Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

CruelSummer · 10-03-2021 10:37AM

The authorities have serious questions to answer. I’ve said all along their only approach to this was to lockdown, reopen briefly and then lock down again.
We were told repeatedly we had to ‘hold firm’, ‘ we’re all in this together’ until the vaccine arrives. Yet here we are and our supplies are poor, UK and US are steaming ahead. Austria, Denmark and other European countries are thinking outside the box to try and get extra supplies. Ireland? Stay home, lockdown and keep the free money coming in.
Except it isn’t free, it will all have to be paid back and the EU fund isn’t giving us any help either due to our GDP figures despite the GNP being badly affected.
Anyone with a brain cell in government should be looking at ways to get the economy reopened this summer, vaccinate the vulnerable, and keep the rest ticking over until supply comes in. We were almost fully reopened last summer with no vaccines and all was fine for months. Travel corridors should be formed within EU and Uk to people with a vaccine or negative PCR to help our economy and tourist industry.
For April, the 5k should be immediately scrapped and non essential retail reopened in some form. Enough hiding under the bed trying to ‘stay safe’. The amount of young, non covid related deaths I’ve heard of anecdotally in the last few weeks will be far more if a concern if it transpires into national figures.

Golfman64 · 10-03-2021 10:39AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

The authorities have serious questions to answer. I’ve said all along their only approach to this was to lockdown, reopen briefly and then lock down again.
We were told repeatedly we had to ‘hold firm’, ‘ we’re all in this together’ until the vaccine arrives. Yet here we are and our supplies are poor, UK and US are steaming ahead. Austria, Denmark and other European countries are thinking outside the box to try and get extra supplies. Ireland? Stay home, lockdown and keep the free money coming in.
Except it isn’t free, it will all have to be paid back and the EU fund isn’t giving us any help either due to our GDP figures despite the GNP being badly affected.
Anyone with a brain cell in government should be looking at ways to get the economy reopened this summer, vaccinate the vulnerable, and keep the rest ticking over until supply comes in. We were almost fully reopened last summer with no vaccines and all was fine for months. Travel corridors should be formed within EU and Uk to people with a vaccine or negative PCR to help our economy and tourist industry.
For April, the 5k should be immediately scrapped and non essential retail reopened in some form. Enough hiding under the bed trying to ‘stay safe’. The amount of young, non covid related deaths I’ve heard of anecdotally in the last few weeks will be far more if a concern if it transpires into national figures.

You're talking a lot of sense there so guaranteed none of it will be recommended by NPHET or adopted by Government. As you say, one of the more frustrating aspects is the fact that we will all be paying for this for many years to come, not just in increased taxes but ironically also in reduced investment on public service and public servants.

Windmill100000 · 10-03-2021 10:41AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

If they drop we will remain in lockdown too. That's how it has gone to date.

Last year we were dealing with the unknown. We also didnt have vaccine. I believe we will open up as infection rates drop following the vaccine rollout. Saying it wont and attempting to get people to rally up now hasn't happened and won't in my opinion.

SnuggyBear · 10-03-2021 10:42AM

Allinall wrote: »

It's actually not.

Ah right I must have imagined myself sitting at home twiddling my thumbs last year while the case numbers were on the floor.

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 10:43AM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hse-boss-paid-e420103-in-2020-1093555.html

€420k received by paul reid last year but I'm sure one of the hse defense force will be along to tell me he's worth every penny

10-03-2021 10:44AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/golf/covid-19-irish-golf-courses-endure-longest-closures-in-the-world-1.4505566?mode=amp

Another great article highlighting the complete incompetence and ineptitude of NPHET and our government in finding some intelligent nuance to restrictions.

"Across Europe most courses, like those in Scotland, are currently open and have been closed for significantly less time than Irish courses over the last year. Like Ireland, most countries allowed golf courses to reopen during May of last year but, unlike in Ireland, most of those courses have remained open since."

Government afraid of their own shadow, open air parkland of links constitutes too great a risk apparently. People walking around a densely populated urban area? Carry on. Bonkers logic, the contradictions are piling up. And NPHET cannot see beyond their own noses, ka-ching there's my comfortable salary thank you very much plebs.

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 10:52AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

*Weep* sure what's the point in earning a full salary if you can't take at least three holidays abroad annually *weep*

the one thing I love is that his actual salary is €350k but he got an extra 50k or so because he doesn't get a pension god love him

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 11:00AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

What a waste of money.

if he was some world class expert with experience and qualifications id say fair enough but he's useless. him, holohan and martin all seem to have one thing in common and that's they somehow managed to fail upwards all their careers

AdrianBalboa · 10-03-2021 11:07AM

I find it incredibly callous that people are sneering at the idea of maintaining lockdown until the vulnerable are vaccinated because they themselves have lost their jobs.

Honestly they come across as incredibly sheltered. Moaning that nobody in NPHET must have suffered because they still have their jobs, the politicians are happy out because they’re still in their jobs, the nurses are working 40 hour shifts against a rising tide but at least they have their jobs and so on. Everyone who still has their job is laughing on tops of massive piles of money at the losers who were fired because of the pandemic.

It’s a real selfish monomania by the “spoiled brats” in society. So you lost your job, so what? And you can’t go to the pub. Boo Hoo. People are losing their lives here. Almost 4,500: dead. And you think we should all be in mourning because you lost your job. Shame on you, and get over yourself.

Boggles · 10-03-2021 11:10AM

ypres5 wrote: »

if he was some world class expert with experience and qualifications

He'd still be derided by a certain cohort on here.

Windmill100000 · 10-03-2021 11:11AM

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

I find it incredibly callous that people are sneering at the idea of maintaining lockdown until the vulnerable are vaccinated because they themselves have lost their jobs.

Honestly they come across as incredibly sheltered. Moaning that nobody in NPHET must have suffered because they still have their jobs, the politicians are happy out because they’re still in their jobs, the nurses are working 40 hour shifts against a rising tide but at least they have their jobs and so on. Everyone who still has their job is laughing on tops of massive piles of money at the losers who were fired because of the pandemic.

It’s a real selfish monomania by the “spoiled brats” in society. So you lost your job, so what? And you can’t go to the pub. Boo Hoo. People are losing their lives here. Almost 4,500: dead. And you think we should all be in mourning because you lost your job. Shame on you, and get over yourself.

Agreed. And you can add to that the 'I'm alright, Jack' mantra that is used to label those still in employment.

How about we equally apply the "I'm alright, Jack' mantra to those who are young, aren't at risk, want everything opened up now and don't care that there are vulnerable people that are concerned and are at risk.

10-03-2021 11:14AM

"So you lost your job, so what."

One of the most ignorant contributions I've ever read. And that figure of 4,500 is dwarfed by the tens of thousands more who passed away from cancer and other diseases. Where's the lament for their lives, or are they less in value than Covid-related deaths. You're a disgrace to this site.

suicide_circus · 10-03-2021 11:16AM

ypres5 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/hse-boss-paid-e420103-in-2020-1093555.html

€420k received by paul reid last year but I'm sure one of the hse defense force will be along to tell me he's worth every penny

Head of the NHS on approx £190,000

AdrianBalboa · 10-03-2021 11:17AM

Windmill100000 wrote: »

Agreed. And you can add to that the 'I'm alright, Jack' mantra that is used to label those still in employment.

How about we equally apply the "I'm alright, Jack' mantra to those who are young, aren't at risk, want everything opened up now and don't care that there are vulnerable people that are concerned and are at risk.

“No risk of anyone at NPHET losing their jobs anyway.”

Yeah because we’re in the middle of a pandemic we kind of need all hands on deck in NPHET.

It’s a perfect illustration of the kind of selfish monomania I’m talking about: these commentators have lost their jobs therefore people who haven’t lost their jobs are much better off than them and don’t understand what real struggle is like. Never mind the loss of life, or the drop in the quality of life for everyone (even people working from home), the worst thing that has ever happened to me hasn’t happened to someone else therefore they’re fine. Selfish.

Windmill100000 · 10-03-2021 11:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"So you lost your job, so what."

One of the most ignorant contributions I've ever read. And that figure of 4,500 is dwarfed by the tens of thousands more who passed away from cancer and other diseases. Where's the lament for their lives, or are they less in value than Covid-related deaths. You're a disgrace to this site.

But its OK for some on here to say old people die or only x amount of people are going to get complications/die from covid? I find that incredibly ignorant.

People that lost jobs will, in all probability, work again.

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 11:22AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Head of the NHS on approx £190,000

I've already upset one of the hse defense force as you can see above they never miss a cue

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 11:26AM

Boggles wrote: »

He'd still be derided by a certain cohort on here.

he gets rightfully derided because he's utterly useless

Boggles · 10-03-2021 11:26AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I've already upset one of the hse defense force as you can see above they never miss a cue

Again, perception - reality.

The HSE is not fit for purpose and Reid looks like he showed up to the wrong interview and got the job by accident.

Neither of those things negate my point though.

Boggles · 10-03-2021 11:27AM

ypres5 wrote: »

he gets rightfully derided because he's utterly useless

Woooooooooosh!

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 11:32AM

Boggles wrote: »

Woooooooooosh!

i know what point you were making you were implying that people would criticize reid whether he was qualified or not but I beg to differ I feel most criticisms of the government and hse are valid

Monster249 · 10-03-2021 11:33AM

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

I find it incredibly callous that people are sneering at the idea of maintaining lockdown until the vulnerable are vaccinated because they themselves have lost their jobs.

