Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

User1998 wrote: »

Public servants are on full pay doing feck all for the week, lockdown definitely suits more people than you think

But it really honestly doesn't suit anyone. Even if you are a mandarin in the HSE working from home on full pay, lockdown's are a monumental pain in the *ss. No point in getting full pay if you can't go on holidays, can't go to the shops, can't meet your friends for a meal, can't celebrate your birthday, can't meet your family for events.

The idea that there's some inner cabal of HSE public servants typing away on their laptops conspiring to close the economy forever because they're addicted to the drama is just utter nonsense. If nothing else, there will be an inner cabal of DOF public servants who will put pay to that as soon as humanly possible.

JDD wrote: »

But it really honestly doesn't suit anyone. Even if you are a mandarin in the HSE working from home on full pay, lockdown's are a monumental pain in the *ss. No point in getting full pay if you can't go on holidays, can't go to the shops, can't meet your friends for a meal, can't celebrate your birthday, can't meet your family for events.

The idea that there's some inner cabal of HSE public servants typing away on their laptops conspiring to close the economy forever because they're addicted to the drama is just utter nonsense. If nothing else, there will be an inner cabal of DOF public servants who will put pay to that as soon as humanly possible.

Yes it does, within the first week of lockdown at my OH's workplace (State education) nearly all the long term sick employees applied to go back to work so they could claim full pay from home, doing next to nothing.

OwenM wrote: »

Yes it does, within the first week of lockdown at my OH's workplace (State education) nearly all the long term sick employees applied to go back to work so they could claim full pay from home, doing next to nothing.

And are those people now sitting on the board of NPHET? Or managing the HSE?


No?

Then not relevant.

Klonker wrote: »

They'll all have similar measures in the UK I think with Scotland and Northern Ireland with slightly more cautious reopenings.

Anyway I wasn't saying blindly follow the UK approach. My point is if we take England as the example, and they have 80% adults with first doses by end of May and at that stage have pubs and restaurants opened, with their only restrictions really just against large gatherings (nightclubs, concerts etc) and all their metrics are looking really good, then what justification could our government have for not doing the same when we get to the same percentage vaccinated by say end of June? I don't think they could have any. Obviously if we find out that England went too early and had another wave then we'd be more cautious to avoid the same here.

If twere me,I'd follow the ultra cautious Scots.......There's probably posters here now scrabbling to get a seat on the overnight ferry in order to don a sandwich-noard and walk around Glasgow tellin the locals..."Yiz are all fekkiin DOOMED" :mad:

Sumption is correct,there is a point where observance of the multiplicity of restrictions on basic freedoms will simply overcome Authority due to the numbers of Ordinaries ignoring them....

The real question then becomes...What will Authority do then.?

https://www.rte.ie/news/uk/2021/0308/1201566-sturgeon-rangers-covid/

AlekSmart wrote: »

Sumption is correct,there is a point where observance of the multiplicity of restrictions on basic freedoms will simply overcome Authority due to the numbers of Ordinaries ignoring them....

You are basing that on Rangers fans going apeshít?

Liverpool fans also went apeshít.

Maybe Sumptions observations are limited to football fans who hadn't won a league title in quite some time.

Because the control group. i.e everyone else are not going apeshít.

Hopefully Mayo don't chose this year to overcome their woes, that could be an epic super spreader event.

Boggles wrote: »

You are basing that on Rangers fans going apeshít?

Liverpool fans also went apeshít.

Maybe Sumptions observations are limited to football fans who hadn't won a league title in quite some time.

Because the control group. i.e everyone else are not going apeshít.

Hopefully Mayo don't chose this year to overcome their woes, that could be an epic super spreader event.

Nah...I'm basing it on numbers...was never a football fan,with either leg

User1998 wrote: »

Public servants are on full pay doing feck all for the week, lockdown definitely suits more people than you think

Little advantage in being a 'public servant" if you're the same as the rest those observing restrictions on travel etc. Its not like they can go down the pub. So no I don't agree lockdown suits the majority. Way too easy to engage in begrudgery when the fact is we're all in the same boat.

Boggles wrote: »

Oh okay. Well the vast majority of the UK are neither Rangers or Liverpool fans.

The vast majority of Rangers or Liverpool fans did not gather together last year or yesterday. In fact the scenes from Liverpool were probably a once in 30 year event, I doubt we will have to worry about them during the pandemic.

So I guess we will be waiting for that critical mass you talk of.

Don't be fretting,as you won't be waiting long for it.

The UK's Police Forces are currently having field days issuing Fixed-Penalty Notices hither,tither and yon for a wide variety of "offences".

A great many will be paid without murmour,but some will decide to see how far the Government can go whilst retaining it's democratic stance.

Sumptions point that the UK Government had sufficient powers available under their Civil Contingiences Act,but instead chose to use the Health Acts (1984 :eek: ) to pursue it's various impositions on civil liberty.

The reason appears to be their Prime Ministers strong desire to avoid Parliamentary Oversight,as the CCA required Parliamentary Review every 30 days and did not allow for the amendment of Statutory Instruments on-the-fly,as is possible under the 1984 :eek: Health Act.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/the-cleverest-man-in-britain-on-why-england-should-resist-lockdown-1.4402266

Sumption fears that the legacy of lockdown will be more widespread support for a form of authoritarian, top-down government he believes will prove inefficient and ultimately unpopular. He hopes those unhappy with the restrictions will protest to their MPs and write to the press and he points out that the rules are not enforceable without public consent.

“There aren’t enough policemen to invigilate what people are doing in their homes. So, to my mind, what people should do is make their own decisions anyway,” he said.

Leaving aside the United Kingdom being a seperate and distinct entity to this Republic,Sumption's concerns certainly reasonate with me,particularly as divergent opinion here remains largely similar to the UK's.

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Compare a public servant and a hospitality worker saving for a house. The public servant has saved a fortune this year while the hospitality worker has seen his savings dwindle away. House prices will likely go up now with the demand.

The hospitality worker is screwed. All in this together mehole.

Maybe one way to get the ball rolling here is the Legal one...?

https://twitter.com/TraceyOMahony81/status/1367135975579787266

TBH I'm not her greatest fan,however I can see where she's coming from and it might be worth a 20 spot just to rattle the Government's Compliance Cage ?

Boggles wrote: »

When do you think this critical mass of civil disobedience will happen?

I mean, lets be honest, in England the clock is ticking rapidly.

The two major imponderables are the COVID Payments (UK's Furlough) and the Weather.

If the weather keeps improving,I would expect late April will see the Gardai experiencing difficulties policing the "New" normal.

Or,perhaps it depends on whether Ranger's have an Irish subsidiary ?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1368621493761024000

Interesting to see the Scot's Polis adopting a different control technique than our own force.

AlekSmart wrote: »

Maybe one way to get the ball rolling here is the Legal one...?


TBH I'm not her greatest fan,however I can see where she's coming from and it might be worth a 20 spot just to rattle the Government's Compliance Cage ?

lobbed her fund 50e myself

Deleted User wrote: »

They are being roundly ignored by anyone with influence

Of course they are as there is a massive democracy deficit in this country. So only pro lockdowners/draconian restriction enthusiasts are allowed the floor here.

Deleted User wrote: »

They are being roundly ignored by anyone with influence

The way Scally was dropped from the cervical check review gives me hope this is true.