Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

normanoffside · 06-03-2021 12:04PM

It should also be pointed out that Glynn’s wife is an RTE news reader. To pretend that he has no awareness how the media will pick up on his remarks and comments is tantamount to sticking your head in the sand. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

FintanMcluskey · 06-03-2021 12:04PM

Are the posters who are in total support of the EUs longest and costliest mitigation measures, to prevent spreading a transmissible respiratory illness, going to support these measures for the rest of time?

Or is there a number of deaths people would be happy with every year?

Boggles · 06-03-2021 12:04PM

JRant wrote: »

They should not have counted those stillborns as COVID deaths until absolutely sure.

You know enough to know at this stage how suspected deaths are reported.

But again in reality which you also know is that has nothing to do with NPHET.

Glynn saw 0-97 in the report and went "what the fúck is this".

Then decided to get ahead of something and dampen fears because he would have been bombarded with questions if he let it just hang there.

Or he is a wicked man who seized on the opportunity to terrify people?

Which do you think is more plausible?

06-03-2021 12:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

Or he is a wicked man who seized on the opportunity to terrify people?

Which do you think is more plausible?

He is not a wicked man, but that action was wicked - that's for sure.

Boggles · 06-03-2021 12:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He is not a wicked man, but that action was wicked - that's for sure.

That's the version you have in your mind and will not let go of.

That is up to you, no one else.

robindch · 06-03-2021 12:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But with COVID-19, some people throw these conventions out and refer to COVID-19 in all its forms - symptomatic and asymptomatic - as "The Disease". And it's done to add some extra malevolence to the infection.

People use the term "the disease" in common speech because covid-19 is a disease and it's the one which is currently foremost in people's minds. It's a kind of a short-hand, if you will. A different name for the same thing introduced because language becomes dull if we use the same words all the time.

I take it that you are equally offended and/or frightened by people - say - asking you things like "are you watching the match today?" when it would be clear from context which match they're referring to?

Deleted User wrote: »

c) used to add malevolence to the virus, far more than it deserves

As above, if it offends you or frightens you, then there's a very simple solution - you shouldn't use the term and you should avoid discussing it, and you should avoid forums where the term might show up, like this forum.

landofthetree · 06-03-2021 12:20PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Out of date article, is out of date article.

From the same source you quoted from, here is what you forgot to quote.

Terrible vaccines numbers and very little opening up.

Same as us really.

Its not a plan at all. Boris has a plan.

TP_CM · 06-03-2021 12:20PM

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how many old and vulnerable people do we have in the Republic of Ireland? I see we're about to pass the 500k vaccination mark over the weekend. Say almost 250k 2nd vaccination doses. Would you reckon if we get to about 500k people double dosed before the middle of March, it's fair to say most of the old and vulnerable are protected allowing us to have a pint on Paddy's day?

Paddy's day probably too close in fairness. But maybe the end of March?

06-03-2021 12:22PM

robindch wrote: »

People use the term "the disease" in common speech because covid-19 is a disease and it's the one which is currently foremost in people's minds. It's a kind of a short-hand, if you will. A different name for the same thing introduced because language becomes dull if we use the same words all the time.

I take it that you are equally offended and/or frightened by people - say - asking you things like "are you watching the match today?" when it would be clear from context which match they're referring to?As above, if it offends you or frightens you, then there's a very simple solution - you shouldn't use the term and you should avoid discussing it, and you should avoid forums where the term might show up, like this forum.

It's inaccurate use of language; period.

06-03-2021 12:23PM

TP_CM wrote: »

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how many old and vulnerable people do we have in the Republic of Ireland? I see we're about to pass the 500k vaccination mark over the weekend. Say almost 250k 2nd vaccination doses. Would you reckon if we get to about 500k people double dosed before the middle of March, it's fair to say most of the old and vulnerable are protected allowing us to have a pint on Paddy's day?

Paddy's day probably too close in fairness. But maybe the end of March?

There are around 650,000 over-65s in Ireland - the cohort responsible for 92% of all COVID-19 related deaths.

Not sure what the "vulnerable" total is.

landofthetree · 06-03-2021 12:27PM

Nothing is opening up here till Aug/Sep if we keep listen to Nphet.

Level 4 for a few weeks and then back to level 5 by mid Oct.

Housing minister says 'no guarantees' that construction will resume on April 5

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40238570.html

landofthetree · 06-03-2021 12:30PM

TP_CM wrote: »

Sorry if this has been asked before, but how many old and vulnerable people do we have in the Republic of Ireland? I see we're about to pass the 500k vaccination mark over the weekend. Say almost 250k 2nd vaccination doses. Would you reckon if we get to about 500k people double dosed before the middle of March, it's fair to say most of the old and vulnerable are protected allowing us to have a pint on Paddy's day?

Paddy's day probably too close in fairness. But maybe the end of March?

Nphet wont even allow outdoor construction in April.

Pints wont be allowed till at least Sep.

Its going to be the summer of "far right" riots.

06-03-2021 12:34PM

landofthetree wrote: »

Nphet wont even allow outdoor construction in April.

Pints wont be allowed till at least Sep.

Its going to be the summer of "far right" riots.

After the 650,000 over-65s have been vaccinated, the next excuse against opening up will be, "But the health service will become overwhelmed if too many under-65s catch the virus".

When 18-65s are vaccinated, the next excuse will be, "...but there are three new variants out there, which can infect enough vaccinated people to cause many hospitalizations".

Then a new vaccine will be developed to account for these variants before October, and Holohan will be back with, "We cannot open up safely until everyone has had two doses of this new vaccine. Lv.5 restrictions until at least January 2022".

It's a neverending disaster, for Ireland anyway.

The above probably won't happen, but you can certainly imagine some version of it happening.

TP_CM · 06-03-2021 12:36PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There are around 650,000 over-65s in Ireland - the cohort responsible for 92% of all COVID-19 related deaths.

Not sure what the "vulnerable" total is.

Thanks. The vulnerable is probably difficult to define actually. Or with those in a grey area at least. It would be nice if restrictions were relaxed when we hit the 750k mark. So much is riding on whether these vaccines will be delivered to ireland in the first place.

TP_CM · 06-03-2021 12:52PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The above probably won't happen, but you can certainly imagine some version of it happening.

Why do you think the government likes it like this? Surely they want things to open up asap?

KanyeSouthEast · 06-03-2021 12:57PM

Funny thing is anytime I head to the shops etc the place is full of the old and the “vulnerable”. No problem obviously with that but aren’t these the people that should be limiting their movements.

KanyeSouthEast · 06-03-2021 12:59PM

TP_CM wrote: »

Why do you think the government likes it like this? Surely they want things to open up asap?

The country is being ruled by NPHET and supported by Facebook and the permanently outraged and permanently vulnerable I think is the point though. There is no government much less an opposition or a press.

landofthetree · 06-03-2021 01:04PM

Herd immunity’ elusive until children vaccinated, Israeli state adviser says.
Mr Balicer warned, however, that herd immunity, which describes a population-wide immunity threshold that would effectively signify the end of the virus as a major threat, will remain out of reach until a vaccine has been officially approved for children under 16, who make up 30 per cent of Israel’s population. He suggested herd immunity is not expected until more than 75 per cent of the total population gets vaccinated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/herd-immunity-elusive-until-children-vaccinated-israeli-state-adviser-says-1.4500403%3fmode=amp

This will be the excuse next winter.

Suddenly Nphet will be telling us that Covid runs riot in schools and we have to lockdown.

corcaigh07 · 06-03-2021 01:04PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Well Ive just sent another email to my TD list with exactly the concerns regarding the covid placentitis. I don't expect a reply as they wont engage at all but I feel better doing it.

Do you have that list again and what your email looked like? I'll try and draft one up tonight

iamwhoiam · 06-03-2021 01:06PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Funny thing is anytime I head to the shops etc the place is full of the old and the “vulnerable”. No problem obviously with that but aren’t these the people that should be limiting their movements.

They still need to eat .

KanyeSouthEast · 06-03-2021 01:10PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

They still need to eat .

Where did I say they didn’t? I’m just making an observation that’s all. I need to work and I can’t currently.

Sharpyshoot · 06-03-2021 01:19PM

M Martin home country having a protest today. Let’s see what fleadh ceoil that brings.

TP_CM · 06-03-2021 01:27PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

The country is being ruled by NPHET and supported by Facebook and the permanently outraged and permanently vulnerable I think is the point though. There is no government much less an opposition or a press.

Surely even the folks at NPHET want to go on hols too. I'd say once the old and vulnerable are vaccinated we'll see a reduction in restrictions. The government is losing too much money on this. They've ignored NPHET's advice before so I don't think they've lost complete control. Leo has his hols booked for the summer, I'm sure he'll want to have a few pints somewhere. If anything that might determine it!

06-03-2021 01:58PM

Boggles wrote: »

You know enough to know at this stage how suspected deaths are reported.

But again in reality which you also know is that has nothing to do with NPHET.

Glynn saw 0-97 in the report and went "what the fúck is this".

Then decided to get ahead of something and dampen fears because he would have been bombarded with questions if he let it just hang there.

Or he is a wicked man who seized on the opportunity to terrify people?

Which do you think is more plausible?

Why are they using the word 'mutant' instead of 'mutation'?

FintanMcluskey · 06-03-2021 02:01PM

Something I mentioned for a few months was a lack of focus by media highlighting the risk of obesity and need to address the issue with great importance.

The message should be hit the gym, not stay at home

https://www.worldobesityday.org/assets/downloads/COVID-19-and-Obesity-The-2021-Atlas.pdf

As we show in this report, increased bodyweight is the second greatest predictor of hospitalisation and a high risk of death for people suffering from COVID-19. Only old age rates as a higher risk factor.
The unprecedented economic costs of COVID-19 are largely due to the measures taken to avoid the excess hospitalisation and need for treatment of the disease. Reducing one major risk factor, overweight, would have resulted in far less stress on health services and reduced the need to protect those services from being overwhelmed.
We show that in those countries where overweight affects only a minority of the adult population, the rates of death from COVID-19 are typically less than one tenth the levels found in countries where overweight affects the majority of adults.
We also show that the drivers of overweight – especially high levels of consumption of processed foods – are associated with mortality from COVID-19.
Lastly, we show that COVID-19 is not a special case: a number of other respiratory viruses lead to more severe consequences in people living with excess bodyweight, giving good reasons to expect the next pandemic to have similar effects.

Old age and obesity is the cause of the severity of this disease. Let nobody say it’s not a 1st world illness.

Would we even need a vaccine of obesity wasn’t so prevalent?

JRant · 06-03-2021 02:03PM

Boggles wrote: »

You know enough to know at this stage how suspected deaths are reported.

But again in reality which you also know is that has nothing to do with NPHET.

Glynn saw 0-97 in the report and went "what the fúck is this".

Then decided to get ahead of something and dampen fears because he would have been bombarded with questions if he let it just hang there.

Or he is a wicked man who seized on the opportunity to terrify people?

Which do you think is more plausible?

I think some faceless bureaucrat decided to put them down on the daily report with no a shred of evidence to back up their claim. Deaths get added to amd removed from the total all the time. There was zero reason to have the stillborn deaths added. It could have waited.

And, No, I don't think Fylnn is a wicked man. As I already said there is nothing nefarious about any of them. They are just super conservative anti mainstream science.

zerosugarbuzz · 06-03-2021 02:05PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

Funny thing is anytime I head to the shops etc the place is full of the old and the “vulnerable”. No problem obviously with that but aren’t these the people that should be limiting their movements.

Thats been said here since this time last year. Wait and see as soon as they are vaccinated they will be the very ones refusing to obey the restrictions.

Boggles · 06-03-2021 02:14PM

JRant wrote: »

I think some faceless bureaucrat decided to put them down on the daily report with no a shred of evidence to back up their claim. Deaths get added to amd removed from the total all the time. There was zero reason to have the stillborn deaths added. It could have waited.

Denotification comes after they get added. Obviously.

Also coroners are the complete polar opposite of bureaucrats.

JRant wrote: »

And, No, I don't think Fylnn is a wicked man. As I already said there is nothing nefarious about any of them. They are just super conservative anti mainstream science.

Mainstream science is the very essence of conservatism.

JRant · 06-03-2021 02:21PM

Boggles wrote: »

Denotification comes after they get added. Obviously.

Also coroners are the complete polar opposite of bureaucrats.

Mainstream science is the very essence of conservatism.

Were they judged to be COVID deaths by the coroner?

Hellrazer · 06-03-2021 02:58PM

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Do you have that list again and what your email looked like? I'll try and draft one up tonight

Here you go.

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings