Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

TonyMaloney · 09-03-2021 03:08PM

PeterPan92 wrote: »

Level 3 worked. People were able to go out enough that it was beneficial for mental health, while not having the huge impact on numbers that Level 2 during December.

Nah sorry, but you have it wrong. We were also at level 3 for December.

The idea that any level simply works or doesn't work is false anyway.
The messaging that goes along with changes in levels is equally if not more important. Certainly when the restrictions are unenforced, as opposed to enforced via closure.
And then there's other important factors such as weather to consider too.

There's no perfect set of restrictions. It's a fluid situation.

PeterPan92 · 09-03-2021 03:12PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Nah sorry, but you have it wrong. We were also at level 3 for December.

The idea that any level simply works or doesn't work is false anyway.
The messaging that goes along with changes in levels is equally if not more important. Certainly when the restrictions are unenforced, as opposed to enforced via closure.
And then there's other important factors such as weather to consider too.

There's no perfect set of restrictions. It's a fluid situation.

Well, something has to give come April 5th. People aren't going to go along with this indefinitely. They have no plan for reopening, no structure like the UK have. Just "stay in lockdown for another 5 weeks and we will reassess".

If this goes on, those idiots protesting will keep on doing so, and I fear that they will gain more support. We need structure and hope now, not a neverending groundhog day.

Russman · 09-03-2021 03:13PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We did, but it was pretty short lived. If we do the same this summer, but earlier, I'll personally be happy enough.

I agree, and I think it will be much "better" this summer than last year tbh, with no sting in the tail autumn wave.

Boggles · 09-03-2021 03:15PM

More than 100,000 have died of Covid-19 in Italy

Italy's coronavirus death toll passed the 100,000 mark on Monday and Prime Minister Mario Draghi warned that the situation was worsening again with a jump in hospitalisations. Italy is the seventh country in the world to reach the bleak milestone, following the United States, Brazil, Mexico, India, Russia and Britain

Lockdown by next week? These are the new Covid restrictions Italy is considering

growleaves · 09-03-2021 03:20PM

PeterPan92 wrote: »

Well, something has to give come April 5th. People aren't going to go along with this indefinitely. They have no plan for reopening, no structure like the UK have. Just "stay in lockdown for another 5 weeks and we will reassess".

If this goes on, those idiots protesting will keep on doing so, and I fear that they will gain more support. We need structure and hope now, not a neverending groundhog day.

We went to Level 3 for three weeks and supporters of restrictions have been dining out on it ever since.

There's talk of more lockdowns this Autumn and into 2022.

I have no doubt that restrictionists will be using 3-5 weeks of Level 3 in mid-summer to try to justify another half-year of Level 5 and the cancellation of next Christmas.

If the strategy is maxmium lock-up, maximum indebtedness and zero flexibility then yes of course people are going to object and protest.

TonyMaloney · 09-03-2021 03:23PM

PeterPan92 wrote: »

Well, something has to give come April 5th. People aren't going to go along with this indefinitely. They have no plan for reopening, no structure like the UK have. Just "stay in lockdown for another 5 weeks and we will reassess".

If this goes on, those idiots protesting will keep on doing so, and I fear that they will gain more support. We need structure and hope now, not a neverending groundhog day.

I completely understand your sentiment, but unfortunately we're leading the way when it comes to figuring out how best to deal with the B117 variant.
There are not many countries we can learn from, so we have to proceed very cautiously.

At the moment we're testing the waters with schools. If that goes well (or if it goes well in England), then I think they can start to be a little more forthcoming with plans and dates.

FintanMcluskey · 09-03-2021 03:27PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

The czech republic is one of those strange ones I alluded to earlier this month when I calculated the death rate as a % of the entire population and over 65s

They have 10.65 million and an adult population over 65 of 2.1m

Theyve had 22,000 death - 92.4 % of them in over 65s which is 20328 deaths in over 65s.

Their % of the population as a % of the lot has a death rate of 0.2% - elsewhere its 0.08%

In over 65s its 0.95% of the over 65s have died - elsewhere its 0.52 - 0.6%

When you look at it this way they are in a fairly bad state.

They do have very high male obesity rates, the most dangerous conditions for Covid complications. That may have an impact, but it wouldn’t explain the massive death rate

https://content.sciendo.com/configurable/contentpage/journals$002fcejpp$002fahead-of-print$002farticle-10.2478-cejpp-2019-00010$002farticle-10.2478-cejpp-2019-00010.xml

The Czech Republic has a significant and increasing trend in BMI and obesity for both men and women, which is shown in Figure 2. Men have much higher level of BMI in comparison to other groups of European countries, whereas BMI of women is comparable to that of those in Estonia and Slovenia (East)

In 2015, the obesity rate for Czech men is 35%, which is almost twice as higher as that for men in Italy and Spain (South) and more than 50% higher than that for men in West.

Penfailed · 09-03-2021 03:29PM

Klonker wrote: »

Only one metric but did any other EU country not open pubs at all last summer? For some reason I doubt it. During the same period Ireland had some of the lowest covid rates in the EU.

