not have publicised it?

    Or are you suggesting it isn’t real and it’s part of a conspiracy?

    Last week they were criticised in this thread for even mentioning it because it wasn’t confirmed yet. Now they’re being criticised for being the first in the world to confirm it.

    Is it just because it’s news that you think doesn’t help your general anti-restrictions point?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Scotty # wrote: »
    Iceland, Denmark, and Norway have now all suspended Astrazeneca due to health fears.

    Other countries in the Baltic area followed the example too.
    This is not going to help with convincing the 'doubters' to take the vaccine and get us to herd immunity.

    I heard an expert saying that due to the variants, the herd immunity could be reached by at least 80% of people vaccinated.
    Now, in my country at least 15% of people is under 18 years of age, plus, among adults, abut 20% stated they won't take the vaccine.
    This makes 32% people without vaccine. No herd immunity with these numbers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Sorry, double posting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,152 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Sorry, double posting.

    I looked it up for Ireland to see exactly what percentage of the populous population is under 18 and is ineligible for the vaccine at the moment. Turns out that 26% of the Irish population is under 18. And 21% is under 14.

    So given that only 74% of the population is even eligible for the vaccine, and if we successfully vaccinate 80% of them before winter, then we’re actually at about 59% of total population. Herd immunity is actually very hard to achieve if we need 80% of total population. That pretty much involves being able to vaccinate everyone who wants one of all ages and including small children. It won’t happen by this winter but should be doable by winter 2022.

    Question mark remain around this coming winter, unfortunately


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