When will it all end?

Mr. Karate · 07-03-2021 11:01PM

papu wrote: »

Tries what again, a global pandemic?

Find some reason to lock us down again.

07-03-2021 11:04PM

markodaly wrote: »

In regards the UK government, why would you trust them more than our own?
Id imagine that restrictions will be eased this summer, but completely? Nope

I don't trust the Brits in the least but I can accept the clear and obvious reality that as far as vaccination goes they're probably the only country in Europe who are doing a good job. The rest of us have cowardly governments ceding power to the EU, claiming it's the best we can do (Brits are proving otherwise) and avoiding any accountability nationally.

For example, it was Mardi Gras in Sydney, NSW last weekend. There has not been a local case there in over 5 weeks, in Sydney, yet the traditional parade was cancelled as it usually attracts a crowd of over 100,000 people.

Why mention this? Feb 2020 normal is a long way away yet.

I must have missed the memo that the Aussies had finished vaccinating everyone.

aido79 · 07-03-2021 11:09PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Find some reason to lock us down again.

I just can't understand this way of thinking. Why do you believe the government wants to lock us down? How does it benefit them?

ypres5 · 07-03-2021 11:13PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why do you think this?

he thinks the vaccines don't work despite every scrap of evidence saying they do

markodaly · 07-03-2021 11:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I must have missed the memo that the Aussies had finished vaccinating everyone.

IF everyone is vaccinated and IF there are ZERO local cases, then yes one can go back to normal.

But if there are local cases, then stuff like large crowds as parades, festivals, sporting events, or travel to wherever you want, without some checks, are not going to happen.

Mr. Karate · 07-03-2021 11:15PM

aido79 wrote: »

I just can't understand this way of thinking. Why do you believe the government wants to lock us down? How does it benefit them?

Power and Complete Control over us.

ujjjjjjjjj · 07-03-2021 11:17PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Flu doesn't worry me in the slightest neither does Covid but I can see some people freaking about it. Tony has form when it comes to hyping it up.

Thanks for posting that clip, gives me the shivers just watching it as you realise exactly how we ended up where we are.........

ujjjjjjjjj · 07-03-2021 11:18PM

markodaly wrote: »

IF everyone is vaccinated and IF there are ZERO local cases, then yes one can go back to normal.

But if there are local cases, then stuff like large crowds as parades, festivals, sporting events, or travel to wherever you want, without some checks, are not going to happen.

Cases are irrelevant, if hospitalisation and deaths are low we move on. Zero covid is a total and utter fantasy. This is an endemic virus.

markodaly · 07-03-2021 11:20PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Cases are irrelevant, if hospitalisation and deaths are low we move on. Zero covid is a total and utter fantasy. This is an endemic virus.

As per the WHO, CDC, ECDC and other public health NGO's that is a dangerous game, that should be avoided, but I guess our resident public health experts know better.

VonLuck · 07-03-2021 11:20PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Power and Complete Control over us.

Yes, a concerted effort by the world's governments to keep us all under their thumb. I wonder if they decided that at last year's AGM?

papu · 07-03-2021 11:22PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Power and Complete Control over us.

Conspiracy theories forum is that way. 》

Mr. Karate · 07-03-2021 11:25PM

VonLuck wrote: »

Yes, a concerted effort by the world's governments to keep us all under their thumb. I wonder if they decided that at last year's AGM?

So its only a coincidence that this has been very Socialist/Communist in approach? Govt controlled economy ["You're business isn't essential. You have to close it until we say you can open it.", "You're not an essential worker. You have to stay home until we say otherwise.". Plus telling us where we can go, how far we can go and who we can see and not see]

paddyisreal · 07-03-2021 11:28PM

markodaly wrote: »

IF everyone is vaccinated and IF there are ZERO local cases, then yes one can go back to normal.

But if there are local cases, then stuff like large crowds as parades, festivals, sporting events, or travel to wherever you want, without some checks, are not going to happen.

But but the vaccines don't stop transmission of the virus so how do you get to zero??? Like the flu jab doesn't bring the number of flu cases to zero.

GeorgeBailey · 07-03-2021 11:29PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

So its only a coincidence that this has been very Socialist/Communist in approach? Govt controlled economy ["You're business isn't essential. You have to close it until we say you can open it.", "You're not an essential worker. You have to stay home until we say otherwise.". Plus telling us where we can go, how far we can go and who we can see and not see]

Fair points. I certainly can't see any other reason why they'd be trying to keep people apart during a pandemic.

drunkmonkey · 07-03-2021 11:33PM

aido79 wrote: »

I just can't understand this way of thinking. Why do you believe the government wants to lock us down? How does it benefit them?

Who's calling the shots and does the restrictions benefit their team, I think so.
MM and Leo are caught by the short and curly's, you had Pat Kenny accusing them of murder on National radio, they can't row against the public health advice. We're stuck, I'm not seeing a way out with NPHET in complete control backed by the Garda Síochána.

Mr. Karate · 07-03-2021 11:34PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Fair points. I certainly can't see any other reason why they'd be trying to keep people apart during a pandemic.

Because these clowns have proven they will never take advantage of a situation. :rolleyes:

I'm sure if they tried real hard they could have figured out how to deal with a virus a 99.96% survival rate [and a 95% survival rate for the vulnerable]

Samsonsmasher · 07-03-2021 11:34PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

But but the vaccines don't stop transmission of the virus so how do you get to zero??? Like the flu jab doesn't bring the number of flu cases to zero.

Guaranteed they will try and lock us down and probably succeed because there will be cases and deaths and the majority even if they are presumably vaccinated will still go along with it.
I have no doubt it would happen. I met people wearing 2 masks in the park today. Wearing gloves. Rubbing sanitizer on their hands. In a park.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-03-2021 11:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why do you think this?

I think the summer will be great because the virus seems a to be seasonal. Numbers are going down and the vaccine is being rolled out. The summer will see most restrictions loosened and lifted.

The questions which remain are about winter - because the virus seems to be seasonal. Whether the numbers stay low enough to avoid reimposing restrictions is the question which remains.

On one hand we have the seasonality of the virus and reduced or completely lifted restrictions (full stadiums, concerts, nightclubs, public transport, Christmas travel etc) and on the other hand we have the majority of the population vaccinated. So what will happen? How high will transmissions go and what will the hospitalisation and death rate be and will we need restrictions to control them?

Those are the big questions which remain. But this summer will be great

paddyisreal · 07-03-2021 11:39PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Guaranteed they will try and lock us down and probably succeed because there will be cases and deaths and the majority even if they are presumably vaccinated will still go along with it.
I have no doubt it would happen. I met people wearing 2 masks in the park today. Wearing gloves. Rubbing sanitizer on their hands. In a park.

But we need to get to zero covid!!!! Like we have zero flu, zero stds etc covid is here to stay and we may get used to living with it. The vaccine will hopefully stop the hospital admissions but just wait for Sam mcconkey or one of the experts to rollout case numbers and long covid

El_Duderino 09 · 07-03-2021 11:39PM

ypres5 wrote: »

he thinks the vaccines don't work despite every scrap of evidence saying they do

Who thinks the vaccines don’t work?

ujjjjjjjjj · 07-03-2021 11:39PM

markodaly wrote: »

As per the WHO, CDC, ECDC and other public health NGO's that is a dangerous game, that should be avoided, but I guess our resident public health experts know better.

You can't get to zero cases with an endemic virus.......but if you want to go down that rabbit hole fire away, just go down it on your own with Sam McConkey and the two of you can have a socially distanced jolly old time.

Anyone in public health or for that matter in any walk of life advocating zero covid is living in an unobtainable nirvana.

All that matters is keeping hospitalisation and deaths low and within the scope of our ailing health service. Once vaccination increases we open up and it will be fine but it won't be zero. The only way to achieve zero is to literally hard lockdown the country for 2-3 weeks and that means no contact at all, no mixing, no shopping, nothing at all open and no one leaving their homes. You then have to keep our borders shut including the NI border indefinitely.

Do you want that as that is the only way you can achieve and maintain zero covid with an endemic global virus ?

ujjjjjjjjj · 07-03-2021 11:42PM

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

Guaranteed they will try and lock us down and probably succeed because there will be cases and deaths and the majority even if they are presumably vaccinated will still go along with it.
I have no doubt it would happen. I met people wearing 2 masks in the park today. Wearing gloves. Rubbing sanitizer on their hands. In a park.

Neurotic hysteria.....it is truly staggering what has happened to some people, watching a fella two nights ago walking a dog in an empty park wearing a mask.....I actually don't know what goes through their heads. Total and utter neurosis at this stage.

07-03-2021 11:46PM

markodaly wrote: »

IF everyone is vaccinated and IF there are ZERO local cases, then yes one can go back to normal.

But if there are local cases, then stuff like large crowds as parades, festivals, sporting events, or travel to wherever you want, without some checks, are not going to happen.

****. That.
Do we lock down for a case of chicken pox? Or Flu? Or TB?
If people are such simpletons as to accept restrictions over a disease which by then will cause a handful of deaths then they don't deserve any better.

