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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I hope you're right, but I just don't see any evidence of them being lifted. The fact that there's no level 0 in the "living with covid" plan is extremely worrying.

    There’s lots of evidence. Research the effectivenes of the vaccines. The news gets better everyday. HCW that were vaccinated are no longer getting sick, RTE had a headline about it yesterday.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 ✭✭Chawosfski


    I'd share your sentiment that people won't put up with it once the numbers decrease, little choice but to open up.

    Restrictions though, MM won't go against NPHET if they demand coppers doesn't reopen this year, the scary variants remember. Also the flu are we going to let it back after eradication. Some serious battles ahead between public health and government.

    They'd need to disband Nphet by that stage


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    So we know nothing is going to change in terms of restrictions until early April at earliest. What kinds of numbers do we need at that stage do people think in terms of cases, hospitalisations, ICU and vaccines to see any decent dropping of restrictions? Personally, I think they'll open construction from then and click and collect which many would argue neither of which should have been stopped at all. I think they'll increase the 5km to 10km as a token gesture to try keep people onside.

    Personally, Id ike to see household visits allowed at country wide but even county wide be a good step.
    I would go for household visits before opening non essential shops and my logic is this. Its a lot easier police keeping shops closed than stopping people visiting other households. A lot of people are already visiting other households so it won't have as big an effect as people might think. Everytime shops opened so far (last summer and early December), I've heard a lot of people complain that hundreds of people can swarm on top of each other in Penneys and I can't visit my family so at that stage just ignore the no households rule anyway.


  • Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    There’s lots of evidence. Research the effectivenes of the vaccines. The news gets better everyday. HCW that were vaccinated are no longer getting sick, RTE had a headline about it yesterday.

    The vaccines are extremely effective, I agree. But there's no evidence that the restrictions will be fully lifted. Maybe it was inaccurate to say 'won't be lifted'. The fact that there's no level 0 in that plan points to them never being fully lifted. As well as the talk of 'some normality' or 'a semblance of normality'. I don't know why people are willing to accept 'a semblance of normality'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,185 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    There’s lots of evidence. Research the effectivenes of the vaccines. The news gets better everyday. HCW that were vaccinated are no longer getting sick, RTE had a headline about it yesterday.

    Not against the new variants, hence they're working on boosters, my reading of it is the people getting vaccinated now will need top ups in the next few months. 3 shots of pfizer probably needed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    It's very difficult to get any figures for Ireland at the moment as they usually realeased once a year but it was stopped last Summer.
    A study from Japan carried by the BBC.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55837160

    I'm not sure how statistically relevant that is. Male suicides in Japan haven't increased and overall suicides are comparable with 2018's figures.

    Is there an expectation that suicide figures should continually reduce towards zero? I know that's what every country should strive for, but I imagine that there is an eventual baseline where it is very difficult to get below those figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,617 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I’m fairly confident restrictions will be gone by next winter, no argument really. The thread is going around in circles with large posts of endless waffling.


    It depends what you mean by a restriction. You may need a vaccine cert to travel or be allowed visit an old people's home. They may well still require businesses to have sanitiser available. You may well be told to stay at home if you are sick. You may be actually tested for what you have if you are sick.

    But this kind of thing is reasonable and won't much impact life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Not against the new variants, hence they're working on boosters, my reading of it is the people getting vaccinated now will need top ups in the next few months. 3 shots of pfizer probably needed.


    Oh the variants ( cue the x files music) the vaccines work against all variants preventing hospitalization and deaths. No harm being cautious by improving vaccines. It’s like everything else really.

    From my reading and research this virus can’t mutate much more or it will become unstable and lose functionality so the vaccines will stay ahead of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    It depends what you mean by a restriction. You may need a vaccine cert to travel or be allowed visit an old people's home. They may well still require businesses to have sanitiser available. You may well be told to stay at home if you are sick. You may be actually tested for what you have if you are sick.

    But this kind of thing is reasonable and won't much impact life.

