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stefanovich · 10-03-2021 03:33PM

duploelabs wrote: »

They're not verbs

Adjectives of course, brain typo :P

stefanovich · 10-03-2021 03:34PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I copied and pasted the same sentence I used many times before as it's a nice, accurate summary of Trump. Don't worry, when one of you adds something new and constructive to the conversation, I will do likewise. I might be waiting a while though.

https://metro.co.uk/2017/05/12/people-were-asked-to-say-the-first-word-that-came-to-mind-with-donald-trump-6632149/

stefanovich · 10-03-2021 03:36PM

relax carry on wrote: »

Trump brought the attention on himself everyday of his administration because as with everything in his life, it was always about him. This wasn't Media driven. It's was driven by Trump himself through his own Tweets, those Tweets he retweeted, the verbatim transcripts of his various interviews, unedited videos of his interviews/public appearances and his actions/inactions across a multitude issues. His unfitness for holding any office became more pronounced as his administration lurched form one crisis of his own making to another. It was further reinforced by those Trump surrounded himself with and their own unfitness for the offices they held.
Bidens administration is not hampered by the self inflicted issues which were rife in Trump's administration no matter how hard people try to make it so.

And what would you say to people who lives changed for the better under Trump due to his policies?

Can you not admit that he did some good?

everlast75 · 10-03-2021 03:42PM

This makes a lot of sense...

"The only reason the GOP is talking about Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head and Cancel Culture is that Biden doesn't make their base angry enough and the only way for the GOP to exist is for their base to be always angry"

Head over heels 1982 · 10-03-2021 03:45PM

everlast75 wrote: »

This makes a lot of sense...

"The only reason the GOP is talking about Dr. Seuss and Mr. Potato Head and Cancel Culture is that Biden doesn't make their base angry enough and the only way for the GOP to exist is for their base to be always angry"

Young man based on your last few posts you are the only angry individual here.

weisses · 10-03-2021 03:46PM

stefanovich wrote: »

And what would you say to people who lives changed for the better under Trump due to his policies?

Can you not admit that he did some good?

Even under Pol Pot some people had better lives ....

So its safe to assume Trump did good for some citizens

10-03-2021 03:48PM

stefanovich wrote: »

https://metro.co.uk/2017/05/12/people-were-asked-to-say-the-first-word-that-came-to-mind-with-donald-trump-6632149/

Thank you for backing up that my description is an accurate one.

astrofool · 10-03-2021 03:55PM

stefanovich wrote: »

And what would you say to people who lives changed for the better under Trump due to his policies?

Can you not admit that he did some good?

Based on trumps policies, you're really into a small narrow group of rich white guys. Other peoples lives did improve during those year, but there was very little policy involved to cause that other than continuation of what the previous administration had been doing (which happened despite donny trying to tear it all down).

10-03-2021 04:02PM

stefanovich wrote: »

And what would you say to people who lives changed for the better under Trump due to his policies?

Can you not admit that he did some good?

Are you saying that if a president made the lives of the middle and lower classes worse but made the lives of the upper class better, that I should admit that the president did something good?

If so then yes, Trump did something good. In fact, he was actually an amazing president.

NSAman · 10-03-2021 04:47PM

astrofool wrote: »

Based on trumps policies, you're really into a small narrow group of rich white guys. Other peoples lives did improve during those year, but there was very little policy involved to cause that other than continuation of what the previous administration had been doing (which happened despite donny trying to tear it all down).

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you saying that if a president made the lives of the middle and lower classes worse but made the lives of the upper class better, that I should admit that the president did something good?

If so then yes, Trump did something good. In fact, he was actually an amazing president.

I find it interesting that Trump Bad.. Biden Good.

Living here and seeing the changes post Obama under Trump many people would actually agree that Trump made things better.

Now I know you are all going to jump up and down at that statement. It was not just the High earners and 1%. 6 Months after Trump came in, you could actually feel serious change in attitudes to business and building work.

It is still too early to tell what is going to happen with Biden. However, gas prices are shooting up. The confidence levels in people where I live is not there. They do not know what the future is.

Personally speaking, Trump was an asshole. I found him to be the most objectionable person ever, BUT you cannot say he made things good for only the rich..... that is a jaundiced view.

Head over heels 1982 · 10-03-2021 04:59PM

One of his great accomplishments is the ground breaking first step act that started to undo the wrong of the 1994 criminal act law.

In 2018, President Trump signed the groundbreaking First Step Act,
Over 90% of those benefiting from the retroactive sentencing reductions in the First Step Act are Black Americans.

The poverty rate fell to a 17-year low of 11.8% under the Trump administration before the pandemic as a result of a jobs-rich environment.

There is many other positives I can post if you need further persuasion.

To say the past administration did nothing for the lower and middle classes is wrong.

Quin_Dub · 10-03-2021 05:02PM

NSAman wrote: »

I find it interesting that Trump Bad.. Biden Good.

Living here and seeing the changes post Obama under Trump many people would actually agree that Trump made things better.

Now I know you are all going to jump up and down at that statement. It was not just the High earners and 1%. 6 Months after Trump came in, you could actually feel serious change in attitudes to business and building work.

It is still too early to tell what is going to happen with Biden. However, gas prices are shooting up. The confidence levels in people where I live is not there. They do not know what the future is.

Personally speaking, Trump was an asshole. I found him to be the most objectionable person ever, BUT you cannot say he made things good for only the rich..... that is a jaundiced view.

This is the bit that I don't really understand - Not disputing the accuracy of your statement , but questioning why it is that people feel that way.

All of the hard evidence shows that growth under Trump (excluding Covid period) was slower than under Obama and actually every other POTUS in the last 40 years (other than GWB) and even historically , there has always been more economic growth under Democrat administrations than under the GOP.

Why is it that the general US populace seem to be of the opinion that the GOP are better for the economy/growth than Democrats when that's just not the case (and almost never has been)??

stefanovich · 10-03-2021 05:12PM

astrofool wrote: »

Based on trumps policies, you're really into a small narrow group of rich white guys. Other peoples lives did improve during those year, but there was very little policy involved to cause that other than continuation of what the previous administration had been doing (which happened despite donny trying to tear it all down).

That's just blatantly false. Poor black people benefitted a lot.

NSAman · 10-03-2021 05:14PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This is the bit that I don't really understand - Not disputing the accuracy of your statement , but questioning why it is that people feel that way.

All of the hard evidence shows that growth under Trump (excluding Covid period) was slower than under Obama and actually every other POTUS in the last 40 years (other than GWB) and even historically , there has always been more economic growth under Democrat administrations than under the GOP.

Why is it that the general US populace seem to be of the opinion that the GOP are better for the economy/growth than Democrats when that's just not the case (and almost never has been)??

Good question Quin.

That is the undefinable issue. On the ground, jobs were literally being thrown at people. Wages absolutely increased under Trump, there were so many jobs around that they advertised at every McDonalds, Wendy's etc by putting notes IN the bags.

I am not driven by emotions purely by experience and what I see around me. Under Trump (and as I have said it is WAY to early to see changes under Biden) within a few weeks there was a confidence in businesses and trades people (which I had been using for years) reported that things were picking up dramatically.

Now I know the pandemic is causing Biden's administration to have other issues to deal with immediately, but..... and this is important in a US context... gas prices have seen a massive increase. That causes people to be much more wary of the future.

There does not seem to be the confidence currently in the new administration. While approval ratings are good, the on the ground experience is much more different (in my humble experience). Talk of higher gas prices than now, talk of significantly raising tax rates, etc. is causing uneasiness and lack of confidence.

I am not advocating for Reps or Dems (contrary to what others on here say) I am just giving my honest opinion of what people are talking about.

