Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

Deleted User wrote: »

It's nigh time to do away with the daily case numbers, the most vulnerable are being vaccinated at this rate so it will be soon redundant in terms of impact on healthy people. The key metrics that should apply are hospital admissions with Covid, and those in intensive care. The HSE is being prioritised by the Government, there you have it in a nutshell. Let the rest of us get on with our lives without the relentless scaremongering, start opening up the economy within weeks.

Case numbers still higher , twice what they were in December . Still too high numbers in ICU although there have been reductions and deaths .
Our children are just gone/ are going back to school so we need a few weeks at least , to see how that goes .
The economy will be opening up regardless but slowly this time .
That's just the way it is , unfortunately .

10000maniacs wrote: »

Nearly 5,000 non-residents flew into Ireland last week.
Good luck with the numbers coming down any time soon.
Can the government get their heads out of their cracks for one minute and put two and two together?

With a negative PCR test presumably? Would that not make them statistically less likely to have Covid than a random punter who hadn't just produced a negative test?

podgeandrodge wrote: »

WTF like? Seriously fúcked up type of reporting to get clicks:

Independent today:


Nine die in Covid outbreak at nursing home, a week after first jab was administered there

"Nine residents have died during an outbreak of Covid-19 at a HSE run residential centre which occurred just a week after the first jabs of the vaccines were administered."

But then goes on to say "It is not yet confirmed whether all nine residents who died had contracted Covid-19."

Surely a week is not enough for the first jab to have done much in any event. But the headline is bolloxology.

Headline is misleading alright. I would be more worried if they have died after getting vaccine and didn't have covid

podgeandrodge wrote: »

But in fairness, like NPHET, you're looking at this from a HCW point of view, and not looking at the extreme damage to the economy the longer it goes on. There's a balancing act to be sure, but keeping "non essential" retail closed is dubious for many in terms of the impact it actually has. It's a tad simplistic to say that the kids are going back to school, so let's give it a few more weeks, the economy will open up slowly.

Excluding Xmas, there seemed to be more pragmatism last year in allowing things open cautiously. This year they are wetting themselves over everything.

Its after Christmas that " they are wetting themselves " as you put it .
We can't afford a surge again either economically .

Also a 60 % more transmissible variant in 95 % of cases ...
That is the big difference from last year.

I am not just looking at it from a HCW point of view by the way although it obviously colours my opinion .
I am a citizen, tax payer , mother of young people attending school , uni , who will be looking for employment , and wife of a person who is afraid his job may not be there in the future .
I want things back to normal just like anyone else .

But realistically no matter how much people rail against it , restrictions will stay pretty much until group 7 are vaccinated and thereafter, reduced restrictions until majority vaccinated.

I am past caring what opens up first , just want it to be safe and not the shambles it was at Christmas .

I also badly need a haircut :eek:

Anecdotally the amount of young European citizens who are skilled workers here working in healthcare, IT and many other industries that are deciding to get out of Ireland in favour of other EU countries is very high. There could soon be a skills shortage and we're not exactly a place where people will want to come and work. Youngest population in Europe = longest lockdown in the Western world...great advertisement. Start a business to close it down for a year and counting.
You're not allowed to work in this country unless you're in a multinational company, Government job or healthcare. This is completely unsustainable - who is going to pick up this tab? The institutionalised population of Ireland, where ISAG, and others have been given a full media platform to scaremonger, that's who.
Irish public - please communicate more directly with us re upcoming review of restrictions. Government response - leak earlier and give nothing.
No one is going to follow any of the rules at this rate, it's just ridiculous.

is_that_so wrote: »

Hospital numbers are likely to be on the floor by Easter. It's actually the not talking us through any of this that is and has been the problem all along. Today's headline is mid-May, that's 9 weeks away or heading for 3 months and apparently we are getting next to nothing on April 5th.

That is because rest of secondary schools going back , so they want to check that effect first? .
Not denying it's a long time coming....just saying it's for good reason.
But yes they are terrible on communication, nothing new there .

I would prefer a slower opening up keep numbers low and keep vaccinating to get us out of this so that everyone can be more relaxed as the summer rolls on .
The alternative is open up and higher numbers infected in younger people under 65 s , which does still lead to increased illness and hospitalisation .
Many would be ok, but we all know it's not just older people who can be badly affected by this at this stage .

Goldengirl wrote: »

That is because rest of secondary schools going back , so they want to check that effect first? .
Not denying it's a long time coming....just saying it's for good reason.
But yes they are terrible on communication, nothing new there .

I would prefer a slower opening up keep numbers low and keep vaccinating to get us out of this so that everyone can be more relaxed as the summer rolls on .
The alternative is open up and higher numbers infected in younger people under 65 s , which does still lead to increased illness and hospitalisation .
Many would be ok, but we all know it's not just older people who can be badly affected by this at this stage .

Yes if opening up is messed up now, necessitating another lockdown it would be too much to bear. Better open up carefully and make sure it’s the last time we have to.

Goldengirl wrote: »

That is because rest of secondary schools going back , so they want to check that effect first? .
Not denying it's a long time coming....just saying it's for good reason.
But yes they are terrible on communication, nothing new there .

I would prefer a slower opening up keep numbers low and keep vaccinating to get us out of this so that everyone can be more relaxed as the summer rolls on .
The alternative is open up and higher numbers infected in younger people under 65 s , which does still lead to increased illness and hospitalisation .
Many would be ok, but we all know it's not just older people who can be badly affected by this at this stage .

This is the biggest difference to last year. We knew why there were 2-3 weeks as they explained it to us and we knew when they were happening in advance. Nor are they even bothering with your explanation in your second paragraph.

If you listen to Martin at times he makes it sound like the summer is off too. They actually need to pay serious attention to communication more than ever now as it will help with compliance. They are going to start losing people unless they wise up.

Monster249 wrote: »

Do you actually believe the government when they tell you that another lockdown would be the result of they moved to Level 3 in April? Genuinely curious.

I haven’t heard ‘the government’ say that honestly because I don’t watch the news or listen to the radio. We opened up in December at lower levels, thinking we were doing great and look what happened. It’s too easy to feck this up.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Those would be those at very high risk .
Still essential workers , those aged 65 to 69 , and then group 7 , a massive group of those under 65s who are still at high risk due to underlying conditions. , before things can start to open up.

It's not realistic to protect everyone that's vulnerable with a vaccine before going to level 3, that would be the most cautious approach in the Western World which is not acceptable given the length of time we've been in lockdown already. There has to be some balance.

fits wrote: »

No they are not doing the same again. That’s exactly the point. Society is Opening up slowly bit by bit. children are just back at school this week. Their education cannot be jeopardised again.

I understand it’s frustrating but we are so near the end of this. People just need to hang in there a bit longer.

9 weeks at the very least is not so near the end of it! Even then we don't know what meaningful reduction of restrictions means.

fits wrote: »

No they are not doing the same again. That’s exactly the point. Society is Opening up slowly bit by bit. children are just back at school this week. Their education cannot be jeopardised again.

I understand it’s frustrating but we are so near the end of this. People just need to hang in there a bit longer.

That's exactly what they're doing? Giving us nothing for another 9 WEEKS and then going to Level 3 maybe? There's just going to be chaos at that stage and people will be abiding by the restrictions less and less.

titan18 wrote: »

As someone who likely falls into group 7, I still think we should be reducing restrictions sooner. I can avoid riskier situations myself. Don't need to be babied by the government.

Well good for you !
Have you polled everybody else in that group to see if they can mind themselves and are not concerned about the high risk of serious illness and death ?