    I have no problem with certs for travelling etc if it means i can travel again. I’ll be taking the jab so it’s not a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    The vaccines are extremely effective, I agree. But there's no evidence that the restrictions will be fully lifted. Maybe it was inaccurate to say 'won't be lifted'. The fact that there's no level 0 in that plan points to them never being fully lifted. As well as the talk of 'some normality' or 'a semblance of normality'. I don't know why people are willing to accept 'a semblance of normality'.


    There’s no evidence to suggest that they won’t be lifted either. I do have to laugh at people who think nephet are controlling the government. It only seems that way. There’s a good reason we went into lockdown. Do you think 2000 people in hospital and 200 plus people in icu’s and rising was sustainable? We would have been in lockdown if nephet didn’t exist.


    Come end of the year with hardly anyone getting sick or hospitalised and if nephet come winter keep saying stay in lockdown do you honestly think Varadkar and MM will keep everywhere shut?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭seansouth36


    You were doing so well until your mental health nonsense was posted.

    Under the age of 45, the death rate per 100k of the population is three times higher for suicides than covid. To dismiss mental health makes you seem kinda scummy.

    You can't claim to care about public health when it suits your needs (mental health serious - open up now) but ignore public health when it doesn't (lockdowns are bad, open up now). I hate lockdowns and can't wait until things get back to normal, but I won't pretend that they don't work. And again, Covid is contagious; suicides, car crashes, cancer, is not. Exponential growth is a real thing - if we just "open up", guess what happens? The cases shoot up, the health service is overwhelmed and that effects everyone. Too many posters engaging in magical thinking here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭seansouth36


    The vaccines are extremely effective, I agree. But there's no evidence that the restrictions will be fully lifted. Maybe it was inaccurate to say 'won't be lifted'. The fact that there's no level 0 in that plan points to them never being fully lifted. As well as the talk of 'some normality' or 'a semblance of normality'. I don't know why people are willing to accept 'a semblance of normality'.

    You also thought that no other countries kept their citizens within 5km from their homes. Of course the restrictions will be fully lifted at some stage. There has never been a pandemic in history after which restrictions weren't lifted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    I hope you're right, but I just don't see any evidence of them being lifted. The fact that there's no level 0 in the "living with covid" plan is extremely worrying.

    Its not worrying at all. The restrictions are for dealing with the actual pandemic. Once infection rates don't result in significant case numbers and / or are well below normal ICU capacity - then there's no need for any plan '0' or otherwise.

    Possibly if there's a resurgence at some point then may be revisted. Put at this stage that's in the realms of speculation.

    Its like its some big conspiracy or something. And despite that been pushed continuously -thats remains firmly Tinfoil hat territory tbh


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Chawosfski wrote: »
    They'd need to disband Nphet by that stage

    A greater chance of Elvis being found alive and well than of that happening. NPHET will be here for a long time to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I never said anything about June/July. The vaccine roll out will gather pace in the next month or so, we’ll be in a better place by October and there won’t be packed ICU’s in October full stop. That’s 8 months ahead. A lot is going to happen between now and then regarding vaccines.

    Yes, you are right, you never mentioned June/july, but you implicitly gave a time frame when you said that no ICU's will be packed in October, that is that most of people will receive the vaccine at least a couple of months before that.
    There's this thing that the vaccine supply and roll out will ramp up, eventually. This was being said in January as well, but about two months later we're still waiting them to ramp up, so probably we should face the fact that they won't, at least not this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    I hope people realise that Nphet only exists at the discretion of the M of H. Once the crisis is deemed over they will be disbanded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Yes, you are right, you never mentioned June/july, but you implicitly gave a time frame when you said that no ICU's will be packed in October, .

    Yep, and i’ll say it again and stand by it. ICU’s won’t be packed with Covid 19 in October.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Yes, you are right, you never mentioned June/july, but you implicitly gave a time frame when you said that no ICU's will be packed in October, that is that most of people will receive the vaccine at least a couple of months before that.
    There's this thing that the vaccine supply and roll out will ramp up, eventually. This was being said in January as well, but about two months later we're still waiting them to ramp up, so probably we should face the fact that they won't, at least not this year.

