Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Boggles

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yes they do. They updated the advice on the implementation and lifting of various levels of restrictions a while ago now and it's not simply based on a 5% positivity rate anymore. Not sure why no one seems to have noticed though

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/considerations-in-adjusting-public-health-and-social-measures-in-the-context-of-covid-19-interim-guidance

4th of November?

The document is basically archaic.

Also no one is listening to the WHO anymore, the odd lip service is paid out of politeness, but that is about it.

Monster249

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You're far too negative all the time. All negativity. How about some positivity?

The vaccines are rolling out. Progress is being made and hopefully, as I say, level 4 in to summer and level 2 or 3 by the end of the year. :cool:

You just need to be more patient.

Your posts would lead one to assume your life actually improves with restrictions. That makes me feel bad for you.

Telling people to be patient when their livelyhoods are being ruined by inept leadership reeks of pure ignorance as to what's actually going on.

Kermit.de.frog

Monster249 wrote: »

Your posts would lead one to assume your life actually improves with restrictions. That makes me feel bad for you.

Telling people to be patient when their livelyhoods are being ruined by inept leadership reeks of pure ignorance as to what's actually going on.

If some are not going to be patient they'll just drive themselves crazy because there is only one way out, that's the vaccines and they have to work.

So I see no point being in denial.

I'd rather be optimistic.

Monster249

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If some are not going to be patient they'll just drive themselves crazy because there is only one way out, that's the vaccines and they have to work.

So I see no point being in denial.

I'd rather be optimistic.

Lockdown until everyone is vaccinated isn't an option. The country is hemorrhaging money and they know this.

It's easy to be optimistic when your life isn't affected in any meaningful way. Telling people to have the same delirious optimism you have is just annoying.

Kermit.de.frog

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Kermit.de.frog

Monster249 wrote: »

Lockdown until everyone is vaccinated isn't an option. The country is hemorrhaging money and they know this.

It's easy to be optimistic when your life isn't affected in any meaningful way. Telling people to have the same delirious optimism you have is just annoying.

I see this all the time. Not true.

Some want to create bogeymen to buttress their arguments.

That one is absolutely not true in my case anyway.

If we open too early it will be Christmas all over again with the same consequences in my opinion.

monkeybutter

why do people think we wont get the same drops we had last summer

showpony1

Down to 311 Cases, we should be opening things up for Paddy's day.

BringBackMick

showpony1 wrote: »

Down to 311 Cases, we should be opening things up for Paddy's day.

A meaningful Paddys Day is the least we deserve.

Kermit.de.frog

monkeybutter wrote: »

why do people think we wont get the same drops we had last summer

If you look at the history of the waves of this virus for most countries/US states it has been most severe in winter however in some places it's been most acute at the height of summer (Arizona, California, Texas and Florida for example).

It has never disappeared anywhere in summer and for most last summer was coming off lockdowns.

There is not much to suggest a cap is put on transmission just because it's summer. It helps the hospitals because of the lack of winter illnesses.

This is why it's vital to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible.

Monster249

Monster249 wrote: »

Lockdown until everyone is vaccinated isn't an option. The country is hemorrhaging money and they know this.

It's easy to be optimistic when your life isn't affected in any meaningful way. Telling people to have the same delirious optimism you have is just annoying.

Glib jargon such as "we're all in this together" and "suck it up" betrays pure tunnel vision. I'm alright Jack, so should you now get on with it etc. These imbeciles would happily witness the economy falter because they're saving more in a pandemic, ultimately their opinion is entirely worthless.

monkeybutter

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

If you look at the history of the waves of this virus for most countries/US states it has been most severe in winter however in some places it's been most acute at the height of summer (Arizona, California, Texas and Florida for example).

It has never disappeared anywhere in summer and for most last summer was coming off lockdowns.

There is not much to suggest a cap is put on transmission just because it's summer. It helps the hospitals because of the lack of winter illnesses.

This is why it's vital to vaccinate as many people as quickly as possible.

in fairness it did basically go away in the summer in all those places

it was almost entirely flat post the first lockdown

texas california etc all way more acute in the winter

some had a later first wave for sure and obviously summer to winter in Florida etc are much the same and they never took it seriously so it never really been knocked down to a low number

blowitupref

Boggles wrote: »

We also had 100% of construction open.

Closed schools is a restriction, reopening schools is the easing of restrictions.

I doubt even the WHO would argue that one.

The easing thus far and early next week is from level 5+ to level 5.

Next step is level 4 restrictions and looking at the key metrics we are on track for that in a matter of weeks.

wakka12

What do people think will happen Paddy's day. Will there be a big blowout, not necessarily angry protests (think we know that won't happen in Ireland ,ever) or anything but at least a widespread middle finger to restrictions and a wakeup call to the government that there is no point in such limiting restrictions when many begin to completely disobey them.

I was actually in favour of lockdown until relatively recently but I have to say a bit of panic is setting in now especially after that link posted about Ireland having 3rd highest debt in the world, an a seemingly apathetic population and a government happy to sit twiddling their thumbs until ..who knows when. I mistakenly thought there would be a bit more ambition to end this as soon as possible and an actual desire to reach some end goal but I really can't rationalise this current situation in any way, it is like a bad dream at this stage. I think I really hedged my bets wrongly that this government had any competent vision. It really is scary that it looks like we will just be sitting in this limbo for such a long time into the foreseeable and with nothing to show for it, and just hardly anybody seems to be outwardly opposing it at all which is the strangest thing of all. Couldn't sleep last night thinking about how much damage this lockdown is going to cause by the time this snails pace vaccine rollout is complete.

PTH2009

Planning on going for a few takeaway pints on paddys day but have a feeling the guards will be snooping around everywhere that day. I know there's no law forbidding it but nothing stopping them enforcing some make shift rule for the day that's in it

monkeybutter

PTH2009 wrote: »

Planning on going for a few takeaway pints on paddys day but have a feeling the guards will be snooping around everywhere that day. I know there's no law forbidding it but nothing stopping them enforcing some make shift rule for the day that's in it

would a bag of cans and a fight not do ya

TonyMaloney

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1369364963777732614?s=20

FintanMcluskey

TonyMaloney wrote: »

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1369364963777732614?s=20

Conspiracy forum is best for this stuff

TonyMaloney

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Conspiracy forum is best for this stuff

Yes, it's a shadowy elite IT hiccup

showpony1

Knowing we are at 311 Cases on 9th March and we already know that in early April they are only at max looking at relaxing 5km, Construction & outdoor sports/activities is very grim.

Penfailed

growleaves wrote: »

Peter Mandelson said if you want something to stick in people's minds you have to keep repeating it past the point where you're sick of doing so.

Haha! Cheers for the advice!

Ray Donovan

showpony1 wrote: »

Knowing we are at 311 Cases on 9th March and we already know that in early April they are only at max looking at relaxing 5km, Construction & outdoor sports/activities is very grim.

Grim? It’s a disgrace.

FintanMcluskey

wakka12 wrote: »

What do people think will happen Paddy's day. Will there be a big blowout, not necessarily angry protests (think we know that won't happen in Ireland ,ever) or anything but at least a widespread middle finger to restrictions and a wakeup call to the government that there is no point in such limiting restrictions when many begin to completely disobey them.

I was actually in favour of lockdown until relatively recently but I have to say a bit of panic is setting in now especially after that link posted about Ireland having 3rd highest debt in the world, an a seemingly apathetic population and a government happy to sit twiddling their thumbs until ..who knows when. I mistakenly thought there would be a bit more ambition to end this as soon as possible and an actual desire to reach some end goal but I really can't rationalise this current situation in any way, it is like a bad dream at this stage. I think I really hedged my bets wrongly that this government had any competent vision. It really is scary that it looks like we will just be sitting in this limbo for such a long time into the foreseeable and with nothing to show for it, and just hardly anybody seems to be outwardly opposing it at all which is the strangest thing of all. Couldn't sleep last night thinking about how much damage this lockdown is going to cause by the time this snails pace vaccine rollout is complete.

The biggest concern is that our fictitious GDP is preventing us accessing the required amount of the EU recovery fund, ie our books look better than they are

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/gdp-effect-means-ireland-will-lose-on-eu-aid-donohoe-40100717.html

IRELAND will get less European Union funding to recover from Covid-19 than other member states because of the inflated size of the economy due to the use gross domestic product (GDP) as a measure.

The so-called "Leprechaun economics" effect means Ireland will be spending EU funds on a smaller scale and in a more "targeted" way, Paschal Donohoe has said.

The problem is further compounded by the fact the GNP an ,accurate economic metric, is one of the hardest hit in the EU. Well it was before lockdown 2 in October and now further compounded by the global outlier of lockdown 3.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thejournal.ie/pandemic-lockdown-economic-forecast-5226321-Oct2020/%3famp=1

The value added to the Irish economy by construction activity fell by 38% in the first six months of the year as a result of the pandemic-related shutdown measures. This represents the worst decline in Europe.

I don’t think every country is as deep in this as Ireland is

Explains it here also
https://www.ft.com/content/2a23d1a5-d8c4-448a-9782-6ccf3bb4d7b1

Penfailed

PTH2009 wrote: »

Planning on going for a few takeaway pints on paddys day but have a feeling the guards will be snooping around everywhere that day. I know there's no law forbidding it but nothing stopping them enforcing some make shift rule for the day that's in it

You're making stuff up...again.

EmmetSpiceland

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Glib jargon such as "we're all in this together" and "suck it up" betrays pure tunnel vision. I'm alright Jack, so should you now get on with it etc. These imbeciles would happily witness the economy falter because they're saving more in a pandemic, ultimately their opinion is entirely worthless.

Hang on, weren’t you giving it the “I’m alright Jacques” when you were getting, under the counter, bottles of beer sans substantial meal when the gastro pubs were open?

hynesie08

Penfailed wrote: »

You're making stuff up...again.

Are you sure Tony holohan won't be wandering the streets of waterford on St patricks day, knocking pints out of hands while forcing people to join him in the rosary?

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

Are you sure Tony holohan won't be wandering the streets of waterford on St patricks day, knocking pints out of hands while forcing people to join him in the rosary?

Id prefer that to the scum thats around the streets these days

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Id prefer that to the scum thats around the streets these days

And yet you want the gardai to allow open drinking on the streets? Make your mind up.

JDxtra

wakka12 wrote: »

I was actually in favour of lockdown until relatively recently but I have to say a bit of panic is setting in now especially after that link posted about Ireland having 3rd highest debt in the world, an a seemingly apathetic population and a government happy to sit twiddling their thumbs until ..who knows when. I mistakenly thought there would be a bit more ambition to end this as soon as possible and an actual desire to reach some end goal but I really can't rationalise this current situation in any way, it is like a bad dream at this stage. I think I really hedged my bets wrongly that this government had any competent vision. It really is scary that it looks like we will just be sitting in this limbo for such a long time into the foreseeable and with nothing to show for it, and just hardly anybody seems to be outwardly opposing it at all which is the strangest thing of all. Couldn't sleep last night thinking about how much damage this lockdown is going to cause by the time this snails pace vaccine rollout is complete.

Welcome. We need more people to come around. Far too many still happy enough with the lockdown situation - either due to it not impacting them financially or due to them being scared out of their wits by NPHET, RTE and the rest of the 'clickbait / fear factor' media.

Graham

JDxtra wrote: »

Welcome. We need more people to come around. Far too many still happy enough with the lockdown situation - either due to it not impacting them financially or due to them being scared out of their wits by NPHET, RTE and the rest of the 'clickbait / fear factor' media.

I guess it could be that.

Or it could be people understand how a respiratory virus spreads and why it might be a good idea to stop that. :rolleyes: