Sarah Everard Murder - Serving Met Officer Arrested Mod Note in OP

HansKroenke · 10-03-2021 1:31pm #1

I haven't seen a thread on this but a quite disturbing story appeared last week about a missing girl, Sarah Everard, a 33 year old marketing professional working in London. She apparently went missing while walking home from an unidentified friend at 9pm last week, having walked through Clapham Common. The walk should've taken less than an hour but it was unclear whether she returned home.

Last night a forensics tent was set up near where she was understood to have last been seen and today a serving officer in the Met, Wayne Couzens, has been arrested at his home in Kent and officers are digging up his garden. A woman at the address has also been arrested for suspicion of assisting him in whatever he is alleged to have done.

Awful story if something has happened to the poor girl but there is a lack of information about what apparently happened and her alleged movements the night of her disappearance. I have not seen anything which even indicates she has been murdered as of yet. There has been a lot of comments about women being afraid to walk home alone at night but I can't see how they can make these claims in respect of this disappearance until it is clear what actually happened.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9346175/Serving-Met-Police-officer-father-two-48-arrested-disappearance-Sarah-Everard.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/police-officer-is-arrested-over-disappearance-of-woman-in-london-1.4506301

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/mar/10/sarah-everard-arrested-police-officer-not-on-duty-when-she-went-missing

Necro wrote: »

Mod:

Show the victim some respect - this is not a thread to judge someone on what they should or should not have done when someone has been tragically murdered.

This is also not a thread to soapbox about making martial arts training mandatory or about the right to bear arms. If you want to do that take it elsewhere as well.

2lazytogetup · 10-03-2021 2:20pm

i wonder how they caught him, and relatively quickly.

HansKroenke · 10-03-2021 2:27pm

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i wonder how they caught him, and relatively quickly.

The Daily Mail reported a few days ago that they had called to the property of the unnamed friend she had been meeting that night and a woman told them to go to the police if they want information. In all reports of her movements that night, there has been a lot of emphasis on the phone call she had made to her boyfriend after she left the house but a lack of information about the friend she visited.

HansKroenke · 10-03-2021 4:08pm

Unfortunately and tragically, the officer has now been further arrested on suspicion of her murder.

Kimbot · 10-03-2021 5:07pm

MOD Moved to CA as its more appropriate there. Please take note of Local Charter.

Be right back · 10-03-2021 9:33pm

HansKroenke wrote: »

Unfortunately and tragically, the officer has now been further arrested on suspicion of her murder.

Theý have now found a body. Terrible story.

HansKroenke · 10-03-2021 11:07pm

Be right back wrote: »

Theý have now found a body. Terrible story.

Awful. It reminds me of that incident a few years ago here where that young girl was grabbed off the street by that scumbag dad. I think she had an Asian family

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14302109/sarah-everard-wayne-couzens-warrant-card/

The working theory is that he enticed her into the car with some form of police identification, randomly targeting her. It was only 9pm in the evening and she was walking in London, to think this could have happened randomly is frightening.

Ronaldinho · 10-03-2021 11:53pm

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i wonder how they caught him, and relatively quickly.

JustAThought · 11-03-2021 12:05am

2lazytogetup wrote: »

i wonder how they caught him, and relatively quickly.

They asked for and reviewed the cctv and doorbell cameras footage of over 750 houses and business on her assumed route home.

They then used this to figure out where she was last seen and started closing roads and lifting up manhole covers along that road.

No f’ing about with the english police system.

Here two scrote travellers with 100 convictions between them are still out on the streets and con two different elderly ladies in their 80’s out of over 120,000 - and are still wandering about.

wouldn’t happen in the uk. Joke of a country this.

Horrific whatever has happened that girl - fair dues to her friends who insisted she must have been abducted or kidnapped.

11-03-2021 1:07am

https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2021/0310/1203045-sarah-everard-london/

Initially arrested on suspicion of kidnap so had him on cctv abducting her maybe and they mention a separate of indecent exposure too. Sounds like this guy escalated very quickly.

Tell me how · 11-03-2021 4:07am

HansKroenke wrote: »

I haven't seen a thread on this but a quite disturbing story appeared last week about a missing girl, Sarah Everard, a 33 year old marketing professional working in London. She apparently went missing while walking home from an unidentified friend at 9pm last week, having walked through Clapham Common. The walk should've taken less than an hour but it was unclear whether she returned home.

It's going off topic slightly but I am somewhat shocked to see how few posts there are on this tragic incident after the thread has been open, what 15 hours, when other topics of violence in this forum get such attention. It was a very active topic throughout yesterday on Twitter with many women having to defend Sarah from people implying she was partly responsible for having attempted to walk home on her own in the dark.
Added to that. the fact that an active duty policeman just makes it even more troubling it will make people even doubt police officers in future should they be approached by someone claiming to be one.
RIP to Sarah if it turns out the remains found are hers.