    There is two more vaccines currently under evaluation by the EMA one is certain to be approved.Your pessimism tbh is misplaced .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    The vaccines work. Do you honestly think by the end of the year people will social distance from each other?

    I think they will, because though you are sure everybody will be vaccinated, and I could agree it could even happen, people will retain a good amount of suspicion and caution towards who's next to them, because for two years we've been taught to act this way, and we won't forget this bit of advice overnight. I'm pretty sure most people will prefer to stay three steps back from the others. Just in case. Who knows, the other person next to you might be carrier of a new virus not yet discovered.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    I think they will, because though you are sure everybody will be vaccinated, and I could agree it could even happen, people will retain a good amount of suspicion and caution towards who's next to them

    Human instinct and the desire for social interaction by the majority contradicts you. There will be a few who will still jump back everytime someone is less than 1000mm away but they will most certainly be in the minority.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    There has never been a pandemic in history after which restrictions weren't lifted.

    Last pandemics never had such an amount and level of restrictions applied either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Last pandemics never had such an amount and level of restrictions applied either.

    They hadn't Social Media driven fear either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I think they will, because though you are sure everybody will be vaccinated, and I could agree it could even happen, people will retain a good amount of suspicion and caution towards who's next to them, because for two years we've been taught to act this way, and we won't forget this bit of advice overnight. I'm pretty sure most people will prefer to stay three steps back from the others. Just in case. Who knows, the other person next to you might be carrier of a new virus not yet discovered.

    The amount of delusion in this post is hilarious.:pac: i tell you one thing if i was single and most of us are vaccinated by the autumn including my self i’d be riding all around me. SD me arse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    There is two more vaccines currently under evaluation by the EMA one is certain to be approved.Your pessimism tbh is misplaced .

    Two vaccines under evaluation don't mean they will certainly be approved, and if they are, we could easily end up like the other previously approved vaccines, with cut or delayed supplies, so this exponential ramp up isn't going to happen, in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    They hadn't Social Media driven fear either.

    This, definitely, and TV!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Two vaccines under evaluation don't mean they will certainly be approved, and if they are, we could easily end up like the other previously approved vaccines, with cut or delayed supplies, so this exponential ramp up isn't going to happen, in my opinion.

    The J and J vaccine has been approved for use in America already. It will be approved here by the end of the month. Single dose normal refrigeration .
    Spuknik is being evaluated as I said I don't understand your desire to be so pessimistic but if it makes you happy who am I to try to dissuade you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    The amount of delusion in this post is hilarious.:pac: i tell you one thing if i was single and most of us are vaccinated by the autumn including my self i’d be riding all around me. SD me arse.

    While wearing a mask?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Irish Stones


    The J and J vaccine has been approved for use in America already. It will be approved here by the end of the month. Single dose normal refrigeration .
    Spuknik is being evaluated as I said I don't understand your desire to be so pessimistic but if it makes you happy who am I to try to dissuade you.

    I'm not pessimistic, I'm rather realistic.
    Last year, exactly one year ago, I was told that this emergency would have lasted a few weeks, or a few months, and everything would have been fine before summer. I was saying the opposite, and here we are.
    Same for a few more predictions.
    Hopefully I'm wrong this time, but I have a bit of history :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I'm not pessimistic, I'm rather realistic.
    Last year, exactly one year ago, I was told that this emergency would have lasted a few weeks, or a few months, and everything would have been fine before summer. I was saying the opposite, and here we are.
    Same for a few more predictions.
    Hopefully I'm wrong this time, but I have a bit of history :D

    You can’t compare last year to this year. We had no vaccines last year ( btw some said there would never be a vaccine or it woild take years but here we are)

    The vaccines are proven to work so the outlook is totally different to last year’s comparison.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    While wearing a mask?

    Hmmm it could add to the kinkiness to it :pac:


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