One other European 'country' didn't open pubs last summer. In fact their 'wet' pubs have been closed for longer than ours.

PTH2009 · 09-03-2021 03:31PM

Saw a clip of MM RTE interview and as per usual the easing is down to NPHET advice and we know that won't want to much easing

Russman · 09-03-2021 03:38PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Saw a clip of MM RTE interview and as per usual the easing is down to NPHET advice and we know that won't want to much easing

I dunno, to be fair the last good number of NPHET briefings have been very positive. I think we might be surprised what opens in April.

PTH2009 · 09-03-2021 03:45PM

Russman wrote: »

I dunno, to be fair the last good number of NPHET briefings have been very positive. I think we might be surprised what opens in April.

Dr Tony has to come back and we all knw the massive impact he made upon his first return. Personally think he should step down due to his personal situation

the kelt · 09-03-2021 03:49PM

Russman wrote: »

I dunno, to be fair the last good number of NPHET briefings have been very positive. I think we might be surprised what opens in April.

We might even end up with a flip where NPHET are the optimistic ones and the Government are there "oh i dont know now!"

Elessar · 09-03-2021 03:58PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Dr Tony has to come back and we all knw the massive impact he made upon his first return. Personally think he should step down due to his personal situation

NAIL > HEAD

Just wait until headmaster Tony gets back. There will be a noticeable change of tone towards more restrictions, less positivity. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if he immediately changed NPHETs tack to maximum level 5 until May/June.

Klonker · 09-03-2021 04:22PM

Penfailed wrote: »

One other European 'country' didn't open pubs last summer. In fact their 'wet' pubs have been closed for longer than ours.

Which country was that?

JDxtra · 09-03-2021 04:39PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Saw a clip of MM RTE interview and as per usual the easing is down to NPHET advice and we know that won't want to much easing

MM is such a weak leader. Total waste of space. Only covering his own rear end.

lee_baby_simms · 09-03-2021 04:55PM

JDxtra wrote: »

MM is such a weak leader. Total waste of space. Only covering his own rear end.

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OwenM · 09-03-2021 04:57PM

JDxtra wrote: »

MM is such a weak leader. Total waste of space. Only covering his own rear end.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinio...-31005407.html

"He too was accused of being indecisive as a minister, ordering too many reports.
It emerged in 2004 that more than €30m was spent by Martin on 115 reports while he was at the Department of Health.
Martin was accused of wasting millions in taxpayers' money after the figures were confirmed by the Health Minister, Ms Harney."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36479981.html

"former Fianna Fáil minister Pat Carey said of Martin's last term in government: "He can't make a decision, and won't make a decision, and he analyses everything to the point of almost having to bring in a consultant to analyse his analysis.""

OwenM · 09-03-2021 05:05PM

OwenM wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinio...-31005407.html

"He too was accused of being indecisive as a minister, ordering too many reports.
It emerged in 2004 that more than €30m was spent by Martin on 115 reports while he was at the Department of Health.
Martin was accused of wasting millions in taxpayers' money after the figures were confirmed by the Health Minister, Ms Harney."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...-36479981.html

"former Fianna Fáil minister Pat Carey said of Martin's last term in government: "He can't make a decision, and won't make a decision, and he analyses everything to the point of almost having to bring in a consultant to analyse his analysis.""

48 months as Minister for health, 115 reports. That's around one report every 6 weeks, throwing wheelbarrow loads of taxpayers money at consultancies just so he can avoid making a decision and when one does have to be made it is someone else's fault. He's pathetic.

TomTomTim · 09-03-2021 05:26PM

This was amazingly accurate

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1369299906586935302

If you posted this anywhere last year, you'd be meet with howls of: "nonsense", "lunatic", "conspiracy theorist". The man on the street is nearly always wiser than all the supposed intellectuals who are slaves to the opinions of "experts"

TonyMaloney · 09-03-2021 05:47PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

This was amazingly accurate

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1369299906586935302

If you posted this anywhere last year, you'd be meet with howls of: "nonsense", "lunatic", "conspiracy theorist". The man on the street is nearly always wiser than all the supposed intellectuals who are slaves to the opinions of "experts"

So it's a global conspiracy to stop us working, and thereby become...

*checks notes*

...slaves?

Boggles · 09-03-2021 05:51PM

TomTomTim wrote: »

This was amazingly accurate

https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1369299906586935302

If you posted this anywhere last year, you'd be meet with howls of: "nonsense", "lunatic", "conspiracy theorist". The man on the street is nearly always wiser than all the supposed intellectuals who are slaves to the opinions of "experts"

Another advert for why long term steroid use is bad.

Riodej1578 · 09-03-2021 06:21PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/steady-rise-in-number-travelling-further-than-10km-from-home-1.4504363?mode=amp

I'm sure it's much higher than 36%

wakka12 · 09-03-2021 06:33PM

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1369052409859895305

Well it seems hard to refute any longer, it is becoming increasingly evident that there is a significant amount of the population who are not just accepting but supportive of restrictions of varying severity continuing indefinitely without any strong reason for them to be there, and really no positive news is going to change their minds. By the time significantly more than 50% of the population are vaccineted, hospitalisations will be negligent, and deaths will be almost zero, and the population is well aware of that. It is simply impossible to justify the response in the poll above unless RTE coverage of the pandemic has seriously driven sanity off the deep end even among young people , but I think the only explanation is unfortunately that many people are prioritising whatever convenience/personal benefits gained during restrictions in favour of reopening of society, ignorant or inconsiderate of the impact it will have on so many other people.

Whatever the reason, it's pretty scary. How will we ever find a way out given this, the vaccine seemed to be our way out of this but when almost half of Irish people are seemingly loving the current set up, and as we know it's the cautious portion of the population who are listened to under these circumstances, well then it doesn't seem they will allow full return to normality until every last man, woman and child on the island is vaccinated. This will take a very long time, not to the mention this green pass system that will inevitably be put in place and put life on hold for young unvaccinated people for even longer.
It also makes me think the whole zero covid thing so many people supported was just a ploy, they knew how unfeasible it was but wanted an excuse to maintain restrictions for far longer than they needed to be there.

Sanjuro · 09-03-2021 06:36PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1369052409859895305

Well it seems hard to refute any longer, it is becoming increasingly evident that there is a significant amount of the population who are not just accepting but supportive of restrictions of varying severity continuing indefinitely without any strong reason for them to be there, and really no positive news is going to change their minds. By the time significantly more than 50% of the population are vaccineted, hospitalisations will be negligent, and deaths will be almost zero, and the population is well aware of that. It is simply impossible to justify the response in the poll above unless RTE coverage of the pandemic has seriously driven sanity off the deep end even among young people , but I think the only explanation is unfortunately that many people are prioritising whatever convenience/personal benefits gained during restrictions in favour of reopening of society, ignorant or inconsiderate of the impact it will have on so many other people.

Whatever the reason, it's pretty scary. How will we ever find a way out given this, the vaccine seemed to be our way out of this but when almost half of Irish people are seemingly loving the current set up, and as we know it's the cautious portion of the population who are listened to under these circumstances, well then it doesn't seem they will allow full return to normality until every last man, woman and child on the island is vaccinated. This will take a very long time, not to the mention this green pass system that will inevitably be put in place and put life on hold for young unvaccinated people for even longer.
It also makes me think the whole zero covid thing so many people supported was just a ploy, they knew how unfeasible it was but wanted an excuse to maintain restrictions for far longer than they needed to be there.

Can you point out where in the survey question the word "indefinitely" appears?

JDxtra · 09-03-2021 06:44PM

wakka12 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ClaireByrneLive/status/1369052409859895305

I'd like to know who they have on this panel. Is it slanted to skew results or cause shock?

This actual question should have been put to ONLY those who would have had an interest in attending music festivals. These results are meaningless if most of the respondents have no interest anyways.

CB Live again, bloody joke of a show now at this stage.

wakka12 · 09-03-2021 06:52PM

JDxtra wrote: »

I'd like to know who they have on this panel. Is it slanted to skew results or cause shock?

This actual question should have been put to ONLY those who would have had an interest in attending music festivals.

Even if it skews older all those older people know they will be safe and well from COVID by the time summer festivals roll around and they know young people are not affected so the poll result is disturbing no matter what way you look at it.

And as for the indefinite question well who knows how many more delays there will be and the optimistic goal for 'large majority' vaccinated is early Autumn 2021 so another 7 months away, 7 months of restrictions on livelihoods of people in entertainment and hospitality and leisure for young people. Seeing as we know by then with only the young healthy still needing to be vaccinated, probably with waning desire for vaccine uptake by that point due to lack of need as they don't suffer major effects anyway and just general disillusionment and anger, how could that not constitute indefinite support for completely unnecessary restrictions at that point. It is completely absurd and indefensible.

Boggles · 09-03-2021 06:53PM

JDxtra wrote: »

I'd like to know who they have on this panel. Is it slanted to skew results or cause shock?

This actual question should have been put to ONLY those who would have had an interest in attending music festivals. These results are meaningless if most of the respondents have no interest anyways.

CB Live again, bloody joke of a show now at this stage.

You are guaranteed to sully the data if you narrow the subset in that way.

It also doesn't guarantee a different result.

retro:electro · 09-03-2021 07:03PM

Micheál on the news smiling like a simp applauding the vaccine rollout despite it being an absolute unmerciful disaster. Did he hit his head recently or??

Always_Running · 09-03-2021 07:05PM

One of thresholds for easing restrictions according to The WHO is two weeks of a positivity rate of 5% or lower in testing

7-day day positivity is 3.8% today last Tuesday it was 4.2%

growleaves · 09-03-2021 07:10PM

Always_Running wrote: »

One of thresholds for easing restrictions according to The WHO is two weeks of a positivity rate of 5% or lower in testing

7-day day positivity is 3.8% today last Tuesday it was 4.2%

Despite people's impressions, seeming objective criteria has far less meaning in this 'crisis' than they think.

We'll be nearer to a return to a normal way of life when we stop hearing the word "cautious".

There always reasons, excuses, justifications to be scared in life.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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