When will it all end?

05-03-2021 02:10PM

gozunda wrote: »

Its not worrying at all. The restrictions are for dealing with the actual pandemic. Once infection rates don't result in significant case numbers and / or are well below normal ICU capacity - then there's no need for any plan '0' or otherwise.

Possibly if there's a resurgence at some point then may be revisted. Put at this stage that's in the realms of speculation.

Its like its some big conspiracy or something. And despite that been pushed continuously -thats remains firmly Tinfoil hat territory tbh

I hope you're right, but I think it would put a lot of people's mind at ease if there was a level 0 in that plan. In a country with no opposition it's especially important that there be a level 0 since we can't rely on it being called for or pushed for.

Plumbthedepths · 05-03-2021 02:10PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I'm not pessimistic, I'm rather realistic.
Last year, exactly one year ago, I was told that this emergency would have lasted a few weeks, or a few months, and everything would have been fine before summer. I was saying the opposite, and here we are.
Same for a few more predictions.
Hopefully I'm wrong this time, but I have a bit of history

Last year we knew very little about the virus. We now know so much more we have different treatments and 5 vaccines 3 approved , two waiting approval. All showing better efficiency than the annual flu jab.
I would suggest your mindset is stuck in March 2020. Time to move on.

Irish Stones · 05-03-2021 02:11PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

You can’t compare last year to this year. We had no vaccines last year ( btw some said there would be never a vaccine or it woild take years but here we are)

The vaccines are proven to work so the outlook is totally different to last year’s comparison.

I agree with you, but people's last year forecasts were long before the vaccines came into the talks. Most people would think this thing would have gone on its own in a very short time, while I was disagreeing. This was the meaning of my previous post

Scotty # · 05-03-2021 02:12PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The amount of delusion in this post is hilarious.:pac:

What, you think once lockdown is over that's it? People are just going to forget about covid? Everytime someone get's a fit of coughing for the next ten years it won't be on people's minds? And you've the neck to call him deluded? Ohh the irony!!!!

Micky 32 · 05-03-2021 02:17PM

Scotty # wrote: »

What, you think once lockdown is over that's it? People are just going to forget about covid? Everytime someone get's a fit of coughing for the next ten years it won't be on people's minds? And you've the neck to call him deluded? Ohh the irony!!!!

Forget about Covid? No but people will get on with their lives. My advice to you is if you’re that neurotic stay home and lock yourself in your bedroom. I couldn’t careless what you do.

If I’m vaccinated and I’m unlucky enough to be standing by someone who takes a fit of coughing I’ll calmly walk away and be glad I’m vaccinated and unlikely to end up in hospital.

This is coming to an end whether you like it or not. If people think SD is here to say it is delusional.

05-03-2021 02:18PM

Scotty # wrote: »

What, you think once lockdown is over that's it? People are just going to forget about covid? Everytime someone get's a fit of coughing for the next ten years it won't be on people's minds? And you've the neck to call him deluded? Ohh the irony!!!!

The long-term societal damage will be immense.

Irish Stones · 05-03-2021 02:20PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Forget about Covid? No but people will get on with their lives. My advice to you is if you’re that neurotic stay home and lock yourself in your bedroom.

If I’m vaccinated and I’m unlucky enough to be standing by someone who takes a fit of coughing I’ll calmly walk away and be glad I’m vaccinated and unlikely to end up in hospital.

This is coming to an end whether you like it or not. If people think SD is here to say it is delusional.

Would you have calmly walked away from them before this pandemic?

Micky 32 · 05-03-2021 02:21PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

I agree with you, but people's last year forecasts were long before the vaccines came into the talks. Most people would think this thing would have gone on its own in a very short time, while I was disagreeing. This was the meaning of my previous post

You couldn’t blame people thinking and hoping it would be over soon. But as i said in my last post you’re still stuck in 2020. The future is now different.

Scotty # · 05-03-2021 02:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The long-term societal damage will be immense.

People still say God Bless You after a sneeze since the Black Death. We're not forgetting about covid in our life times.

Masks and social distancing will still be common place, maybe not because of restrictions but certainly people will be more weary of germs, contamination, etc.

Micky 32 · 05-03-2021 02:22PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Would you have calmly walked away from them before this pandemic?

Probably. I don’t fancy anyone coughing over me Covid or not. Either way that wouldn’t stop my life being normal.

05-03-2021 02:24PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Forget about Covid? No but people will get on with their lives. My advice to you is if you’re that neurotic stay home and lock yourself in your bedroom. I couldn’t careless what you do.

If I’m vaccinated and I’m unlucky enough to be standing by someone who takes a fit of coughing I’ll calmly walk away and be glad I’m vaccinated and unlikely to end up in hospital.