El_Duderino 09 · 07-03-2021 11:51PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

****. That.
Do we lock down for a case of chicken pox? Or Flu? Or TB?
If people are such simpletons as to accept restrictions over a disease which by then will cause a handful of deaths then they don't deserve any better.

Why are people such simpletons to accept restrictions since Christmas? And why would they not accept them if we had a similar situation again?

Micky 32 · 07-03-2021 11:51PM

markodaly wrote: »

That is Trump talk to be fair.

Many of your posts are needlessly aggressive, whereby anyone who disagrees with you gets some semi-personal jab.

As per the polls, they are not my polls, but polls carried out by polling agencies, which appear to have a pattern, that most people are happy with the current level of restrictions. I guess, they must all be wrong and you with your wet finger in the air, must be right.

No, i was posting my real life experiences that don’t match up with your polls you posted definitely not percentage wise. You didn’t like that and now resorting to “trump talk” tactics now because i didn’t agree with you, which is absolute total nonsense talk. If you think people are happy out there you really need to take your head out of the sand.

Sure criticise my agressive posts, maybe you should address your posts too, All they seem to do is be of a WUM nature while exaggerating what people post to try and strengthen your argument.

Dickie10 · 07-03-2021 11:53PM

HansKroenke wrote: »

If we hit 1m per month for April and May, as is projected, we'll have half the country vaccinated. Come June and July, we'll be there. Looking at how the UK is progressing as compared to its timeline, I have no reason not to be optimistic at this stage that we'll be roaring back to normal come the August Bank Holiday.

not if King Tony has his way, we will be gravely concerned at case numbers and ICU numbers not lowering fast enough, so no August bank holiday, much to dangerous , they might throw us the last week in august to spend a few pounnd down the country.

papu · 07-03-2021 11:55PM

ujjjjjjjjj wrote: »

Neurotic hysteria.....it is truly staggering what has happened to some people, watching a fella two nights ago walking a dog in an empty park wearing a mask.....I actually don't know what goes through their heads. Total and utter neurosis at this stage.

I wear the mask sometimes just to keep my face warm. Glad I get to live rent free in people's heads for it.

08-03-2021 12:06AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I think the summer will be great because the virus seems a to be seasonal. Numbers are going down and the vaccine is being rolled out. The summer will see most restrictions loosened and lifted.

The questions which remain are about winter - because the virus seems to be seasonal. Whether the numbers stay low enough to avoid reimposing restrictions is the question which remains.

On one hand we have the seasonality of the virus and reduced or completely lifted restrictions (full stadiums, concerts, nightclubs, public transport, Christmas travel etc) and on the other hand we have the majority of the population vaccinated. So what will happen? How high will transmissions go and what will the hospitalisation and death rate be and will we need restrictions to control them?

Those are the big questions which remain. But this summer will be great

Come September lets say we will have far more people vaccinated than in July. Let's say November we reach 80%. I'm not too concerned here about the time frame and percentages, they are just examples. Also let us say Covid is still transmitting away to its hearts content but the health impact is minimal.

I know you don't specify the type of restrictions but surely in the above scenario the economy will be fully open. There may be precautionary measures such as a cap on mass gatherings but events will be going ahead. Free movement around the country will be permitted. The usual things of life will have returned.

Having an effective vaccine that at least prevents serious illness should surely negate any seasonality issues.

Dickie10 · 08-03-2021 12:06AM

people are getting desperate for gloom now if they think restrictions will ever come back in after mid june. ask yourself this, can you see France, Germany etc shutting businesses and schools because there afraid of flu from novemeber -april each winter? some people need a chat with themselves. yes when britain open on june 21 we will be very close behind, do people honestly think there will be border checkpoints by Gardai or PSNI in June? id say in 2 weeks you could go back and forth easily if you wanted. If pubs and hotels are open as normal in Armagh, Derry, Belfast etc, there will be a tailback each friday evening going into the north for the weekend from the republic, same with mainland britain. i will head for Ascot or Goodwood in summer if crowds are not back at racing here.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-03-2021 12:13AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Come September lets say we will have far more people vaccinated than in July. Let's say November we reach 80%. I'm not too concerned here about the time frame and percentages, they are just examples. Also let us say Covid is still transmitting away to its hearts content but the health impact is minimal.

I know you don't specify the type of restrictions but surely in the above scenario the economy will be fully open. There may be precautionary measures such as a cap on mass gatherings but events will be going ahead. Free movement around the country will be permitted. The usual things of life will have returned.

Having an effective vaccine that at least prevents serious illness should surely negate any seasonality issues.

Well, you've answered your own question in the set up. If the health impacts are minimal then no big problem.

The post was about the fact that we don't know what will happen yet. If there's no problem then, no problem.

When will it all end?

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