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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #4202
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    crossman47 wrote: »
    No because they're not deaths in the first place.
    Those deaths of the foetus may have come about as result of COVID Placentitis. That's important data to record if so.


  • #4203
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭crossman47


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Those deaths of the foetus may have come about as result of COVID Placentitis. That's important data to record.

    I agree but they should not record them as deaths - they weren't. If you counted all stillbirths as deaths usually, our mortality rate would shoot up.


  • #4204
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So you have nothing of any substance to add other than troll-y comments like this when you’re called out for your bullsh*t, again.

    I’ll see you on Thursday when no doubt you will be once again surprised by the optimism from the NPHET briefing.

    If you have examples of their optimism that match what was said tonight I'm all ears

    I dont know why I'm replying to a wind up merchant but still fire away when you get them


  • #4205
    nj27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    What season? It didn't subside for the southern hemisphere's Summer. There is no evidence of it being seasonal nor can there be with a new virus until at least three annual cycles have been evaluated.

    Nah, bollocks. Just wait and see it decline rapidly from now on regardless of restrictions.


  • #4206
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    nj27 wrote: »
    Nah, bollocks. Just wait and see it decline rapidly from now on regardless of restrictions.

    It was this time last year that it all kicked off though?


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  • #4207
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    If you have examples of their optimism that match what was said tonight I'm all ears

    I dont know why I'm replying to a wind up merchant but still fire away when you get them

    Exactly one month ago Ronan Glynn said we have already passed the worst of the pandemic and that there was every reason to be optimistic for the weeks and months ahead. Don't believe me? Go look for it. You don't bother your hole to watch the briefings, instead you just make up what is said that them so I'm not going to bother my hole proving you wrong time and time again when you have Google at your own disposal.


  • #4208
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,083 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Faugheen wrote: »
    So you have nothing of any substance to add other than troll-y comments like this when you’re called out for your bullsh*t, again.

    I’ll see you on Thursday when no doubt you will be once again surprised by the optimism from the NPHET briefing.
    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    If you have examples of their optimism that match what was said tonight I'm all ears

    I dont know why I'm replying to a wind up merchant but still fire away when you get them

    Mod:

    Quit the bickering folks, if you can't post in a civil manner stick each other on ignore

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #4209
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,666 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    feeling a little more optimistic about restrictions been relaxed and the virus weakening a bit but no doubt something will come along later in the week about' new deadly variants, vaccine supply delays or an expert has predicted this that and the other'. We then have Dr Tony to come back and we all know his impact on his return last time

    I'd be content if mass gatherings ie 3Arena/Indoor shows will be permitted for the Autumn. Summer i think is far too early but imagine morale if we had something like that to look forward to. TBH the battle to get the pubs reopen will be ahead of that


  • #4210
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    nj27 wrote: »
    Nah, bollocks. Just wait and see it decline rapidly from now on regardless of restrictions.

    You can say regardless of restrictions, but the fact is that there are restrictions. The combination of restrictions and vaccines will ensure that it declines over the next few months.

    Brazil experiencing their deadliest wave at the moment should put to bed any ideas of seasonality.


  • #4211
    Tazz T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    Steve012 wrote: »
    A fourth wave, anyone expecting this after lockdown? it didn't happen last summer, with different variants now I ain't so sure there won't be a fourth.

    /QUOTE]

    Depends how you quantify a wave. They'll be blips almost certainly next Xmas. And perhaps if a new variant shows when restrictions begin to go over the next few months.

    There have not been more than three waves in any previous airborne pandemic. I saw some 'experts' calling a fourth wave for Hong Kong some time ago, but it was just a continuance of the third wave after a relaxing of restrictions or maybe the UK variant and that's subsided.

    To see a fourth wave you need to look for a country that's a bit ahead of the curve and has well defined waves. The US is probably a contender especially as there's a lot of states fully open now. Next month will be interesting there. But unless some mad variant comes along, there isn't a precedent for it, especially with vaccines being rolled out.

    The worry of course for us is NYPET sees a blip, calls it a wave and locks us down prematurely.


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  • #4212
    HereinBray
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 67 ✭✭HereinBray


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I agree but they should not record them as deaths - they weren't. If you counted all stillbirths as deaths usually, our mortality rate would shoot up.

    A stillbirth is a death. It may be registered but it is not obligatory.

    Our mortality would not 'shoot up'. I think you need to be a little more sensitive to the parents who may have experienced stillbirth.


  • #4213
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,292 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I agree but they should not record them as deaths - they weren't. If you counted all stillbirths as deaths usually, our mortality rate would shoot up.

    You are confusing Stillbirth with miscarriage. A stillbirth can most certainly be, and usually is, recorded and registered as a death.


  • #4214
    Pwindedd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    You can say regardless of restrictions, but the fact is that there are restrictions. The combination of restrictions and vaccines will ensure that it declines over the next few months.

    Brazil experiencing their deadliest wave at the moment should put to bed any ideas of seasonality.

    My (new) understanding of the seasonality of this virus is “weather factors that drive people indoors”

    Extremes of either cold or heat tend to do this. Brazil are in their summer months at the moment.


  • #4215
    Tazz T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,236 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    What season? It didn't subside for the southern hemisphere's Summer. There is no evidence of it being seasonal nor can there be with a new virus until at least three annual cycles have been evaluated.
    nj27 wrote: »
    Nah, bollocks. Just wait and see it decline rapidly from now on regardless of restrictions.

    Yup. It's absolutely seasonal for exactly the same reason flu season is seasonal and most of those reasons are because we're in the Northern Hemisphere.

    Congregating indoors. Poor ventilation. Lack of antiseptic UV light. Vitamin D. Suppressed immune systems.