10-03-2021 05:14PM

NSAman wrote: »

I find it interesting that Trump Bad.. Biden Good.

Living here and seeing the changes post Obama under Trump many people would actually agree that Trump made things better.

Now I know you are all going to jump up and down at that statement. It was not just the High earners and 1%. 6 Months after Trump came in, you could actually feel serious change in attitudes to business and building work.

It is still too early to tell what is going to happen with Biden. However, gas prices are shooting up. The confidence levels in people where I live is not there. They do not know what the future is.

Personally speaking, Trump was an asshole. I found him to be the most objectionable person ever, BUT you cannot say he made things good for only the rich..... that is a jaundiced view.

Having lived in America while Trump was president I would have to strongly disagree with that. The only people I talked to who believed he was doing a good job or improved their lives were die hard republicans who would say that was the case for any republican president.

stefanovich · 10-03-2021 05:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Having lived in America while Trump was president I would have to strongly disagree with that. The only people I talked to who believed he was doing a good job or improved their lives were die hard republicans who would say that was the case for any republican president.

I'm guessing you lived in one of those utopian cities like SF or Portland.

10-03-2021 05:19PM

NSAman wrote: »

Good question Quin.

That is the undefinable issue. On the ground, jobs were literally being thrown at people. Wages absolutely increased under Trump, there were so many jobs around that they advertised at every McDonalds, Wendy's etc by putting notes IN the bags.

I am not driven by emotions purely by experience and what I see around me. Under Trump (and as I have said it is WAY to early to see changes under Biden) within a few weeks there was a confidence in businesses and trades people (which I had been using for years) reported that things were picking up dramatically.

Now I know the pandemic is causing Biden's administration to have other issues to deal with immediately, but..... and this is important in a US context... gas prices have seen a massive increase. That causes people to be much more wary of the future.

There does not seem to be the confidence currently in the new administration. While approval ratings are good, the on the ground experience is much more different (in my humble experience). Talk of higher gas prices than now, talk of significantly raising tax rates, etc. is causing uneasiness and lack of confidence.

I am not advocating for Reps or Dems (contrary to what others on here say) I am just giving my honest opinion of what people are talking about.

Pretty much all analyses show that the economy under Trump was simply an extension of the Obama economy and that it did not improve due to any of Trump's own policies but was instead simply a continuation of the upward trend of Obama's policies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/09/upshot/how-good-is-the-trump-economy-really.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/18/trump-economy-versus-obama-economy/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/24/17759940/donald-trump-economy-jobs-growth-obama

10-03-2021 05:20PM

stefanovich wrote: »

I'm guessing you lived in one of those utopian cities like SF or Portland.

Incorrect. I did not even live in a city.

briany · 10-03-2021 05:21PM

NSAman wrote: »

I find it interesting that Trump Bad.. Biden Good.

Living here and seeing the changes post Obama under Trump many people would actually agree that Trump made things better.

Now I know you are all going to jump up and down at that statement. It was not just the High earners and 1%. 6 Months after Trump came in, you could actually feel serious change in attitudes to business and building work.

It is still too early to tell what is going to happen with Biden. However, gas prices are shooting up. The confidence levels in people where I live is not there. They do not know what the future is.

Personally speaking, Trump was an asshole. I found him to be the most objectionable person ever, BUT you cannot say he made things good for only the rich..... that is a jaundiced view.

It's typical Trump to have said, "I/We created the greatest economy in history.", but no-one would disagree that he didn't do anything to stop the ball rolling in terms of the economic recovery under Obama. The problem for Trump is that it appears as if he was banking on nothing major happening during his four years in office, because when something major did happen, he really did not help matters. A truly good captain has to be able to sail through the stormy waters as well as the calm.

It's often said that the Republicans are more pro-business, but what does this mean? Lower taxes and less regulation? If that's so great, then you'd think the other party wouldn't even exist. The problem can be that lower taxes means less money for public services, which are then provided by private sector firms who aren't under as much pressure to work to spec, given the relaxing of laws governing how they conduct their business. So, this is just all to say that there's a balance to be struck when you're pro-business. Trump was a great man in West Virginia for getting some of those coal mines to reopen, but on the macro scale, those mines are insignificant and produce an increasingly irrelevant product. That's another trade-off - there are potential longterm implications of buoying up certain sectors of industry, and pragmatic decisions taken in light of this aren't always popular in the short term.

Cody montana · 10-03-2021 05:25PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Having lived in America while Trump was president I would have to strongly disagree with that. The only people I talked to who believed he was doing a good job or improved their lives were die hard republicans who would say that was the case for any republican president.

Hopefully Biden can restore America’s image on the world stage.

NSAman · 10-03-2021 05:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much all analyses show that the economy under Trump was simply an extension of the Obama economy and that it did not improve due to any of Trump's own policies but was instead simply a continuation of the upward trend of Obama's policies.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/09/upshot/how-good-is-the-trump-economy-really.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/18/trump-economy-versus-obama-economy/
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/24/17759940/donald-trump-economy-jobs-growth-obama

Deleted User wrote: »

Incorrect. I did not even live in a city.

Aristotle,

I live in a VERY divided community IN the country.

My neighbours one side are staunch republicans, the neighbours on the other side are staunch democrats. I have no interest in politics and talk to both sides no issues at all.

I talk to many people everyday and believe me, trying to talk to people without taking sides is VERY difficult in this community. You hear everything that is being said. I work with community groups on a volunteer basis, so you hear every type of opinion, from the donors and recipients.

Currently, in my experience and discussions, confidence is not high. Obviously, with the pandemic economic issues are paramount, many businesses are closed and will never open again. It is not easy to compare and contrast the two administrations under these conditions. BUT (always a but) what you do hear are people's opinions. I can only base my experience on that.

I find it interesting the opinions on here. The complete polar ends of the spectrum. There is a vast section of the community that agree with something from both parties on issues, yet if they raise their voices they are classified as something that they are not. The silent majority is just that... Silent.

Biden has a huge mountain to climb with rebuilding this economy. His Everest though, is trying to bring America (all Americans) along with him. That, in my humble opinion, is not going to happen. He does not have the leadership abilities for that.

Quantum Baloney · 10-03-2021 05:39PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Hopefully Biden can restore America’s image on the world stage.

Restore it to what exactly? The widely loathed "might is right" imperial powerhouse bullyboy that ransacked countless countries and fomented rebellions with impunity worldwide? lol

I think the rest of the world would prefer Trump actually.

10-03-2021 05:50PM

NSAman wrote: »

Aristotle,

I live in a VERY divided community IN the country.

My neighbours one side are staunch republicans, the neighbours on the other side are staunch democrats. I have no interest in politics and talk to both sides no issues at all.

I talk to many people everyday and believe me, trying to talk to people without taking sides is VERY difficult in this community. You hear everything that is being said. I work with community groups on a volunteer basis, so you hear every type of opinion, from the donors and recipients.

Currently, in my experience and discussions, confidence is not high. Obviously, with the pandemic economic issues are paramount, many businesses are closed and will never open again. It is not easy to compare and contrast the two administrations under these conditions. BUT (always a but) what you do hear are people's opinions. I can only base my experience on that.

I find it interesting the opinions on here. The complete polar ends of the spectrum. There is a vast section of the community that agree with something from both parties on issues, yet if they raise their voices they are classified as something that they are not. The silent majority is just that. Silent.

Biden has a huge mountain to climb with rebuilding this economy. His Everest though is trying to bring America (all Americans) along with him. That in my humble opinion is not going to happen. He does not have the leadership abilities for that.

I mean, you're obviously very biased by just looking at your local community. Current national confidence in Biden is higher than Trumps ever was, Covid cases are down, vaccination is happening faster than expected etc. More people have a much more positive outlook for this year compared to last year.

Here is Biden's confidence rating with regards to world affairs for example and a quick Google will show you similar graphs in all other areas.

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Rather than taking this biased viewpoint of just your nearby neighbours, look at the data on the national level and you'll see that confidence is currently very high in America.

duploelabs · 10-03-2021 05:50PM

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Restore it to what exactly? The widely loathed "might is right" imperial powerhouse bullyboy that ransacked countless countries and fomented rebellions with impunity worldwide? lol

I think the rest of the world would prefer Trump actually.

Perhaps the American president won't be laughed at when addressing the UN, that would be a start

Professor Moriarty · 10-03-2021 05:55PM

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Restore it to what exactly? The widely loathed "might is right" imperial powerhouse bullyboy that ransacked countless countries and fomented rebellions with impunity worldwide? lol

I think the rest of the world would prefer Trump actually.

Hmmm. Aside from a few Arab countries, Israel and Bolsonaro, and of course the hand in the Trump glove puppet that is Putin, which countries would prefer Trump?

NSAman · 10-03-2021 05:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I mean, you're obviously very biased by just looking at your local community. Current national confidence in Biden is higher than Trumps ever was, Covid cases are down, vaccination is happening faster than expected etc. More people have a much more positive outlook for this year compared to last year.

Here is Biden's confidence rating with regards to world affairs for example and a quick Google will show you similar graphs in all other areas.

Rather than taking this biased viewpoint of just your nearby neighbours, look at the data on the national level and you'll see that confidence is currently very high in America.

Aristotle,

Of course I am biased looking at my own community. That is where I have to live and where my reality is.

You stated you lived in American during the Trump administration. I could say that you are biased by no longer living in America????

Approval ratings mean little. Do you honestly think that vast majority of people believe these polls anymore? They have little bearing on ordinary people's experience.

New York, Los Angeles, Portland, Miami, Chicago, Washington D.C. have massive differing opinions as some of the main cities. As you must know, rural America is a different again with it's problems, it's thoughts and opinions.

With America being such a large country, opinion polls can be VERY skewed and in MY experience, don't reflect the opinion on the ground... but that is just my experience dealing with my local community.

Cody montana · 10-03-2021 06:03PM

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Restore it to what exactly? The widely loathed "might is right" imperial powerhouse bullyboy that ransacked countless countries and fomented rebellions with impunity worldwide? lol

I think the rest of the world would prefer Trump actually.

Showing leadership on climate change and protecting the environment.
Working with their allies on trade.
Following the science.
Protecting the lgbt community.
Accepting democracy.

Off the top of my head.

Quantum Baloney · 10-03-2021 06:06PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Following the science.
Protecting the lgbt community.
Accepting democracy.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry :rolleyes:

10-03-2021 06:08PM

NSAman wrote: »

You stated you lived in American during the Trump administration. I could say that you are biased by no longer living in America????

That... doesn't make sense. You are biased because you live in America. I am not biased because I am outside observer.

NSAman wrote: »

Approval ratings mean little. Do you honestly think that vast majority of people believe these polls anymore? They have little bearing on ordinary people's experience.

New York, Los Angeles, Portland, Miami, Chicago, Washington D.C. have massive differing opinions as some of the main cities. As you must know, rural America is a different again with it's problems, it's thoughts and opinions.

With America being such a large country, opinion polls can be VERY skewed and in MY experience, don't reflect the opinion on the ground... but that is just my experience dealing with my local community.

Those are ridiculous statements to make. Did you even check how that data was collected? What sampling technique were used? What the confidence interval is? Or are just rambling about stuff you don't know anything about?

Cody montana · 10-03-2021 06:12PM

Quantum Baloney wrote: »

Don't know whether to laugh or cry :rolleyes:

4 years of crying at a guess.

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