What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

Sam Russell · 03-03-2021 02:41PM

McGiver wrote: »

What and why?

I posted a comment meant for another thread and mistakenly put it on this one. It had nothing to do with this thread.

stefanovich · 03-03-2021 02:43PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

I posted a comment meant for another thread and mistakenly put it on this one. It had nothing to do with this thread.

I imagine you could have a lot of boards tabs open at once!

Sam Russell · 03-03-2021 02:49PM

stefanovich wrote: »

I imagine you could have a lot of boards tabs open at once!

I do. Unfortunately, it is easy to confuse them. This is not AZ related in anyway, so I will let it be.

Sharpyshoot · 04-03-2021 01:24AM

Is it possible to get a private vaccine?

04-03-2021 07:12AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Is it possible to get a private vaccine?

Only if you’re related to the King of Spain unfortunately.

brickster69 · 04-03-2021 01:21PM

Sweden Approves AZ for all ages.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/nyheter-och-press/nyhetsarkiv/2021/mars/astrazenecas-vaccin-rekommenderas-for-alla-over-18-ar/

34 days since they blocked it. Makes you wonder how many older people have died or got seriously ill as a consequence of these decisions

stefanovich · 04-03-2021 02:14PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Sweden Approves AZ for all ages.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/nyheter-och-press/nyhetsarkiv/2021/mars/astrazenecas-vaccin-rekommenderas-for-alla-over-18-ar/

34 days since they blocked it. Makes you wonder how many older people have died or got seriously ill as a consequence of these decisions

Maybe they spent 34 days scratching off the Union Jack.

Pete_Cavan · 04-03-2021 02:24PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Sweden Approves AZ for all ages.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/nyheter-och-press/nyhetsarkiv/2021/mars/astrazenecas-vaccin-rekommenderas-for-alla-over-18-ar/

34 days since they blocked it. Makes you wonder how many older people have died or got seriously ill as a consequence of these decisions

If only AZ had more trial data in their applications for approval.

Approval for all ages wouldn't have made much difference to vaccine roll out as the supplies from AZ have been so poor.

stefanovich · 04-03-2021 02:32PM

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/

This article concludes that the UK contract was a lot better than the EU one, hence why the UK are faring better with supply. So yes, some blame needs to be placed on the EU.

Meirleach · 04-03-2021 05:55PM

Quarter of a million more AZ doses there for Italy since they aren't letting them ship it to Australia. Small amount considering how many doses AZ apparently aren't able to supply but interesting none the less...

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0304/1200891-coronavirus-vaccine/

Tippbhoy1 · 04-03-2021 06:38PM

stefanovich wrote: »

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/

This article concludes that the UK contract was a lot better than the EU one, hence why the UK are faring better with supply. So yes, some blame needs to be placed on the EU.

This article concludes there was no tangible difference.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/europe/uk-astrazeneca-vaccine-contract-details-intl/index.html

It also confirms the eu signed a contract first, despite all the lies for months that AZ had agreed with the Uk first. Regardless of what a line in a contract says, to agree to prioritise one entity over the other and not flag this to the other entity is not the way to do business. Shipping vaccine out of the EU before advising of supply issues is downright misleading. The fact that AZ are defacto controlled by the UK just shows that this is nationalisation of a vaccine. I don’t really have a problem with it per se, but just come out and admit it and not hide behind lies, mistruths, and media manipulation.

brickster69 · 04-03-2021 06:44PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

If only AZ had more trial data in their applications for approval.

Approval for all ages wouldn't have made much difference to vaccine roll out as the supplies from AZ have been so poor.

EMA did approve for all ages as did the WHO. Certain states did not agree with that advice and did it's own thing. Totally up to them.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/no-one-in-government-has-appetite-to-push-back-against-holohan-1.4477368

04-03-2021 10:01PM

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

The fact that AZ are defacto controlled by the UK just shows that this is nationalisation of a vaccine. I don’t really have a problem with it per se, but just come out and admit it and not hide behind lies, mistruths, and media manipulation.

you can say this as many times as you like, it still doesn't make it a "Fact".

loughside · 04-03-2021 11:15PM

The EU stealing other peoples vaccines, breaking international law, ignoring contracts, and behaving like the tin pot dictatorship run by failed politicians it is. Good riddance we're (NI/UK) out and staying out.
Some day the parish council that is Ireland and the EU glove puppet that is Coveney et al will come to their senses and kick these clowns into touch.

04-03-2021 11:21PM

loughside wrote: »

The EU stealing other peoples vaccines, breaking international law, ignoring contracts, and behaving like the tin pot dictatorship run by failed politicians it is. Good riddance we're (NI/UK) out and staying out.
Some day the parish council that is Ireland and the EU glove puppet that is Coveney et al will come to their senses and kick these clowns into touch.

Says the man from the unwanted rump that is Northern Ireland.

04-03-2021 11:24PM

loughside wrote: »

The EU stealing other peoples vaccines, breaking international law, ignoring contracts, and behaving like the tin pot dictatorship run by failed politicians it is. Good riddance we're (NI/UK) out and staying out.
Some day the parish council that is Ireland and the EU glove puppet that is Coveney et al will come to their senses and kick these clowns into touch.

"Dry your eyes mate
I know it's hard to take, but her mind has been made up
There's plenty more fish in the sea
Dry your eyes mate
I know you want to make her see how much this pain hurts
But you've got to walk away now, it's over
So then I move my hand up and down by my side
It's shaking; my life is crashing before my eyes
..."

brickster69 · 04-03-2021 11:25PM

Despite Australia ordering before the EU, Italy blocks the export because they feel Australia is not considered a " vulnerable nation "

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/04/europe/italy-astrazeneca-doses-australia-intl/index.html

astrofool · 04-03-2021 11:32PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Despite Australia ordering before the EU, Italy blocks the export because they feel Australia is not considered a " vulnerable nation "

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/04/europe/italy-astrazeneca-doses-australia-intl/index.html

I'm sure the UK will be benevolent and decide to share some of their ringfenced AZ vaccine with them in the next few days :pac: (i.e. before they have surplus)

Tippbhoy1 · 04-03-2021 11:32PM

loughside wrote: »

The EU stealing other peoples vaccines, breaking international law, ignoring contracts, and behaving like the tin pot dictatorship run by failed politicians it is. Good riddance we're (NI/UK) out and staying out.
Some day the parish council that is Ireland and the EU glove puppet that is Coveney et al will come to their senses and kick these clowns into touch.

Excellent analysis of the situation. Several soundbytes, a few insults, a few lies, all covered in a layer of hypocrisy. Followed by telling everyone how happy you are :-) ignorance is bliss as they say

loughside · 04-03-2021 11:38PM

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

ignorance is bliss as they say

The Stockholm Syndrome is bliss as they say....;)

Invoke article 16 without any consultation with the interested parties,
break contract law whenever it suits
attempt a land grab in northern Ireland, despite the fragility of the Good Friday Agreement.
Still they play with people's lives. in order to impose their vasselage

Our departure came just in time

04-03-2021 11:40PM

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Excellent analysis of the situation. Several soundbytes, a few insults, a few lies, all covered in a layer of hypocrisy. Followed by telling everyone how happy you are :-) ignorance is bliss as they say

Sssshh, can't you see he is hurting and in emotional turmoil. Of course he will lash out.

brickster69 · 04-03-2021 11:44PM

astrofool wrote: »

I'm sure the UK will be benevolent and decide to share some of their ringfenced AZ vaccine with them in the next few days :pac: (i.e. before they have surplus)

Why are you bringing the UK into it ? It is a commercial agreement between AZ and Australia.

Tippbhoy1 · 04-03-2021 11:57PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Despite Australia ordering before the EU, Italy blocks the export because they feel Australia is not considered a " vulnerable nation "

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/04/europe/italy-astrazeneca-doses-australia-intl/index.html

Do you believe this?

astrofool · 05-03-2021 12:24AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Why are you bringing the UK into it ? It is a commercial agreement between AZ and Australia.

Being effected by the UK hoarding all of it's supplies (despite also getting lots of supplies from Europe), if the UK were treating everyone as nicely as the EU was then this would never have happened. But of course the UK death rate was so high due to their messed up pandemic response that they had to act selfish in this case. At the end of all this, those deaths will weigh heavily on Boris.

Strazdas · 05-03-2021 12:27AM

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Do you believe this?

I don't anyway. Australia has only given 50,000 doses so far to a population of 20 million : that doesn't sound like a country which was ordering vaccines left, right and centre.

brickster69 · 05-03-2021 12:34AM

astrofool wrote: »

Being effected by the UK hoarding all of it's supplies (despite also getting lots of supplies from Europe), if the UK were treating everyone as nicely as the EU was then this would never have happened. But of course the UK death rate was so high due to their messed up pandemic response that they had to act selfish in this case. At the end of all this, those deaths will weigh heavily on Boris.

Why are you going on about the UK all the time and what are they hoarding ?

astrofool · 05-03-2021 01:27AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Why are you going on about the UK all the time and what are they hoarding ?

The issues with AZ vaccine supply in Europe are a combination of failure on AZ part to manufacture the quantities they signed agreements for in addition to diverting supplies to the UK and not supplying other countries from UK manufacturing sites, in any story about mess ups in AZ vaccine supply for and from Europe, the UK will be implicated.

Do you think the UK should show solidarity with Australia by immediately sending them 250k of its own supplies? That would solve the issue quickly enough, but it won't happen.

In Ireland we're very lucky that France, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium et al are all working together to get the entire EU vaccinated, rather than hoarding the supplies to themselves, and even allowing non EU countries such as UK, Switzerland and Israel to have access to EU produced supply. Without that chain, we'd probably still be waiting for our first doses.

It's also telling that the EU has been reducing the estimates for how much AZ will supply as they can't even keep up with the much reduced supply they promised, as we're seeing play out this week with a miss of 25,000 vaccines.

Hopefully the US trials will go some way to restoring their reputation and won't have missing datasets again.

opinionated3 · 05-03-2021 06:59AM

loughside wrote: »

The Stockholm Syndrome is bliss as they say....;)

Invoke article 16 without any consultation with the interested parties,
break contract law whenever it suits
attempt a land grab in northern Ireland, despite the fragility of the Good Friday Agreement.
Still they play with people's lives. in order to impose their vasselage

Our departure came just in time

Sammy Wilson, is that you?

stefanovich · 05-03-2021 08:09AM

astrofool wrote: »

The issues with AZ vaccine supply in Europe are a combination of failure on AZ part to manufacture the quantities they signed agreements for in addition to diverting supplies to the UK and not supplying other countries from UK manufacturing sites, in any story about mess ups in AZ vaccine supply for and from Europe, the UK will be implicated.

That's no proof of the UK hoarding. Just proof that AZ are prioritising the UK. Likely due to them having a tougher contract with AZ and AZ just wanting to avoid litigation.

Kermit.de.frog · 05-03-2021 08:21AM

loughside wrote: »

The EU stealing other peoples vaccines. Good riddance we're (NI/UK) out and staying out.

How are they stealing vaccines? They are protecting their own supply that they purchased from being sent abroad.

NI is in the SM btw so

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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