Honestly they come across as incredibly sheltered. Moaning that nobody in NPHET must have suffered because they still have their jobs, the politicians are happy out because they’re still in their jobs, the nurses are working 40 hour shifts against a rising tide but at least they have their jobs and so on. Everyone who still has their job is laughing on tops of massive piles of money at the losers who were fired because of the pandemic.

It’s a real selfish monomania by the “spoiled brats” in society. So you lost your job, so what? And you can’t go to the pub. Boo Hoo. People are losing their lives here. Almost 4,500: dead. And you think we should all be in mourning because you lost your job. Shame on you, and get over yourself.

Every day I come on here and every day, without fail, there is someone more deluded who is completely oblivious to everything besides the daily death count they see on the 6 o'clock news.

Have that opinion if you wish but don't dare spite others for not being a mindless sheep.

FintanMcluskey · 10-03-2021 11:34AM

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

I find it incredibly callous that people are sneering at the idea of maintaining lockdown until the vulnerable are vaccinated because they themselves have lost their jobs.

Honestly they come across as incredibly sheltered. Moaning that nobody in NPHET must have suffered because they still have their jobs, the politicians are happy out because they’re still in their jobs, the nurses are working 40 hour shifts against a rising tide but at least they have their jobs and so on. Everyone who still has their job is laughing on tops of massive piles of money at the losers who were fired because of the pandemic.

It’s a real selfish monomania by the “spoiled brats” in society. So you lost your job, so what? And you can’t go to the pub. Boo Hoo. People are losing their lives here. Almost 4,500: dead. And you think we should all be in mourning because you lost your job. Shame on you, and get over yourself.

Talk about arrogance and irony rolled into a wall of nonsense.

30,000 odd thousand people died last year, every single one of them were preventable deaths that are now gone forever

Boggles · 10-03-2021 11:36AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

30,000 odd thousand people died last year, every single one of them were preventable deaths that are now gone forever

That is just absolute bonkers. That is jumped the fence and miles up the field bonkers.

Monster249 · 10-03-2021 11:38AM

Boggles wrote: »

That is just absolute bonkers. That is jumped the fence and miles up the field bonkers.

If you apply the same logic that the previous idiot used, that logic holds true.

Every death is preventable, if not by staying in your house, by making lifestyle changes 15 years previous.

Boggles · 10-03-2021 11:40AM

ypres5 wrote: »

i know what point you were making you were implying that people would criticize reid whether he was qualified or not but I beg to differ I feel most criticisms of the government and hse are valid

We have had far more qualified and experienced individuals derided by a certain cohort on here because they don't subscribe to 'ignore' as a solid method of pandemic control.

So I'm afraid I'll have to concede to that reality and disagree.

FintanMcluskey · 10-03-2021 11:41AM

Boggles wrote: »

That is just absolute bonkers. That is jumped the fence and miles up the field bonkers.

I’m trying to follow the logic here.

Most deaths from each year occur above life expectancy with serious underlying illness, most deaths from Covid are from the same demographic

So if a Covid death is preventable, isn’t every death??

Or will a particular cohort of virtue signallers be ok when a different cause is on a death cert in future?

Boggles · 10-03-2021 11:45AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m trying to follow the logic here.

Most deaths from each year occur above life expectancy with serious underlying illness, most deaths from Covid are from the same demographic

So if a Covid death is preventable, isn’t every death??

Or will a particular cohort of virtue signallers be ok when a different cause is on a death cert in future?

12 months in and if you are still judging the pandemic solely on mortality, you probably at this stage won't get it, TBH.

Again Western Capitalism didn't partially crash itself to be "virtue signallers".

Maybe form that as a solid base to reinvent in your musings.

francogarbanzo · 10-03-2021 11:53AM

Boggles wrote: »

12 months in and if you are still judging the pandemic solely on mortality, you probably at this stage won't get it, TBH.

Again Western Capitalism didn't partially crash itself to be "virtue signallers".

Maybe form that as a solid base to reinvent in your musings.

"Western Capitalism" didn't crash itself. Western governments placed restrictions on individuals from engaging in commerce.

ypres5 · 10-03-2021 11:54AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’m trying to follow the logic here.

Most deaths from each year occur above life expectancy with serious underlying illness, most deaths from Covid are from the same demographic

So if a Covid death is preventable, isn’t every death??

Or will a particular cohort of virtue signallers be ok when a different cause is on a death cert in future?

god knows how these people are going to react when people keep dying after they get their vaccine like they have every year since the dawn of time

Boggles · 10-03-2021 11:58AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

"Western Capitalism" didn't crash itself. Western governments placed restrictions on individuals from engaging in commerce.

That's the same thing. As those governments hang their hats on capitalism.

But again they didn't do it for the crack! Or to garner likes on Facebook which seems to be the overall thinking among-st an extremely tiny minority cohort who cannot even this far in process the reality of what is happening.

It's why we now have to listen to non sensible dribble like we will never open fully again to prevent all death.

It's not even anchored to planet earth, but people believe it.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings