Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

_Kaiser_ · 09-03-2021 07:15PM

What the last year has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt is the reason why this country has such weak governance, inefficient services, waste and corruption everywhere...

A significant percentage of the population are compliant, cowed and happy to abdicate any sort of national responsibility or decisions to "their betters".

It's why we have a Government made up of weak, ineffective, but equally greedy and self-centred politicians, unaccountable civil servants and public bodies, and very little return for not just our taxes but our part of the social contract. Those of us who take issues with such things have very little way to protest or address it.

It's a real problem that is only going to get worse - paticularly as the influence of Europe increases now that the UK has left.

09-03-2021 07:23PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1369052409859895305

Well it seems hard to refute any longer, it is becoming increasingly evident that there is a significant amount of the population who are not just accepting but supportive of restrictions of varying severity continuing indefinitely without any strong reason for them to be there, and really no positive news is going to change their minds. By the time significantly more than 50% of the population are vaccineted, hospitalisations will be negligent, and deaths will be almost zero, and the population is well aware of that. It is simply impossible to justify the response in the poll above unless RTE coverage of the pandemic has seriously driven sanity off the deep end even among young people , but I think the only explanation is unfortunately that many people are prioritising whatever convenience/personal benefits gained during restrictions in favour of reopening of society, ignorant or inconsiderate of the impact it will have on so many other people.

A less palatable explanation is that the average Irish IQ is 96, meaning half of all Irish people are even dumber than that.

Penfailed · 09-03-2021 07:25PM

Klonker wrote: »

Which country was that?

The one north of the border.

Boggles · 09-03-2021 07:27PM

Always_Running wrote: »

One of thresholds for easing restrictions according to The WHO is two weeks of a positivity rate of 5% or lower in testing

7-day day positivity is 3.8% today last Tuesday it was 4.2%

We just did ease restrictions and will continue to do so on Monday.

growleaves · 09-03-2021 07:27PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The one north of the border.

That doesn't answer his question since you haven't said which border this country is north of.

Penfailed · 09-03-2021 07:33PM

growleaves wrote: »

That doesn't answer his question since you haven't said which border this country is north of.

The border in Ireland. I've said repeatedly in this thread that the north have had 'wet' pubs closed for longer than ours. It's roundly ignored.

Always_Running · 09-03-2021 07:35PM

Boggles wrote: »

We just did ease restrictions and will continue to do so on Monday.

Easing as in the terms of moving into level 4 restrictions. We had schools open in level 5 restrictions in October, November.

growleaves · 09-03-2021 07:40PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The border in Ireland. I've said repeatedly in this thread that the north have had 'wet' pubs closed for longer than ours. It's roundly ignored.

Though you are completely correct it makes no impression on people if the only country more restrictive than Ireland is a tiny statelet on the same island which also has 'Ireland' in its name.

TonyMaloney · 09-03-2021 07:42PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Easing as in the terms of moving into level 4 restrictions. We had schools open in level 5 restrictions in October, November.

The WHO doesn't mention levels or what restrictions should be lifted first.

Besides, that advice which wasn't great in the first place, is for the old variant. It's completely out of date now.

PTH2009 · 09-03-2021 07:46PM

Felt a little hopeful yesterday but not feeling so today esp with NPHET been left decide the future

We can't be opening with all the Variants around esp the ones that have not been discovered yet and the possibility of the hospitals and health care workers been overrun once again is still there (then why didn't the HSE and government fix that issue which was one of the main reasons for lockdown). The Vaccine is still not enough

****ing hate this country

Kermit.de.frog · 09-03-2021 07:55PM

Restrictions will be eased as soon as sufficient numbers are vaccinated and this is seen to have worked in hospitals and the ICUs.

I don't see why some are getting so flustered.

Things will be relaxed when it's safe to do so.

Seems a reasonable approach to me and I imagine most.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-03-2021 07:58PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Micheál on the news smiling like a simp applauding the vaccine rollout despite it being an absolute unmerciful disaster. Did he hit his head recently or??

And whose fault is it that it's a disaster?

The EU commission.

Nothing to do with the govt. Although they should go sourcing supplies themselves.

But the blame lies in the first instance with the commission.

FintanMcluskey · 09-03-2021 08:04PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Restrictions will be eased as soon as sufficient numbers are vaccinated and this is seen to have worked in hospitals and the ICUs.

I don't see why some are getting so flustered.

Things will be relaxed when it's safe to do so.

Seems a reasonable approach to me and I imagine most.

8000 homes less will be constructed this year due to Ireland deciding it’s unsafe to continue construction, something no other country in the globe has done.

It’s not even guaranteed to restart in April

It sounds to me that many with this attitude are onboard and complete safe and dry.

The ladder is cut and no consideration is given to those drowning

If not, the lack of foresight is baffling

monkeybutter · 09-03-2021 08:05PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

What the last year has shown beyond a shadow of a doubt is the reason why this country has such weak governance, inefficient services, waste and corruption everywhere...

A significant percentage of the population are compliant, cowed and happy to abdicate any sort of national responsibility or decisions to "their betters".

It's why we have a Government made up of weak, ineffective, but equally greedy and self-centred politicians, unaccountable civil servants and public bodies, and very little return for not just our taxes but our part of the social contract. Those of us who take issues with such things have very little way to protest or address it.

It's a real problem that is only going to get worse - paticularly as the influence of Europe increases now that the UK has left.

throw your hat in the ring, otherwise you are the problem

Penfailed · 09-03-2021 08:05PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Felt a little hopeful yesterday but not feeling so today esp with NPHET been left decide the future

We can't be opening with all the Variants around esp the ones that have not been discovered yet and the possibility of the hospitals and health care workers been overrun once again is still there (then why didn't the HSE and government fix that issue which was one of the main reasons for lockdown). The Vaccine is still not enough

****ing hate this country

Yet more negative thoughts from PTH2009. My advice would be to ignore the briefings and avoid the media with regard to Covid. You're even making stuff up again to bring the misery on yourself. 'We can't be opening because of variants that haven't been discovered yet?!'

Klonker · 09-03-2021 08:06PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Restrictions will be eased as soon as sufficient numbers are vaccinated and this is seen to have worked in hospitals and the ICUs.

I don't see why some are getting so flustered.

Things will be relaxed when it's safe to do so.

Seems a reasonable approach to me and I imagine most.

Depends what you determine as 'safe'. Also restrictions shouldnt all be lifted at once when 'safe' to avoid what happened at Christmas. They should be lifted gradually in stages when each stage is 'safe' to do so. I think it's safe to move to county wide restrictions from early April, all construction back, all schools back and hairdressers back and I assume most would see this as a reasonable approach.

ceadaoin. · 09-03-2021 08:06PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

The WHO doesn't mention levels or what restrictions should be lifted first.

Besides, that advice which wasn't great in the first place, is for the old variant. It's completely out of date now.

Yes they do. They updated the advice on the implementation and lifting of various levels of restrictions a while ago now and it's not simply based on a 5% positivity rate anymore. Not sure why no one seems to have noticed though

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/considerations-in-adjusting-public-health-and-social-measures-in-the-context-of-covid-19-interim-guidance

Penfailed · 09-03-2021 08:08PM

growleaves wrote: »

Though you are completely correct it makes no impression on people if the only country more restrictive than Ireland is a tiny statelet on the same island which also has 'Ireland' in its name.

Ah, just ignore facts then so? The restrictions thread never changes.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-03-2021 08:09PM

Klonker wrote: »

Depends what you determine as 'safe'. Also restrictions shouldnt all be lifted at once when 'safe' to avoid what happened at Christmas. They should be lifted gradually in stages when each stage is 'safe' to do so. I think it's safe to move to county wide restrictions from early April, all construction back, all schools back and hairdressers back and I assume most would see this as a reasonable approach.

Didn't say "lifted", I said eased.

I still expect us to be level 2 or 3 by October/November.

manofwisdom · 09-03-2021 08:09PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Restrictions will be eased as soon as sufficient numbers are vaccinated and this is seen to have worked in hospitals and the ICUs.

I don't see why some are getting so flustered.

Things will be relaxed when it's safe to do so.

Seems a reasonable approach to me and I imagine most.

Not about getting flustered. Our current progress continues as it is it will be safe to move into level 4 restrictions on April 5th. Moving into level 2, 1 will depend on the success of vaccine roll out.

ingo1984 · 09-03-2021 08:10PM

Always_Running wrote: »

One of thresholds for easing restrictions according to The WHO is two weeks of a positivity rate of 5% or lower in testing

7-day day positivity is 3.8% today last Tuesday it was 4.2%

The WHO also that advise long term lockdowns cause more harm than good. Our government cherry pick what advice to follow as long as it supports their narrative of strict lockdown.

Hellrazer · 09-03-2021 08:11PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Yes they do. They updated the advice on the lifting of restrictions a while ago now and it's not simply based on a 5% positivity rate anymore. Not sure why no one seems to have noticed though

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/considerations-in-adjusting-public-health-and-social-measures-in-the-context-of-covid-19-interim-guidance

Ah stop-Our government knows more than WHO. They`d never go along with something that St Tony doesn't approve of!!!

normanoffside · 09-03-2021 08:11PM

Penfailed wrote: »

The one north of the border.

With the small caveat that they were allowed to serve ‘alcohol only’ to people sitting outdoors.
I know many pubs were open all summer with tents and other structures in the car parks or gardens serving pints only.

growleaves · 09-03-2021 08:12PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Ah, just ignore facts then so? The restrictions thread never changes.

Peter Mandelson said if you want something to stick in people's minds you have to keep repeating it past the point where you're sick of doing so.

ingo1984 · 09-03-2021 08:12PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Restrictions will be eased as soon as sufficient numbers are vaccinated and this is seen to have worked in hospitals and the ICUs.

I don't see why some are getting so flustered.

Things will be relaxed when it's safe to do so.

Seems a reasonable approach to me and I imagine most.

Nphet stated they don't want to ease restrictions until hospital waiting lists have decreased.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-03-2021 08:12PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

8000 homes less will be constructed this year due to Ireland deciding it’s unsafe to continue construction, something no other country in the globe has done.

It’s not even guaranteed to restart in April

It sounds to me that many with this attitude are onboard and complete safe and dry.

The ladder is cut and no consideration is given to those drowning

If not, the lack of foresight is baffling

You're far too negative all the time. All negativity. How about some positivity?

The vaccines are rolling out. Progress is being made and hopefully, as I say, level 4 in to summer and level 2 or 3 by the end of the year. :cool:

You just need to be more patient.

ceadaoin. · 09-03-2021 08:14PM

ingo1984 wrote: »

Nphet stated they don't want to ease restrictions until hospital waiting lists have decreased.

Hang on wasn't there a waiting list of 800,000 back in July? That will take an awful long time to decrease, unless they are just waiting for a lot of those people to die I guess, which will happen if they can't access treatment. Once covid doesnt get them that's all that matters.

Necro · 09-03-2021 08:14PM

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Boggles · 09-03-2021 08:21PM

Always_Running wrote: »

Easing as in the terms of moving into level 4 restrictions. We had schools open in level 5 restrictions in October, November.

We also had 100% of construction open.

Closed schools is a restriction, reopening schools is the easing of restrictions.

I doubt even the WHO would argue that one.

Klonker · 09-03-2021 08:23PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Didn't say "lifted", I said eased.

I still expect us to be level 2 or 3 by October/November.

I think we'll have all pubs and restaurants opened by end of July, maybe even earlier. Not sure what level that is but assume about level 2.

Almost all adults who want a vaccine should have at least a first dose by then. Numbers are currently plummeting even with less adherence to the rules. Last summer we didn't have too much restrictions and no vaccines and numbers stayed very low.

As I said before, the England reopening will be very interesting. If all goes well most countries will have no reason but to follow their plan.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings