WandaVision - Disney+ (Spoilers)

expectationlost · 06-03-2021 12:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Also the final post credits scene was filmed in Ireland. Anyone recognise the location?

the house could be just on a stage...

DrumSteve · 06-03-2021 12:12AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep I read on den of geek that it was Ireland but don't think it was. I jumped to conclusions when I saw the financing from the Irish government in credits.

I think one of the VFX houses was based here.

paulbok · 06-03-2021 12:14AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep I read on den of geek that it was Ireland but don't think it was. I jumped to conclusions when I saw the financing from the Irish government in credits.

On Reddit it's been put down to visual effects being done in an Irish studio. The media would have been all over any filming being done here

paulbok · 06-03-2021 12:18AM

In the final end credit scene when

the Scarlet Witch astral form was reading the book it sounded like her kids were calling out to her for help?

Midnight_EG · 06-03-2021 12:19AM

paulbok wrote: »

In the final end credit scene when
the Scarlet Witch astral form was reading the book it sounded like her kids were calling out to her for help?

Yeah, I reckon she's finding them in another universe.

paulbok · 06-03-2021 12:29AM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Yeah, I reckon she's finding them in another universe.

After it was just explained to me what that book can do, maybe she creates the multiverse?

Damn it, I'm not going down the rabbit hole again :rolleyes:

beakerjoe · 06-03-2021 01:14AM

Well I really enjoyed it. It had an original hook, a story that ties in well with the MCU and a fantastic cast.

While others hate the Erik Peters casting, it was a nice nod from my perspective. People get so worked up. Xmen, when they are introduced, should be a clean slate with a new cast. The QS nod was cool, and people expecting more expect too much.

Loved the Vision v Vision debate.

Overall a fine series which had me hooked and wanting more. Happy with the end product.

quokula · 06-03-2021 01:55AM

This won’t be a popular opinion but by the end the whole arc the show struck me as falling into some pretty sexist tropes. Female superhero turns out to literally be a witch, also creates the whole mess because she couldn’t control her emotions and really just wanted to live happily ever after with husband and kids.

I say this as someone who’s never read the comics and saw most of the films but barely remembers the details as I view them as light and breezy popcorn flicks. So I guess there’s certain obligations to being somewhat faithful to decades old source material, which is somewhat ironic when they used the early sitcom episodes to call out some of those old fashioned attitudes.

pah · 06-03-2021 02:07AM

jface187 wrote: »

The only thing is a couple of nagging questions. Who put the letter in Wanda's car, telling her to go to the house?

It was on the passenger seat of her car if I recall. Nothing to suggest it was left by anyone else or that she was surprised by it. I assume it was something Vision had given her before the events of Infinity War.

06-03-2021 02:14AM

quokula wrote: »

This won’t be a popular opinion but by the end the whole arc the show struck me as falling into some pretty sexist tropes. Female superhero turns out to literally be a witch, also creates the whole mess because she couldn’t control her emotions and really just wanted to live happily ever after with husband and kids.

I say this as someone who’s never read the comics and saw most of the films but barely remembers the details as I view them as light and breezy popcorn flicks. So I guess there’s certain obligations to being somewhat faithful to decades old source material, which is somewhat ironic when they used the early sitcom episodes to call out some of those old fashioned attitudes.

Oh god.....

Really?

06-03-2021 02:14AM

quokula wrote: »

This won’t be a popular opinion but by the end the whole arc the show struck me as falling into some pretty sexist tropes. Female superhero turns out to literally be a witch, also creates the whole mess because she couldn’t control her emotions and really just wanted to live happily ever after with husband and kids.

I say this as someone who’s never read the comics and saw most of the films but barely remembers the details as I view them as light and breezy popcorn flicks. So I guess there’s certain obligations to being somewhat faithful to decades old source material, which is somewhat ironic when they used the early sitcom episodes to call out some of those old fashioned attitudes.

Scarlet witch turns out to be a witch and this surprised you?. Hero struggling to come to grips with their power is a common trope

I think your reaching

Kermit.de.frog · 06-03-2021 02:37AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Absolute load of pish. I'm really annoyed at myself for not quitting on this show early on.

Sure enough, it was a pathetic bait-and-switch on the part of the writers to tease X-Men involvement and then not deliver on it. The show descended into something I've heard Mark Kermode bring up when referring to the MCU: whenever there is an interesting story to be told it invariably fizzles out with a CGI light show in the final act. That's exactly what happened in this episode.

And then I almost fell out of my chair when we were subjected to that laughable bit of dialogue between Monica and Wanda. 'They'll never know what you sacrificed for them'. What was that? Giving up a phony and fictitious family that necessitated them all being incarcerated for weeks in a hellhole where they had their minds controlled? Where they will have probably been traumatised so badly it will affect them for the rest of their days? GTFO out of here. And then Wanda Pissemalloff doesn't even have the decency to apologize for her outrageous selfishness.

I can't help but wonder how these writers would fare had they not got millions of dollars to blow on CGI effects, and had to actually put more thought into crafting storylines that had to make some sort of sense. Overall, this was a dreadful show that relied on cheap gimmicks early on, as well as teasing their audience, in order to mask what was, ultimately, a very bland, boring storyline involving bland, boring and mostly made-up characters.

I thought it was ok for what it is - dumb superhero entertainment.

You are judging it at a bar the genre does not pretend to meet nor can it given the subject mater.

If you accept it for what it is I thought it was fine. Entertaining. If you go looking for great narrative, screenplay, story...you are obviously going to be disappointed.

brevity · 06-03-2021 03:22AM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

And then I almost fell out of my chair when we were subjected to that laughable bit of dialogue between Monica and Wanda. 'They'll never know what you sacrificed for them'. What was that? Giving up a phony and fictitious family that necessitated them all being incarcerated for weeks in a hellhole where they had their minds controlled? Where they will have probably been traumatised so badly it will affect them for the rest of their days? GTFO out of here. And then Wanda Pissemalloff doesn't even have the decency to apologize for her outrageous selfishness.

This frustrated me too. She locked kids away from their parents ffs. It’s like the writers forgot (or were told) she’s supposed to be a good guy/gal.

For a minute I thought that there was gonna be a bit of a twist that Agatha was going save the town and pull Wanda out of her dream world. Not necessarily to be a hero but to mess with Wanda’s head (destroying her family etc). Would have preferred this tbh.

flazio · 06-03-2021 08:02AM

paulbok wrote: »

In the final end credit scene when
the Scarlet Witch astral form was reading the book it sounded like her kids were calling out to her for help?

The subtitles confirmed who it was and what they were saying.

The Phantom Pain · 06-03-2021 09:05AM

quokula wrote: »

This won’t be a popular opinion but by the end the whole arc the show struck me as falling into some pretty sexist tropes. Female superhero turns out to literally be a witch, also creates the whole mess because she couldn’t control her emotions and really just wanted to live happily ever after with husband and kids.

I say this as someone who’s never read the comics and saw most of the films but barely remembers the details as I view them as light and breezy popcorn flicks. So I guess there’s certain obligations to being somewhat faithful to decades old source material, which is somewhat ironic when they used the early sitcom episodes to call out some of those old fashioned attitudes.

As predicted, the knee jerk freak-out at the mention of the word 'sexist' came right on time. :rolleyes:

Pay no mind to it. I get being critical of art in regards to how certain groups in are portrayed because of the way they are treated in our society. That said, I don't think it was sexist. As has been mentioned, you could probably apply this trope to the Hulk or even Tony Stark or Zemo in Civil War.

Penn · 06-03-2021 09:10AM

brevity wrote: »

This frustrated me too. She locked kids away from their parents ffs. It’s like the writers forgot (or were told) she’s supposed to be a good guy/gal.

For a minute I thought that there was gonna be a bit of a twist that Agatha was going save the town and pull Wanda out of her dream world. Not necessarily to be a hero but to mess with Wanda’s head (destroying her family etc). Would have preferred this tbh.

Wanda didn't intentionally lock all the kids in rooms. Same way she thought she was making all the Westview residents happy but wasn't able to see the pain they were suffering on the inside.

The entire Westview thing wasn't planned but was borne solely out of emotion, she had little control over its creation. Everyone looked and sounded happy because they always are in perfect sitcom worlds. And so she didn't feel or notice the damage she was doing in the background.

I think it makes it more interesting that Wanda was the real cause of the Westview situation, and that she's not "the goodie who fights the baddie". It's a more extreme version of Tony Stark in a way (because I watched Iron Man last night). Tony was more than happy to profit off his weapons business and revel in the destruction, but didn't notice that Stane was selling his weapons to the terrorists to help create those profits and fuel wars. So Tony had to come to terms with his role in it all and destroy it from the inside. Likewise Wanda thought she was making all the residents of Westview happy and she could have the perfect life she dreamed of. But when she started to see the destruction and pain she was causing (not just to the residents but also to Vision) and that Agatha was going to take her power and could cause more pain and destruction, Wanda realised she had to destroy it all and learn to live with her pain.

It's a fairly classic trope, but it's more interesting than if Wanda was also just trapped by Agatha/Mephisto/A.N.Other like the rest of Westview.

Sakana · 06-03-2021 12:51PM

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

bland, boring and mostly made-up characters.

Aren't all characters made up?

pjohnson · 06-03-2021 12:52PM

Sakana wrote: »

Aren't all characters made up?

Wait so Raccoons and Tree's dont actually talk?

Sakana · 06-03-2021 12:58PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Wait so Raccoons and Tree's dont actually talk?

Depends on what you're on.

ShaneU · 06-03-2021 03:15PM

Really enjoyed this. Haven't read any comics and only seen the Avengers movies once so all of these nods, winks and red herrings you're talking about went straight over my head. X-men? what?

RedRochey · 06-03-2021 04:31PM

So did Evan Pieters character have superspeed already or did agatha give him that power?

Penn · 06-03-2021 04:37PM

RedRochey wrote: »

So did Evan Pieters character have superspeed already or did agatha give him that power?

Agatha gave him the power through the necklace he had on.

FunLover18 · 06-03-2021 04:44PM

I definitely need to watch it again now that my expectations have been lowered because I did find that underwhelming and I think, like others have mentioned, my expectations were heavily influenced by the speculation and theories when in reality the story was a very simple one and that’s not necessarily a criticism.

I was disappointed by the “villains” however, I thought they were poorly written in terms of their motives and when you look back at the show they never really posed any threat. Neither Agatha nor Hayward were proactive in any meaningful way, in fact for the majority of the series they were as clueless as to what was going on as the audience which isn’t something you want from your big bad. Agatha spent 1-2 weeks pretending to fit in as the nosy neighbour trying to figure out what Wanda is up to and then turns into a fairly rote “I want your power” villain, we don’t know why she wants her power or what she wants to do with it, we really don’t know anything about Agatha or what she’s been up to since the witch trial scene, which is a shame because I think they could have had a lot more fun with her being immortal and utilised Hahn more. She was way more entertaining in her nosy neighbour character but as soon as the reveal happened, that playfulness and sense of mischief vanished, the Wizard of Oz reference was good but it was a visual gag where Agatha wasn’t even on screen. I wanted to see the villain who would think to do that and I didn’t.

Hayward also was just a run of the mill evil military man who wanted a new toy to play with and similar to Agatha he was an observer of Wandavision from the outset. Why send White Vision to destroy Vision when he literally witnessed Vision falling apart when he tried to leave the Hex, why send WV into the Hex at all when you already have what you want. Again I felt his motives and characterisation were weak.

I enjoyed the Vision off (Visioff?), the way they used their phasing powers against each other was really cool and inventive and as has been said the philosophical climax was very clever. I am also confused as to what happened WV though and find it strange that no one in the show seemed to care about this. I wish I could say I enjoyed Wanda vs Agatha as much but two people throwing balls of light at each other was really boring and disappointing, maybe they used all the budget on the Visions but I expected a lot more from two witches who can manipulate reality.

A few other small things that annoyed me:

What took Vision so long to get to Wanda from the van, a small nitpick
Agatha spent so long manipulating Vision, almost encouraging him to see the truth and I don’t think we got a single noteable interaction between them in the finale
I’m still confused as to how Agatha gave Ralph super speed

I just needed to get all the negatives feelings out there, overall I did enjoy and I think I’ll enjoy it more when I rewatch it with the knowledge of what’s coming.

On the Evan Peters’s casting; I’ve made my views clear before, I think it was a really fun wink but more importantly I thought he was great in the role and he had good chemistry with Olsen. There does seem to be a note of fan entitlement in some posts I’ve seen, I get that people are disappointed but to take it as personally as some people seem to be is a bit much.

expectationlost · 06-03-2021 05:35PM

how much of this was shot during the pandemic?

The White Wolf · 06-03-2021 05:40PM

I think it's harsh to call it fan entitlement given it was clearly stunt casting to boost hype for the show.

But it is what it is, I'm not going to waste further breath on it other than say I hope to see more of Peters in the MCU.

Penn · 06-03-2021 05:44PM

The White Wolf wrote: »

I think it's harsh to call it fan entitlement given it was clearly stunt casting to boost hype for the show.

But it is what it is, I'm not going to waste further breath on it other than say I hope to see more of Peters in the MCU.

If there's one thing the MCU needs, it's more Bohner!

Lithium93_ · 06-03-2021 05:44PM

expectationlost wrote: »

how much of this was shot during the pandemic?

They restarted in September 2020, and wrapped in November, so 2 months

Foxtrol · 06-03-2021 05:49PM

jface187 wrote: »

Going into it my other half had told me that Mephisto was going to be in (She had seen a funko pop of him apparently), The Paul Bettany interview where he talked about working with someone he always wanted to work with and assuming that Doctor Strange to pop up.

When none of these things happened, I didn't mind. I enjoyed it without any of that stuff.

The only thing is a couple of nagging questions. Who put the letter in Wanda's car, telling her to go to the house? and Quicksilver casting leads to nothing really.

Watching the post-credit scene, I got evil dead vibes, I know Rami doing Doctor Strange 2, so probably why it poped into my head.

General consensus is that Bettany was talking about working with himself

Brian CivilEng · 06-03-2021 05:52PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

They restarted in September 2020, and wrapped in November, so 2 months

So maybe that was why the characters didn't seem to interact with each other much in the last episode. I was wondering if that was the reason.

Penn · 06-03-2021 05:54PM

Brian CivilEng wrote: »

So maybe that was why the characters didn't seem to interact with each other much in the last episode. I was wondering if that was the reason.

Even when all the residents approach Wanda at the Plaza, they all seemed to stay a few steps back from her and each other, not getting too close.

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