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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3932
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,960 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You didn't get invited I assume?

    That crack was mildly amusing the first time someone made it, the 20th time not so much...


  • #3933
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You have some weird obsession with equating traffic laws with Covid.
    As for your comments about AGS as with most of your comments, you're clueless.
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You didn't get invited I assume?

    Mod: Personalizing posts is usually a bad idea. Comment on the content of the commentary and not on the person making it.


    Strumms wrote: »
    people need to cop the fûck on and behave.

    Mod: I'm sure you can be more articulate than that if you want to. Try harder.


  • #3934
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,922 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    stargazer 68 wrote: »
    Whole thing makes no sense IMO. I can't go into Penney's and buy knickers, socks, pyjamas etc but I can go to Tesco's and get them. Cant buy balloons in woodies but I can in Mr Price! Can't buy a mirror in the range but I can buy cupcake decorations!

    Well why don't you just go to the shops that do sell them. :confused:

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #3935
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,194 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Well why don't you just go to the shops that do sell them. :confused:

    Not quite my point!


  • #3936
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I was being a bit flippant but my point was that we have harsher restrictions than most other countries at this stage. That's not a straw criticism, it's a fact. The experts in this country are being overcautious. The 5km, construction, and retail closures are ridiculous. The fact we're not using the AZ vaccine on older people is also ridiculous.

    You've got to understand that comparing two geographic locations at different moments in time is pointless. The situation in both regarding the disease profile could be markedly different. A given region's authorities may not actually be making the decision that best suits that area.

    Comparing other regions and their restrictions is silly. What matters is whether the restrictions are appropriate or inappropriate for the area in which they are applied. What's also important is the overall goal of those restrictions.

    Please stop looking at other countries at the same moment of time. It's pointless They got infected at different times, to different levels of disease prevalence, they have different resources, different cultures. What's important is Ireland, its counties and what resources are available, the profile of infection etc.

    One final point, never judge a restriction profile based on the current level of infection judge those restrictions by the level of infection, curtailment of health services, hospitalisation and death, 6-8 weeks from now.


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  • #3937
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Well why don't you just go to the shops that do sell them. :confused:

    It’s not the point. My local Boots has loads of luxury cosmetics counters, they sell Clarins, Estée Lauder, Benefit, Lancôme, not to mention their extensive perfume counter, etc.
    You can buy all the same products at the same counters in Brown Thomas, yet with the exception of a 3 week temporary opening in December, the Brown Thomas staff have been out of work since mid October, with no end date in sight.
    They have been out of work for 14 of the last 17 weeks, while the Boots staff have been able to continue working, earning a wage and getting out of the house every day.

    Same goes for Dunnes, they are selling workout gear, pyjamas, and other basic clothing items as well as having their homeware sections completely open.
    Yet it’s apparently too dangerous for similar shops like Penney’s to open, so their staff are out of work and stuck at home surviving on the PUP.

    There is just no consistency it’s a slap in the face to those trying to live off the €350pw.
    It’s either too dangerous for non essential retail to open or it isn’t. If Dunnes and Boots (among others) are allowed to sell non essential items with zero repercussions or reaction from the government then I don’t see why Brown Thomas and Penney’s and other ‘non essential’ retail can’t open either.


  • #3938
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SusieBlue wrote: »

    There is just no consistency it’s a slap in the face to those trying to live off the €350pw.

    Just on the above.They might not be on €350 pw. The €350 only applies to people who were earning in excess of €400 pw before they were forced out of a job. Four rates apply €203, €250, €300, €350.


  • #3939
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,870 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Doctor Jimbob wrote:
    I was being a bit flippant but my point was that we have harsher restrictions than most other countries at this stage. That's not a straw criticism, it's a fact. The experts in this country are being overcautious. The 5km, construction, and retail closures are ridiculous. The fact we're not using the AZ vaccine on older people is also ridiculous.
    Lockdown isn't easy for anybody but we are not far from being out of this thing so why not just keep the head down and get through the next couple of months and look forward to being back to normal?


  • #3940
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Lockdown isn't easy for anybody but we are not far from being out of this thing so why not just keep the head down and get through the next couple of months and look forward to being back to normal?
    What would also help is politicians not making comments about how little hope there is for the next x months. The rising vaccination totals are a good tonic.


  • #3941
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,213 ✭✭✭prunudo


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Everything presents a risk!

    The longer I stand in one place - the longer my risk of getting hit by falling debris from the sky increases.

    That's a fact.

    Is that you Chicken Licken?


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  • #3942
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    is_that_so wrote: »
    What would also help is politicians not making comments about how little hope there is for the next x months. The rising vaccination totals are a good tonic.

    What way to you want it ? The govt dont say how things are going to be and people moan about the govt not being open and giving them no indication of what to expect. They do indicate what is likely to be, and people complain they shouldnt be making comments about the future restrictions. They cant win.


  • #3943
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    Leo mentioned ICU below 50 as a measure of sustainable levels of disease so we will make him keep to his word!

    I believe we can open outdoor activities, garden meetings, outdoor hospitality and non essential retail and keep ICU below 50 long term from mid April.


  • #3944
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting different results...

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1368613959142682627


  • #3945
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    What way to you want it ? The govt dont say how things are going to be and people moan about the govt not being open and giving them no indication of what to expect. They do indicate what is likely to be, and people complain they shouldnt be making comments about the future restrictions. They cant win.
    It's all down to messaging and keeping people with you. The Martin 9 weeks thing was about the worst way to do that. A shift onto vaccinations as a far more beneficial strategy as it distracts people. Future restrictions should not be mentioned until there is news on them.


  • #3946
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting different results...

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1368613959142682627

    And to think posters on here were looking at Italy easing restrictions to call for Ireland to follow.


  • #3947
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Insanity is doing the same thing again and expecting different results...

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1368613959142682627

    As far as I know Italy has regional restrictions and not a national lockdown. They've had this for 4 months. Bars and restaurants are open to 6pm in areas doing best.


  • #3948
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Leo mentioned ICU below 50 as a measure of sustainable levels of disease so we will make him keep to his word!

    He didnt give his 'word', and was only giving an indication of the criteria.

    He added : "any re-opening that we do, in the next three months certainly, is going to be very gradual. As well as that we would anticipate that social distancing and restrictions on gatherings will remain in place for many months yet - probably into the summer and autumn, unfortunately".


  • #3949
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's all down to messaging and keeping people with you. The Martin 9 weeks thing was about the worst way to do that. A shift onto vaccinations as a far more beneficial strategy as it distracts people. Future restrictions should not be mentioned until there is news on them.

    There will still be people whining then when they do announce future restriction "no, they said is was until the end of March, that was the deal, we did what we were asked, and now what do they do only extend it again. They should have told us this weeks ago instead of only telling us now ", etc, etc. People just like to moan. You have to just ignore them. The politicians, understandably, and correctly, do.


  • #3950
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Leo mentioned ICU below 50 as a measure of sustainable levels of disease so we will make him keep to his word!

    I believe we can open outdoor activities, garden meetings, outdoor hospitality and non essential retail and keep ICU below 50 long term from mid April.
    More likely to be the end of the month for hospitality, but the rest stands a chance. ICU should get to that target and below faster than April if trends continue.


  • #3951
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    3 deaths, 525 cases


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  • #3952
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,064 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Is it me or have the cases not come down as much as we’d hoped for by now?

    Just from driving in my 5km area today (north Kildare) after lunch, huge amounts of people out walking including in big groups. And very much a minority wearing masks outside.


  • #3953
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Wouldn’t take notice about increased hospital numbers over the weekend because there won’t be discharges


  • #3954
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Is it me or have the cases not come down as much as we’d hoped for by now?

    Just from driving in my 5km area today (north Kildare) after lunch, huge amounts of people out walking including in big groups. And very much a minority wearing masks outside.

    Well considering its been 8 weeks or so of level 5 I would yes, but this week has been encouraging compared to the 2 or 3 before that.


  • #3955
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    There will still be people whining then when they do announce future restriction "no they said is was until the end of March, that was the deal, we did what we were asked, and no what do they do only extend it again. They should have told us this weeks ago instead of only telling us now ", etc, etc. People just like to moan. You have to just ignore them. The politicians, understandably, and correctly, do.
    It's not that simple, where we are now there is a lot of fatigue. The messaging needs to mix the hold firm with we're nearly there. We understand 3-4 week cycles, a further no change till May will encourage people to abandon behaviours. An IT poll recently suggested that people believe this is over once we've done the at risk groups.


  • #3956
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Normal One wrote: »
    3 deaths, 525 cases

    Of the cases notified today:

    271 are men / 254 are women
    74% are under 45 years of age
    The median age is 31 years old
    214 in Dublin, 37 in Meath, 28 in Offaly, 28 in Limerick and 25 in Wicklow and the remaining 193 cases are spread across 19 other counties

    -As of 8am today, 423 Covid-19 patients are hospitalised, of which 103 are in ICU.


  • #3957
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Outdoor risk is much lower compared to indoors. Important to remember that. Superspreading indoor events are vey limited atm ( bar college parties it seems ) and schools but masks may mitigate risk.



    https://twitter.com/mugecevik/status/1367520145808248841


  • #3958
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Is it me or have the cases not come down as much as we’d hoped for by now?

    Just from driving in my 5km area today (north Kildare) after lunch, huge amounts of people out walking including in big groups. And very much a minority wearing masks outside.

    The rate of decline slowed down in a big way a number of weeks ago.

    R number around 0.8 at the moment. It was around 0.5 a while back.

    I'm not sure if this increased r number is due to an increased level of misbehaviour in the population or due to an increased prevalence of the UK variant (more transmissible). The UK variant had gone from 50% to 90% of all cases since Christmas i believe.


  • #3959
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Is it me or have the cases not come down as much as we’d hoped for by now?

    Just from driving in my 5km area today (north Kildare) after lunch, huge amounts of people out walking including in big groups. And very much a minority wearing masks outside.
    Masks outside were advised for busy retail areas and Christmas shopping.


  • #3960
    LillyIsland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭LillyIsland


    I want to go to a garden center to get trees for my garden but it's about 30km away, is there any good excuse I could use if I'm stopped? Especially if someone else is with me in the car?


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  • #3961
    SCOOP 64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    LillyIsland wrote: »
    I want to go to a garden center to get trees for my garden but it's about 30km away, is there any good excuse I could use if I'm stopped? Especially if someone else is with me in the car?
    How many checkpoints have you come across lately?


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