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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #4232
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Looked now and traffic looks light.


    my point was about heavy evening traffic people coming from work

    no traffic now nothing open but house parties twitch ur curtains again

    glad that some have decide to live while govt hide from reality you probably fit the latter too suck it up ur a lost cause


  • #4233
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Are still born babies not recorded as deaths ?
    I think they are , and parents are entitled to register them as such .

    As far as I’m aware the baby needs to weigh at least 500g or be at at least 24 weeks gestation for the parents to be entitled to register a stillbirth and get a death certificate.
    Of course babies lost before this gestation can also be considered a stillbirth by the parents and family, it wouldn’t be unheard of to hear of women who gave birth at 17/18 weeks etc talking of their stillbirth, but to the best of my knowledge they can’t register that as a death.

    So I would assume the very tragic babies discussed this week we’re all lost quite late in pregnancy to say they were counted as stillbirth.


  • #4234
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    As far as I’m aware the baby needs to weigh at least 500g or be at at least 24 weeks gestation for the parents to be entitled to register a stillbirth and get a death certificate.
    Of course babies lost before this gestation can also be considered a stillbirth by the parents and family, it wouldn’t be unheard of to hear of women who gave birth at 17/18 weeks etc talking of their stillbirth, but to the best of my knowledge they can’t register that as a death.

    So I would assume the very tragic babies discussed this week we’re all lost quite late in pregnancy to say they were counted as stillbirth.

    Yes , that is totally correct Susie, unfortunately.
    Usually stillborn babies are brought to term and then delivered if it is possible as less physically traumatic for the mother .
    It is such a tragic subject ..


  • #4235
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,159 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Hospital operations update

    In hospital 392 (decrease of 28 from last night
    In ICU 101 (decrease of 2 which includes 1 death)


  • #4236
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 392 (down from 420 last night)
    ICU 101 (down from 103 last night)

    Edit: Same time as previous poster


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  • #4237
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It's a category but the Central Register Office has recorded them as deaths since 1995.

    As an aside, your maintaining these aren't deaths is deeply offensive to anybody who has had a child die at birth.

    What is wrong with people. :(


  • #4238
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Might put an end to the 'meaningful Christmas' bs repeated here
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/devastating-third-wave-of-covid-19-began-before-lockdown-lifted-for-christmas-new-report-reveals-40171776.html

    Great that the article attempts to absolve the disastrous political decisions. :pac:

    • Yeah meaningful Christmas was coincidental.
    • Opening hospitality was irrelevant
    • Letting in our diaspora just in time for Christmas was by the by
    • The UK variant has had no impact despite now accounting for over 90% of cases


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  • #4239
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NH2013 wrote: »
    Just looked back over my post history from the time and had one post on Nov 14th when I begun to sense the start of the 3rd wave based on the swab data leveling off and then another on the 16th when I was pretty sure we had begun it, a whole week before the 22nd. The public were certainly ahead of the NPHET at that time and had begun disregarding the restrictions by early to mid November once the cases fell off.

    I don't know if the same will happen this time given the shock of the Christmas wave and associated deaths combined with the fact the vaccine makes the finishing line look and feel much closer and more tangible as well but who knows how the public will hold up over the next 2-3+ weeks as the cases get down towards 200 per day and fatigue really starts to bite.

    November 14th:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115291115&postcount=3448

    November 16th:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115314170&postcount=4503

    It was well called out at the time that there were a number of significant hospital outbreaks. From the 20th, daily swabs resumed their fall off and continued to do so until 11th of December. Positive Rate continued to decline well into December also

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  • #4240
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The biggest delusion is that if we cancelled Christmas there would have been no third wave. So what, we would have just stayed in level 5 with no social activity from October to May?


  • #4241
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    AdamD wrote: »
    The biggest delusion is that if we cancelled Christmas there would have been no third wave. So what, we would have just stayed in level 5 with no social activity from October to May?

    Other European countries did not experience the huge growth or third wave that we did. We were internationally known for it. It was the fastest global rise for a short while and was shocking. 2200 people died in 10 weeks and that compares to about 2200 covid deaths in the previous 40 weeks. The delusion is to defend it as unavòidable.


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  • #4242
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    AdamD wrote: »
    The biggest delusion is that if we cancelled Christmas there would have been no third wave. So what, we would have just stayed in level 5 with no social activity from October to May?

    It would probably not have been as bad but I feel there may also have been a 4th wave.


  • #4243
    jackryan34
    Site Banned Posts: 85 ✭✭jackryan34


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    It would probably not have been as bad but I feel there may also have been a 4th wave.

    There are no waves, only an ocean.

    When you open up cases are going up, vaccine or not they will go up and alot

    People need to accept that


  • #4244
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,650 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Other European countries did not experience the huge growth or third wave that we did. We were internationally known for it. It was the fastest global rise for a short while and was shocking. 2200 people died in 10 weeks and that compares to about 2200 covid deaths in the previous 40 weeks. The delusion is to defend it as unavòidable.
    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    It would probably not have been as bad but I feel there may also have been a 4th wave.

    That massive spike was inevitable given our strict restrictions in the lead up to it.
    If we locked down for christmas and opened afterwards we would have seen the same spike if not bigger - its about pent up demand and giving people an outlet.

    If we had stayed in level 3/4 the whole time it wouldn't have been as bad because people could socialise in a controlled setting, and they wouldnt all have to do it at once.
    Remember when we opened before christmas half the country had like 2 weeks to do their christmas shopping - no wonder we ended up where we did.


  • #4245
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Other European countries did not experience the huge growth or third wave that we did. We were internationally known for it. It was the fastest global rise for a short while and was shocking. 2200 people died in 10 weeks and that compares to about 2200 covid deaths in the previous 40 weeks. The delusion is to defend it as unavòidable.

    Part of the 'fastest rise' was just crappy IT systems giving us incorrect testing figures for 2 weeks followed by a week of crazy high numbers to catch up.

    Either way, we were getting a third spike, the lockdowns were just changing the timing of it


  • #4246
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Other European countries did not experience the huge growth or third wave that we did. We were internationally known for it. It was the fastest global rise for a short while and was shocking. 2200 people died in 10 weeks and that compares to about 2200 covid deaths in the previous 40 weeks. The delusion is to defend it as unavòidable.

    Wonder was it because they didn't have everything closed for most of the time leading up to Christmas. Nah couldn't be that


  • #4247
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,738 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Remember when we opened before christmas half the country had like 2 weeks to do their christmas shopping - no wonder we ended up where we did.

    this and we are about to repeat the same mistake again

    as another poster said we need to open up click and collect now and try and stem the rush when the full opening happens. although the advantage we will be going into summer doing it this time so at least we have more chance of what can be outdoor being outdoor.

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #4248
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,065 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Just hear of someone passing away this week who caught covid in November and on a ventilator since. Just awful for them and their family.


  • #4249
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    batman_oh wrote: »
    Wonder was it because they didn't have everything closed for most of the time leading up to Christmas. Nah couldn't be that

    I dont think shopping spiked the numbers. Or even people spaced out well in a restaurant outdoors or with good ventilation. Lock ins and drunken packed get togethers and going home to the Ma and Da afterwards is more likely.
    I would personally be in favour of opening or having kept open much more stuff that can be done under awnings, in marquees or outside or with all windows open etc. Plus click and collect. That kind of thing.
    But the unusually higher spike here than anywhere else in the world was mostly due to could not give much of a fcuk stupidity. This supposed helplessness of poor craythurs set suddenly free is infantilising of a population and I do not recognise it in myself or the people close to me.

    Anyway continue with the revisionism in real time and good luck with things going forwards :) Not my circus.


  • #4250
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Other European countries did not experience the huge growth or third wave that we did. We were internationally known for it. It was the fastest global rise for a short while and was shocking. 2200 people died in 10 weeks and that compares to about 2200 covid deaths in the previous 40 weeks. The delusion is to defend it as unavòidable.

    50,000 into the airport over December nothing to do with it and I doubt these people were staying in hotels now or self isolating when they were home for just two weeks.

    The spike was happening in November before Christmas .

    Mandatory quaritining should of been in before Xmas. It's four months two late.


  • #4251
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    will we still be talking about xmas after we've been embarrassed into opening up by the rest of the world


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  • #4252
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    will SOME still be talking about xmas after we've been embarrassed into opening up by the rest of the world

    FYP and yes they will.


  • #4253
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    fits wrote: »
    Just hear of someone passing away this week who caught covid in November and on a ventilator since. Just awful for them and their family.

    RIP, yes indeed tough for family .............but any death from any illness is awful. And its been happening throughout the last year, cancer, stroke, brain hemorrhage, suicide, car crashes, drowning..........since time began too. And have we been as sympathetic and appalled at their deaths? Are only Covid deaths awful?


  • #4254
    optogirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,043 ✭✭✭optogirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    RIP.............but any death from any illness is awful. And its been happening throughout the last year, cancer, stroke, brain hemorrhage, suicide, car crashes, drowning..........since time began too. And have we been as sympathetic and appalled at their deaths? Are only Covid deaths awful?

    Well, yes but those deaths don't relate to a Covid thread


  • #4255
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    batman_oh wrote: »
    Wonder was it because they didn't have everything closed for most of the time leading up to Christmas. Nah couldn't be that

    Yeah!!! If we never put any restrictions in place in October and November, nobody would have socialised over Christmas. It was all just pent up demand, never seen before.


  • #4256
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    batman_oh wrote: »
    Wonder was it because they didn't have everything closed for most of the time leading up to Christmas. Nah couldn't be that

    Yeah most years Christmas is super quiet because everywhere is open in the run up to the big day. There is no pent up demand so no problem.


  • #4257
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    NPHET and the government got it wrong.

    The Xmas wave was a combination of four factors:

    a) locking down too severely, for too long post-September over relatively modest infection numbers - creating tension and pent-up demand
    b) telling the population they have 2 weeks to do as much as they possibly can
    c) the inevitability that a lot of interaction would happen at Xmas anyway, irrespective of whether people were told not to mix
    d) weather / seasonal factors; impact on respiratory viruses

    Those four factors created the perfect storm for viral transmission.

    True, there may have been a wave anyway (see point c.) - but how the government and NPHET mismanaged the entire process from September onward is what led to the extraordinary wave that we saw in January.


  • #4258
    batman_oh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    Yeah!!! If we never put any restrictions in place in October and November, nobody would have socialised over Christmas. It was all just pent up demand, never seen before.

    I was talking about the fact that the spike was concentrated right around Christmas here, where other countries had more cases earlier than us in winter (because they had things open). We combined Christmas with opening everything that was closed leading up to it (and for longer than anywhere in Europe last year). And then let thousands in from the UK and Brazil where it was running rampant.
    Blaming it all on people meeting for Christmas is stupid. The government made a balls of it


  • #4259
    techdiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,550 ✭✭✭techdiver


    This binary discussion always goes around about causes of x and y. The truth is often somewhere in between but people take an entrenched view and won't be swayed. The Christmas spike was caused by a multitude of issues. To say travel had nothing to do with it is ignoring facts. To also say that it was nothing to do with socialising and all to do with travel or retail is equally ignoring the facts. Everything contributed.

    Yes, the government should have had better travel restrictions in place earlier. In my opinion the government have gone out of their way not to do it and have introduced a flimsy version (to claim they have done something) at the moment and are hoping to kick the can down the road until the vaccine starts to work.

    Having retail closed in the run up to Christmas more than likely also caused issues too. Restricting all in person Christmas shopping to a small window was always going to cause demand and congestion. In saying all that, the major cause had to be socialising. The nature of behaviour and travel patterns at Christmas in Ireland points towards this. Add to that the kite flying regarding potential restrictions in January and no wonder people behaved the way they did. Now we could have reduced the issue with more stringent travel restrictions, but the UK strain was always going to get in here regardless.

    In short people need to stop arguing for A or B when in fact the answer is AB.


  • #4260
    [Deleted User]
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    optogirl wrote: »
    Well, yes but those deaths don't relate to a Covid thread

    they have to be part of the conversation, Covid is part of life right now, its affecting everyone......... it impacts on everything. So I think deaths and bereavement from other things have to be part of the discussion too. We will have to live with Covid for many years to come - it is not going to be eradicated - and that also means dying from Covid.

    So it should be discussed along with deaths from other causes, all part of the mix of life and what is important to all of us. Covid is not only way to die and is not more important than other deaths.


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  • #4261
    SnuggyBear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭SnuggyBear


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    RIP, yes indeed tough for family .............but any death from any illness is awful. And its been happening throughout the last year, cancer, stroke, brain hemorrhage, suicide, car crashes, drowning..........since time began too. And have we been as sympathetic and appalled at their deaths? Are only Covid deaths awful?

    They should start reporting cancer deaths every evening with covid. Although they are probably reported as covid deaths now.


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