Be right back · 11-03-2021 8:04am

Apparently where the body was found is a well known flytipping spot. Dumped like rubbish. Awful story.

ButtersSuki · 11-03-2021 8:23am

I’d read the headlines of this story but not the detail until now. I lived in a house on the route she walked for a year. I know that area like the back of my hand. Really brings it home. Frightening. RIP.

Hangdogroad · 11-03-2021 8:50am

HansKroenke wrote: »

Awful. It reminds me of that incident a few years ago here where that young girl was grabbed off the street by that scumbag dad. I think she had an Asian family

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14302109/sarah-everard-wayne-couzens-warrant-card/

The working theory is that he enticed her into the car with some form of police identification, randomly targeting her. It was only 9pm in the evening and she was walking in London, to think this could have happened randomly is frightening.

This weirdo who tried to abduct an elderly woman in Dublin sentenced to 6 years yesterday. Shes lucky to be alive.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40241504.html

BensMixed · 11-03-2021 8:52am

Tell me how wrote: »

It's going off topic slightly but I am somewhat shocked to see how few posts there are on this tragic incident after the thread has been open, what 15 hours, when other topics of violence in this forum get such attention. It was a very active topic throughout yesterday on Twitter with many women having to defend Sarah from people implying she was partly responsible for having attempted to walk home on her own in the dark.
Added to that. the fact that an active duty policeman just makes it even more troubling it will make people even doubt police officers in future should they be approached by someone claiming to be one.
RIP to Sarah if it turns out the remains found are hers.

It's a terrible story. I found it shocking and sickening.

It is very surprising that the thread doesn't have more posts. There does seem to be quite a few posts on this forum about crimes that have happened and most people feel very disturbed and angry about the crimes they are posting about. Perhaps we will get more posts when more details of the story come out.

We don't have any details about the perpetrator yet.

11-03-2021 8:57am

“We have found very sadly what appears to be human remains,” says Met Police commissioner.

Ms Dick said: “At this early stage we are not able to confirm any identity and that may take us some considerable time.”

Rest in Peace, Sarah

Spanish Eyes · 11-03-2021 8:58am

There may be more comments/discussion as the day goes on. Who knows?

I think the reason there appears to be little interest is the fact that the murder/abduction happened across the pond.

If the remains turn out to be the missing woman (seems likely), may she rest in peace.

New2Dubs · 11-03-2021 9:08am

I’ve been following this story and was desperate Sarah turned up alive. She was just walking home. As a woman who safely walked the streets of London for years, I’m appalled her life ended this way. Her poor family.

On a side note, is it unusual for the alleged perpetrator to be named and photographed in the British press? I’m sure the Met are confident they have their man, perhaps it’s to reassure the public?

11-03-2021 9:13am

It’s definitely unusual to name someone before they are charged but I say The Met want to be as transparent as possible as it’s one of their own. This guy was in the parliamentary and diplomatic division.

celt262 · 11-03-2021 9:19am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

It’s definitely unusual to name someone before they are charged but I say The Met want to be as transparent as possible as it’s one of their own. This guy was in the parliamentary and diplomatic division.

It wasn't the MET who named him the media got wind of the police searches at his home and went over and got information from the neighbors.

Terrontress · 11-03-2021 9:21am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

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If the remains turn out to be the missing woman (seems likely), may she rest in peace.

Even if it isn’t her, there have been human remains dumped in a forest. Someone has come to an undignified end and will be missed.

It’s a terribly sad story. I know the area well, having previously driven it on a commute for three years, and would have thought it to have been the safest part of the entire intended route home as outlined by the police.

Be right back · 11-03-2021 9:23am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

It’s definitely unusual to name someone before they are charged but I say The Met want to be as transparent as possible as it’s one of their own. This guy was in the parliamentary and diplomatic division.

Apparently he was working that day in the US embassy.

Smee_Again · 11-03-2021 9:32am

Awful story, and may she rest in peace.

The road she went missing from, Poynders Road, is a busy road at any time of the day or night. I used to live roughly where she went missing it's not a place one would hesitate to walk down at night.

Terrontress · 11-03-2021 9:36am

Smee_Again wrote: »

Awful story, and may she rest in peace.

The road she went missing from, Poynders Road, is a busy road at any time of the day or night. I used to live roughly where she went missing it's not a place one would hesitate to walk down at night.

Exactly! They think she came through Clapham Common and was going to go down New Park Road, both of which I’d be more concerned about than Poynders Road. Even walking down Brixton Hill there are little grassy areas I'd be concerned about.

I think they've had this guy in their sights for a while, due to CCTV. We think it's safe along there because you wouldn't get away with it. He hasn't got away with it, but it has still happened!

Munstergirl854 · 11-03-2021 9:51am

Apparently he had just finished a shift at the US Embassy,his car was picked up on CCTV from a bus speaking to her so that's how they got their breakthrough.Working on a theory he used his warrant card and the lockdown measures as a reason to stop her.Awful if true.Still find it hard to believe she would have Willingly got into the car with him though.Both he and his brother joined the police after working in the family garage for years.

Interesting that the indecent exposure charge relates to a different female...seems they did their homework on him before they pounced.

miamee · 11-03-2021 10:49am

I'm finding this story very shocking as well, what could be more normal than walking home from a friend's house and yet it has ended tragically. People have mentioned that those streets are normally busy but I wonder would they be any quieter at the moment with covid and people staying home more. Still shocking.

seamus · 11-03-2021 10:54am

Still find it hard to believe she would have Willingly got into the car with him though.

Well, if the story is that he stopped her on the pretence of a Covid restrictions check, he probably was like, "That's fine, do you want a lift home so?".

She would have thought, "It's dark and dangerous to walk home, this guy is a cop, why not?".

New2Dubs · 11-03-2021 10:56am

seamus wrote: »

Well, if the story is that he stopped her on the pretence of a Covid restrictions check, he probably was like, "That's fine, do you want a lift home so?".

She would have thought, "It's dark and dangerous to walk home, this guy is a cop, why not?".

God, that has chilled me to the bone. This man is married with young kids.

celt262 · 11-03-2021 10:58am

Munstergirl854 wrote: »

Interesting that the indecent exposure charge relates to a different female...seems they did their homework on him before they pounced.

That came about after he was arrested initially its a good chance someone seen his picture after it came out and reported him. Seem to have been a few reports of a flasher in this area even in the weeks leading up to the tragedy.

Lundstram · 11-03-2021 10:59am

Safe to say she met a terrible death if they're unable to identify her. Poor woman.

So many questions. Talk of the officer's partner being involved? Why is he still a police officer if facing charges for another offence? (just seen the post above)

suicide_circus · 11-03-2021 11:02am

Looking at the front of the newspapers in a shop this morning; this story and gardai searching for the torso of that murdered 17 year old in drogheda....

ArmaniJeanss · 11-03-2021 11:05am

seamus wrote: »

Well, if the story is that he stopped her on the pretence of a Covid restrictions check, he probably was like, "That's fine, do you want a lift home so?".

She would have thought, "It's dark and dangerous to walk home, this guy is a cop, why not?".

Obviously there's been 'killer cops' in the UK before, but they've tended to be domestic situations and that's something which can't really be catered for.

However this looks completely different - predatory and possibly random unless a link between the two emerges.

Could see it having huge implications and a complete evaluation of what profiling they do for applicants to the police. To see what might have been missed. If any corners have been cut or there have been budget reductions in the profiling process then could turn into quite a story.

seamus · 11-03-2021 11:15am

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Could see it having huge implications and a complete evaluation of what profiling they do for applicants to the police. To see what might have been missed. If any corners have been cut or there have been budget reductions in the profiling process then could turn into quite a story.

It's well documented that police forces in general attract a certain "type" of individual.

Domestic violence and infidelity rates (amongst both genders) are known to be much higher in polices forces than the general population.

Vetting and profiling has its limitations. If someone has never come up on the radar the background check will pick up nothing, and in general murderers and rapists don't come up as "abnormal" on any personality profiles.

Socially we are raised to know what is right and what is wrong. So even if someone doesn't care about doing the wrong thing, they know what the "right" answer is in any kind of conversation or personality profile.

As mentioned further upthread, if it's a case that the cops were watching this guy based on another indecent incident, there will be huge questions about why he wasn't picked up earlier. Chances are there were no indicators he would do something like this, but nevertheless if it could have been stopped earlier...

Thelonious Monk · 11-03-2021 11:40am

I know the area well and would have walked her route loads of times, it's so busy, 24/7 this area would be busy, so how he did this is a mystery, for now anyway. A horrible outcome for that poor woman who was just walking home.

Pipmae · 11-03-2021 12:03pm

This is a shocking case. The police have done an excellent job IMO. I've been following the story since she went missing and I was hoping for a more positive result.

It reminds me of the Karen Buckley murder in Glasgow about 5 years ago.

Whatsisname · 11-03-2021 12:12pm

I've been keeping up with this over the last few days and my heart sank when they found remains yesterday. The shocking thing is she did everything right. She wore bright coloured clothes, she had running shoes on, she spoke with her boyfriend on the phone as she walked, she stuck to busy roads and she still wasn't safe. It's very very depressing. The thoughts of an officer using his badge to entice her into the car is really chilling. The fact they said it may take some time to identify the remains is horrendous. I can't imagine the pain her family and partner must be going through.

fits · 11-03-2021 12:13pm

It brings Jill Meagher to mind for me. At that time I was living abroad and often walked or cycled home alone through the forest ( well lit path linking city centre to suburbs in a very safe small city). Those events completely freaked me out. The only comfort is, it’s a rare occurrence

celt262 · 11-03-2021 12:14pm

Pipmae wrote: »

This is a shocking case. The police have done an excellent job IMO. I've been following the story since she went missing and I was hoping for a more positive result.

It reminds me of the Karen Buckley murder in Glasgow about 5 years ago.

I think it would be very rare that a case like this would end with a positive ending sadly.

ButtersSuki · 11-03-2021 12:21pm

It’s not exactly a quiet part of London. There’s CCTV cameras everywhere in the area, and with the surge in popularity of doorbell camera systems etc it’s baffling to me how he thought he could abduct her undetected. And he should/would have known this in his line of work. Very strange.

Be right back · 11-03-2021 12:22pm

ButtersSuki wrote: »

It’s not exactly a quiet part of London. There’s CCTV cameras everywhere in the area, and with the surge in popularity of doorbell camera systems etc it’s baffling to me how he thought he could abduct her undetected. And he should/would have known this in his line of work. Very strange.

Apparently the abduction was not caught on camera.

Seth Brundle · 11-03-2021 12:29pm

celt262 wrote: »

I think it would be very rare that a case like this would end with a positive ending sadly.

Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.
― Margaret Atwood

lucernarian · 11-03-2021 12:30pm

Whatsisname wrote: »

I've been keeping up with this over the last few days and my heart sank when they found remains yesterday. The shocking thing is she did everything right. She wore bright coloured clothes, she had running shoes on, she spoke with her boyfriend on the phone as she walked, she stuck to busy roads and she still wasn't safe. It's very very depressing. The thoughts of an officer using his badge to entice her into the car is really chilling. The fact they said it may take some time to identify the remains is horrendous. I can't imagine the pain her family and partner must be going through.

Do you know what the situation with the friend was? The mere act of walking around outside before going home would have nothing to do with covid restrictions so it's hardly fair to apportion any blame to the victim whatsoever. But I wonder about the friend having guests when this is currently illegal.

Thelonious Monk · 11-03-2021 12:31pm

lucernarian wrote: »

Do you know what the situation with the friend was? The mere act of walking around outside before going home would have nothing to do with covid restrictions so it's hardly fair to apportion any blame to the victim whatsoever. But I wonder about the friend having guests when this is currently illegal.

Even if it is illegal who cares? She could have been smoking a joint on the way home too it makes no difference that some psycho abducted her.

celt262 · 11-03-2021 12:32pm

lucernarian wrote: »

Do you know what the situation with the friend was? The mere act of walking around outside before going home would have nothing to do with covid restrictions so it's hardly fair to apportion any blame to the victim whatsoever. But I wonder about the friend having guests when this is currently illegal.

A lady has been murdered any you are wondering about someone having guests over

Leg End Reject · 11-03-2021 12:33pm

Be right back wrote: »

Apparently the abduction was not caught on camera.

A policeman would know where the blindsspots are.

celt262 · 11-03-2021 12:35pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

A policeman would know where the blindsspots are.

He wasn't smart enough to know that a bus cam could catch him and a lot of private vehicles have dash cams also.

Witcher · 11-03-2021 12:36pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

A policeman would know where the blindsspots are.

Yes police know where every camera in London is, christ above.

lucernarian · 11-03-2021 12:38pm

celt262 wrote: »

A lady has been murdered any you are wondering about someone having guests over

Yeah, I'm wondering about the friend in this situation and if there was any more context available.

EmmetSpiceland · 11-03-2021 12:38pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

A policeman would know where the blindsspots are.

That could well be true but if he was working at an embassy he might have been out of “the loop”.

The doorbell footage is one he may not have accounted for.

Horrible thing to happen and, hopefully, those involved are brought to justice.

Pipmae · 11-03-2021 12:39pm

I'd be fairly sure that Ring doorbells played a part as well.

They had enough on him for him to fess up where the body was left so they must have a strong case against him.

lucernarian · 11-03-2021 12:39pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Even if it is illegal who cares? She could have been smoking a joint on the way home too it makes no difference that some psycho abducted her.

I'm not talking about the victim who is clearly blameless for walking around, but the friend who had a guest over when that's against the law. Joints or other whataboutery about the victim do NOT come into it.

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