This is coming to an end whether you like it or not. If people think SD is here to say it is delusional.

A minority will get on with their lives. I'm all for getting on with life, but I think loads of people will never recover. Or it will take them years to recover. That's not being hysterical. It's based on what I have observed for months. I'm not being negative for the sake of being negative. Ireland doesn't have something similar to the Russian 'avos'. That would make a big difference. But I hope I'm wrong and will be delighted if I am. I'll certainly be getting on with my life.

seansouth36 · 05-03-2021 02:24PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

Last pandemics never had such an amount and level of restrictions applied either.

Totally wrong, which you would know if you had read any history on the Spanish Flu and the restrictions in place then across the world.

Micky 32 · 05-03-2021 02:25PM

Scotty # wrote: »

People still say God Bless You after a sneeze since the Black Death. We're not forgetting about covid in our life times.

Masks and social distancing will still be common place, maybe not because of restrictions but certainly people will be more weary of germs, contamination, etc.

Maybe for a while, but it will wear off. You reckon everyone in pubs and restaurants will be wearing masks in the future?

Micky 32 · 05-03-2021 02:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A minority will get on with their lives. I'm all for getting on with life, but I think loads of people will never recover. Or it will take them years to recover. That's not being hysterical. It's based on what I have observed for months. I'm not being negative for the sake of being negative. Ireland doesn't have something similar to the Russian 'avos'. That would make a big difference. But I hope I'm wrong and will be delighted if I am. I'll certainly be getting on with my life.

You could be right. But thankfully that won’t be me.

Irish Stones · 05-03-2021 02:26PM

Scotty # wrote: »

We're not forgetting about covid in our life times.

Masks and social distancing will still be common place, maybe not because of restrictions but certainly people will be more weary of germs, contamination, etc.

I agree 100% with the quoted above.

seansouth36 · 05-03-2021 02:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A minority will get on with their lives. I'm all for getting on with life, but I think loads of people will never recover. Or it will take them years to recover. That's not being hysterical. It's based on what I have observed for months. I'm not being negative for the sake of being negative. Ireland doesn't have something similar to the Russian 'avos'. That would make a big difference. But I hope I'm wrong and will be delighted if I am. I'll certainly be getting on with my life.

I am curious what you "observed for months" that means "loads of people will never recover" from this. You keep coming out with bizarre statements (and things that are just factually incorrect).

Looking forward to seeing how you can extrapolate from personal observations that "loads of people will never recover."

You seem slightly unhinged.

Scotty # · 05-03-2021 02:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Maybe for a while, but it will wear off. You reckon everyone in pubs and restaurants will be wearing masks in the future?

No, not everyone, but there will be a section of society that will always err on the safe side and wear a mask whenever they are in close proximity to strangers like public transport, aeroplanes, events, etc.

First thing you're told when you get vaccinated.. "now you're still going to have to wear your mask".

Irish Stones · 05-03-2021 02:29PM

seansouth36 wrote: »

Totally wrong, which you would know if you had read any history on the Spanish Flu and the restrictions in place then across the world.

And what about all the other pandemics after the Spanish Flu? How many restrictions did the authorities apply during them? And how hard were these compared to those we have now?

seansouth36 · 05-03-2021 02:30PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Maybe for a while, but it will wear off. You reckon everyone in pubs and restaurants will be wearing masks in the future?

People weren't wearing masks in restaurants or pubs last summer when there were no vaccines. Why in God's name would people be wearing masks in pubs/restaurants after this is over?

VG31 · 05-03-2021 02:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A minority will get on with their lives. I'm all for getting on with life, but I think loads of people will never recover. Or it will take them years to recover. That's not being hysterical. It's based on what I have observed for months. I'm not being negative for the sake of being negative. Ireland doesn't have something similar to the Russian 'avos'. That would make a big difference. But I hope I'm wrong and will be delighted if I am. I'll certainly be getting on with my life.

I think the vast majority of young people will move on very quickly.
In the case of elderly people in particular, some may never fully move on. People who were too afraid to leave their houses over the last year are unlikely to suddenly go back to normal.

Micky 32 · 05-03-2021 02:30PM

Scotty # wrote: »

No, not everyone, but there will be a section of society that will always err on the safe side and wear a mask whenever they are in close proximity to strangers like public transport, aeroplanes, events, etc.

First thing you're told when you get vaccinated.. "now you're still going to have to wear your mask".

I have totally nothing against people who want to maintain mask wearing etc it’s their decision.

bucketybuck · 05-03-2021 02:33PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yep, and i’ll say it again and stand by it. ICU’s won’t be packed with Covid 19 in October.

They will be packed with something else instead.

That seems to be the part you are ignoring. Our health service has always been at breaking point, I have posted it before but here is a headline from Dec 31st 2019:

Flu death toll rises as Ireland faces five more weeks in the danger zone:
Hospitals across the country are creaking at the seams

If Covid disappeared tomorrow our health service would still be at breaking point next winter, just as it was every other winter.

But what's different now is that for a full year we have been restricting society to help our "front line heroes", we have locked down and prevented people from living to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed.

And yet here you are telling us that in the future we won't lock down to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed. Really? Have you been asleep this past 9 months?

I guarantee that come next winter when hospitals will again be under non-covid pressure, there will be an inevitable cohort of do-gooders calling for NPHET to take action to protect our front line heroes and social media shaming of anybody who dares to push back against it. After all, who could possibly have a problem with wanting to protect older people...

seansouth36 · 05-03-2021 02:34PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

And what about all the other pandemics after the Spanish Flu? How many restrictions did the authorities apply during them? And how hard were these compared to those we have now?

What other global pandemics were there? The fact that most people barely even know about the Spanish Flu (or any other pandemic) shows that the restrictions were lifted. In the case of more local pandemics such as Ebola, restrictions were far worse then there are in Ireland right now.

And what's the link between severity of restrictions the idea that they will continue after the pandemic ends?

05-03-2021 02:35PM

VG31 wrote: »

I think the vast majority of young people will move on very quickly.
In the case of elderly people in particular, some may never fully move on. People who were too afraid to leave there houses over the last year are unlikely to suddenly go back to normal.

I agree.

It's the elderly I was referring to in the main. One reads about elderly people not having left the house once since March of last year.

VG31 · 05-03-2021 02:35PM

seansouth36 wrote: »

People weren't wearing masks in restaurants or pubs last summer when there were no vaccines. Why in God's name would people be wearing masks in pubs/restaurants after this is over?

Last August/September 95% of people did the bare minimum with mask wearing, only wearing them where they were mandatory. Social distancing was much less apparent than last spring or this winter.

I'd be suprised if the same doesn't happen this summer. The seasonal decrease in cases over the next few months, along with vaccines means people will relax again.

Plumbthedepths · 05-03-2021 02:35PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Masks and social distancing will still be common place, maybe not because of restrictions but certainly (SOME) people will be more weary of germs, contamination, etc.

FTFY

drunkmonkey · 05-03-2021 02:37PM

Scotty # wrote: »

First thing you're told when you get vaccinated.. "now you're still going to have to wear your mask".

That's something they need to work on, I'm not vaccine sceptical but if that rule stays I don't see any point in getting a jab.
I really don't know how a lot of people are going to stop wearing them, I've met them in the burren, driving alone on Motorways, walking around town on a quite night, on the beach, their brains have been badly warped, not only have they a fear of people, it's also of the air space around them.

Scotty # · 05-03-2021 02:37PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I have totally nothing against people who want to maintain mask wearing etc it’s their decision.

I think you're a little naive if you don't think we're going to be required to wear masks for at least the next 12 months. No matter how well the vaccines go there is still going to be the threat of outbreaks and possibly of outbreaks with variants. I'm not predicting there will be!! But they are going to very much err on the side of caution. This is going to be a VERY slow easing of restrictions.

Micky 32 · 05-03-2021 02:38PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

They will be packed with something else instead.

That seems to be the part you are ignoring. Our health service has always been at breaking point, I have posted it before but here is a headline from Dec 31st 2019:

If Covid disappeared tomorrow our health service would still be at breaking point next winter, just as it was every other winter.

But what's different now is that for a full year we have been restricting society to help our "front line heroes", we have locked down and prevented people from living to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed.

And yet here you are telling us that in the future we won't lock down to ensure that our health service doesn't get overwhelmed. Really? Have you been asleep this past 9 months?

I guarantee that come next winter when hospitals will again be under non-covid pressure, there will be an inevitable cohort of do-gooders calling for NPHET to take action to protect our front line heroes and social media shaming of anybody who dares to push back against it. After all, who could possibly have a problem with wanting to protect older people...

Oh dear lots of hysteria today on the forum. I guess that’s why we were lockdown winter 2019, 2018, 2017 right?

05-03-2021 02:38PM

seansouth36 wrote: »

I am curious what you "observed for months" that means "loads of people will never recover" from this. You keep coming out with bizarre statements (and things that are just factually incorrect).

Looking forward to seeing how you can extrapolate from personal observations that "loads of people will never recover."

You seem slightly unhinged.

People crossing the road to avoid walking past people on the footpath, elderly people who live alone wearing masks in their own home, people not having left the house once since March 2020. It will take those people a long time to recover in my opinion. It's not to be unhinged to hold that opinion.

When will it all end?

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