  • #4216
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    sorry to burst your bubble but from this report in the Irish Independent today, it seems the 3rd and most fatal wave of Covid started as early as 22 November, long before the "Christmas madness and granny killers "started to celebrate and throw caution to the wind CAUSING all of this! This is a pandemic and no amount of blame and finger pointing was going to prevent it spreading, especially at the height of our flu season. Ironic that this year there were NO cases of flu recorded :rolleyes:?


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/devastating-third-wave-of-covid-19-began-before-lockdown-lifted-for-christmas-new-report-reveals-40171776.html

    Interesting looking at the cases per death in this period vs last March/April.

    Is it a reasonable assumption that perhaps 10% of our population had Covid?


  • #4217
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    A year to the day..China's approach of lockdown was for the first time exported outside of the country to the Western world in Italy, and the rest was history... The school history books written about 2020/21 will be fairly hefty I'd say


  • #4218
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Tazz T wrote: »
    What season? It didn't subside for the southern hemisphere's Summer. There is no evidence of it being seasonal nor can there be with a new virus until at least three annual cycles have been evaluated.



    Yup. It's absolutely seasonal for exactly the same reason flu season is seasonal and most of those reasons are because we're in the Northern Hemisphere.

    Congregating indoors. Poor ventilation. Lack of antiseptic UV light. Vitamin D. Suppressed immune systems.

    High temperatures + AC = indoor congregation and perhaps not dissimilar risk to winter.

    High temperatures, outdoor culture = lower risk.


  • #4219
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,841 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    It was this time last year that it all kicked off though?

    Yes and some people have very short memories.


  • #4220
    Hobgoblin11
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Its clear from the numbers that the delay in vaccinations being rolled out in Ireland has cost an extra 300 deaths

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • #4221
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Hobgoblin11 wrote: »
    Its clear from the numbers that the delay in vaccinations being rolled out in Ireland has cost an extra 300 deaths

    You'll have to elaborate on this.


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  • #4222
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    You'll have to elaborate on this.

    I can explain. There was no delay.


  • #4223
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    feeling a little more optimistic about restrictions been relaxed and the virus weakening a bit but no doubt something will come along later in the week about' new deadly variants, vaccine supply delays or an expert has predicted this that and the other'. We then have Dr Tony to come back and we all know his impact on his return last time

    I'd be content if mass gatherings ie 3Arena/Indoor shows will be permitted for the Autumn. Summer i think is far too early but imagine morale if we had something like that to look forward to. TBH the battle to get the pubs reopen will be ahead of that

    Virus weakening? Nah man, that's where it hits my optimism, weakening my h*le
    Kent variant has mutated again in UK, Nigerian variant has feck all protein spikes and cloaks itself, so does the SA variant and Brazilian.

    Time will tell.
    Vaccines will make a big dint globally


  • #4224
    NH2013
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 405 ✭✭NH2013


    Deleted User wrote: »
    How many people are going to quote the misreading by a journalist of what essentially is just a reporting period as being the start of the surge? Anyone can look at the data and see that by all measures of the virus numbers were still declining for weeks after the 22nd?

    Just looked back over my post history from the time and had one post on Nov 14th when I begun to sense the start of the 3rd wave based on the swab data leveling off and then another on the 16th when I was pretty sure we had begun it, a whole week before the 22nd. The public were certainly ahead of the NPHET at that time and had begun disregarding the restrictions by early to mid November once the cases fell off.

    I don't know if the same will happen this time given the shock of the Christmas wave and associated deaths combined with the fact the vaccine makes the finishing line look and feel much closer and more tangible as well but who knows how the public will hold up over the next 2-3+ weeks as the cases get down towards 200 per day and fatigue really starts to bite.

    November 14th:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115291115&postcount=3448

    November 16th:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115314170&postcount=4503


  • #4225
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You are confusing Stillbirth with miscarriage. A stillbirth can most certainly be, and usually is, recorded and registered as a death.

    I've looked again. It is recorded as a still birth but is not included in the number of deaths. In 2018 there were 174 deaths of infants under one year. Over a third were in the day after birth. Separately, and not in the total deaths, there were 133 still births.


  • #4226
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    LOL have u seen the traffic this evening think it already happening, govt are hiding from the public, I would say it would easier to get a pint of guiness than 1 of our elected muppets to appear to be hiding from that new NPET strain that just effects govt


  • #4227
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I've looked again. It is recorded as a still birth but is not included in the number of deaths. In 2018 there were 174 deaths of infants under one year. Over a third were in the day after birth. Separately, and not in the total deaths, there were 133 still births.

    Well now I’m proper depressed


  • #4228
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,292 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I've looked again. It is recorded as a still birth but is not included in the number of deaths. In 2018 there were 174 deaths of infants under one year. Over a third were in the day after birth. Separately, and not in the total deaths, there were 133 still births.

    It's a category but the Central Register Office has recorded them as deaths since 1995.

    As an aside, your maintaining these aren't deaths is deeply offensive to anybody who has had a child die at birth.


  • #4229
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    LOL have u seen the traffic this evening think it already happening, govt are hiding from the public, I would say it would easier to get a pint of guiness than 1 of our elected muppets to appear to be hiding from that new NPET strain that just effects govt

    Looked now and traffic looks light.


  • #4230
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,465 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    eskimohunt threadban lifted


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  • #4231
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    crossman47 wrote: »
    I agree but they should not record them as deaths - they weren't. If you counted all stillbirths as deaths usually, our mortality rate would shoot up.

    Are still born babies not recorded as deaths ?
    I think they are , and parents are entitled to register them as such .


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